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Twiddling the knobs (evolution wrong: biological change more like turning knobs on complex machine)
Creation Magazine ^ | Don Batten, Ph.D.

Posted on 10/19/2009 9:39:38 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Complex machines often have lots of knobs provided for adjustment: think of a jumbo jet, a television set or a DVD player. With a radio set you can twiddle the knobs to tune a different station or increase the volume or adjust the tone. But you can twiddle the controls on your radio as much as you like, it won’t change into a TV set.

The natural changes we see in living things are like twiddling the knobs on a complex machine: they can fine-tune the settings, but cannot create something completely new. For example, an enzyme in a bacterium might be optimized to work at a given temperature. If the bacterium finds itself in a slightly hotter environment, mutations can optimize the enzyme to work at the different temperature and natural selection would favour the new version. This is mere fine-tuning of existing abilities; twiddling the knobs.

With antibiotic resistance, a mutation can result in...

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1 posted on 10/19/2009 9:39:38 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/19/2009 9:41:00 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Another installment from Constipation Magazine...


3 posted on 10/19/2009 9:46:18 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
But you can twiddle the controls on your radio as much as you like, it won’t change into a TV set.

It won't produce another radio, either.

4 posted on 10/19/2009 9:46:57 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Had a grad student submitted that to me I would have graded it an “F”. Not based upon the positions taken, but upon the complete lack of substantiation for the positions taken.
5 posted on 10/19/2009 9:47:42 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Like just about everything GGG posts.


7 posted on 10/19/2009 9:54:38 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Natural Law

Now that you have submitted your comments to us, we grade your comments “F” for lack of substantiation on your position taken.


8 posted on 10/19/2009 9:57:54 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


9 posted on 10/19/2009 10:01:32 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Izzy Dunne

And? No analogy is perfect, but the point is very apt.


10 posted on 10/19/2009 10:03:29 AM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: GodGunsGuts

Q: How is a raven like a writing desk?
A: Poe wrote on both.


11 posted on 10/19/2009 10:06:48 AM PDT by tumblindice (Good, bad--I'm the guy with the gun.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
It won't produce another radio, either.

A Bridgeport milling machine, OTOH, has been oft described as "The machine that can make itself."

12 posted on 10/19/2009 10:07:33 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: OldGuard1

And the old joke about a Woman, a Radio, and finely adjusted knobs.


13 posted on 10/19/2009 10:08:38 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: tacticalogic
A Bridgeport milling machine, OTOH, has been oft described as "The machine that can make itself."

At least that has some (ahem) bearing (ahem) on this situation. It won't produce another radio, either, I bet.

14 posted on 10/19/2009 10:16:51 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: DoctorMichael; Wacka; Ira_Louvin; Buck W.; humblegunner

...hurl.


15 posted on 10/19/2009 10:20:50 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Izzy Dunne

At least you collet (ahem) as you see ‘um.


16 posted on 10/19/2009 10:22:17 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Twiddling the knobs

Twaddle for boobs would have been a better title.

17 posted on 10/19/2009 10:28:51 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

==Twaddle for boobs would have been a better title.

I can see how you would be attracted to such a title d:op


18 posted on 10/19/2009 10:32:43 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
It takes an engineer to realize the truth of intelligent design.

Biologists are typically too heavily invested in the Darwinian paradigm to comprehend the truth about the cell and it's origins.

click on image.


19 posted on 10/19/2009 10:33:10 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
It takes an engineer to realize the truth of intelligent design. Biologists are typically too heavily invested in the Darwinian paradigm to comprehend the truth about the cell and it's origins.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

20 posted on 10/19/2009 10:41:00 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dutchboy88
"Now that you have submitted your comments to us, we grade your comments “F” for lack of substantiation on your position taken."

Your lack of understanding of the academic grading process certainly makes the positions you take more understandable.

21 posted on 10/19/2009 10:55:13 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

And those positions would be...?


22 posted on 10/19/2009 11:00:37 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Thanks for this link. Do you know if there is a explanatory text on-line, complementary to the video, that describes the various processes in the animation? Fascinating.


23 posted on 10/19/2009 11:00:38 AM PDT by Mudtiger
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To: GodGunsGuts

I think he used the word “design” enough times, complete with emphasis so even the most duped wouldn’t miss it....and some cute imagery. That’s right “Dr.”....a TV is not a radio, nor does a TV or radio have a mutation rate.

Grade: B-


24 posted on 10/19/2009 11:10:07 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with vegetarian T. rex within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Dutchboy88
"And those positions would be...?

Do your own homework...

25 posted on 10/19/2009 11:19:33 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Well, as we always say out here in the real world...

Those that can, do
Those that can’t, teach

That certainly is a position you are welcome to quote.


26 posted on 10/19/2009 11:23:44 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Mudtiger
This DVD provides a good explanation.

What you saw is the cell reproducing other cells like in a miniature factory......DNA ...RNA...PROTEINS ...copying.... assembly instructions being transported to the proper location ...followed by assembly etc.

After viewing these two DVDs followed by Ben Stein's "Expelled" ..everyone but the most hidebound atheist will see the truth of ID.


27 posted on 10/19/2009 11:29:00 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

I recognize many of these processes. Great animation and accurate too. All the animation is based on electron microscopy and thousands of experiments on each of these processes. It’s all basic chemistry.


28 posted on 10/19/2009 11:53:04 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
It takes an engineer to realize the truth of intelligent design.

It takes a biologist to realize the truth of perpetual motion. Engineers are typically to heavily invested in the "friction" paradigm.

Really, why work hard at understanding anything? It just makes it harder to come up with new ideas.

29 posted on 10/19/2009 1:15:40 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

There is No proof of any ID in the video you linked to. As I said these animations are ALL based on mountains of data.

What I can recognize are blood flow, cell-cell interaction, maybe collagen structure, splicing of RNA, microtubule assembly, vesicles moving along microtubles (yes that is how the protein moves them),viral protein or RNA synthesis,RNA exiting the nucleus via nuclear pores, golgi apparatus. and at the end, a white blood cell leaving the bloodstream.

The structure and how they function of a lot of these proteins are knownand what is shown can be shown to be simple chemical reactions.


30 posted on 10/19/2009 2:35:30 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Are we to understand that you are FR’s one true real honest-to-goodness Intelligent Design adherent?

I’ve been asking for one for months now, but all I get are creationists.

I’m so excited to have “met” you.


31 posted on 10/19/2009 2:52:59 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; humblegunner

Good Lord. I would hope the man would be!!! (Although I think you meant dRop and not d:op.)


32 posted on 10/19/2009 4:47:15 PM PDT by Neets (Go Yankees!!!)
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To: Wacka
The structure and how they function of a lot of these proteins are knownand what is shown can be shown to be simple chemical reactions.

You're forgetting the necessary assembly instructions contained in DNA.

33 posted on 10/19/2009 8:31:10 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

More chemistry.


34 posted on 10/19/2009 10:41:36 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: Wacka
“More chemistry.”

The “Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire” on my bookshelf is also just mere basic, simple chemistry. Cellulose, inks, inorganic fillers, etc. Good explanation.

35 posted on 10/20/2009 6:31:46 AM PDT by Mudtiger
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To: Mudtiger

Yes it is chemistre. Each little ball or bump represents an atom. When you come down to it life is unique chemistry. Or on a more basic level, physics.


36 posted on 10/20/2009 6:44:12 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Wacka

I apologize. I intended my previous post to be a bit of sarcasm. The book on my shelf is not just chemistry — it is filled with information that basic chemistry and physics cannot explain.


37 posted on 10/20/2009 8:48:27 AM PDT by Mudtiger
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