Posted on 10/18/2009 2:59:20 PM PDT by FromLori
Kyoto went down 95–0.
It doesn't matter if all 100 Senators ratify a treaty - if it pretends to impair or dilute the sovereignty of the People of the United States, it is not worth the paper it's written on.
The government at Washington is not an equal partner to the sovereign governments of Europe. THOSE governments have plenary power to act, overriding the wishes of their subjects if necessary.
The government erected by the 1788 Constitution, as amended, has no such power.
Due to take place in December;
From a thread yesterday.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2364330/posts
Officers don't swear to obey the POTUS as enlisted do.
Does that affect your argument? I don't see how ceding sovereignty could be Constitutional.
Blue helmets make good targets, specially if they are foreign UN forces.
“The likes of MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, etc. will be rewarded by having their names changed to UN media 1,2,3 and so on. The reports of these stations are going to wake up too late and wonder what the hell happened.”
Wake up too late? They already know whats happening and are in full support of a dictatorship.
And you don’t think that he can bribe/beg/suborn/seduce/con seven Republican senators? Starting with Snowe, Collins, McCain, and Gregg, he only needs three more.
Do you *really* think he can’t get three?
Doesn’t matter. I was simply responding to your statement about needing 60 votes to ratify a treaty. IF (and I haven’t read this thing so it’s a big ‘if’) this treaty cedes US sovereignty to a world government, it’s worthless. Jim Noble is right in his post #22.
Thats funny and SCARY at the same time.
My point was that he already has 60, getting some RINO turncoats would be easy.
The fact that the treaty violates the Constitution wouldn’t stop them from enforcing it and victimizing US citizens.
Well, it isn't, but officers are trained (and, I think, predisposed) to obey duly constituted authority.
Let's start with Article VI, second paragraph: "...all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
Now, you and I no doubt agree that Reid v. Covert governs, and that the Constitution doesn't really MEAN what it appears to say.
But, if the C-in-C says something, and the Supreme Court rules 6-3 that he's right, not all officers will disobey - nor should they.
Wrong! Living here in a dense population of current and former military officers...the many I've had contact with over the years believe that they are trained and SWORN to uphold an defend the Constitution of the United States FIRST....and obey constitutional authority SECOND....
This sophistry which is falsely used to claim the supremacy of treaties to the US Constitution is the brainchild of John Foster Dulles. It was formulated as a deliberate technique to undermine American sovereignty.
It relies on the readers' ignorance of the fact that the Framers were precise in their use of language, and when they were referring to the US Constitution they said this Constitution, whereas the term the Constitution referred to the Constitutions of the various states.
If you parse the sentence correctly it is A(X or Y)=AX or AY. (Anything in)((the Constitution of any State) or (the Laws of any State)) = Anything in the Constitution of any State or Anything in the Laws of any State.
If they had meant to say that treaties were supreme to the US Constitution they would have used the same formulation "this Consitution" as they did throughout the rest of the document.
You are correct, unfortunately, as to the real life scenario. Whatever the Court says, no matter how wrong, will probably be followed by most.
I am banking that the military will not back King Obama. These boys and gals are volunteers to save America. I don't feel that they will fire on their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, etc. If I was in the military and an order was given to me to kill my mothers, the person giving the order would soon be in a body bag.
I'm sure that's right - but a crisis is almost upon us wherein reasonable officers are going to arrive at different conclusions about what that means.
“If this doesn’t get people worked up, nothing will.”
For sure!
But first people need to hear about it. Write a letter to the editor or call a talk show.
Thanks for the explanation.
I see now why it is so hard to ratify a treaty. Since it can have such fundamental effects it should be hard.
Too bad the conditions at the federal level are so unfavorable for an effective patriotic scrutiny of anything.
This post is probably even racist.
Let Glenn Beck know about it!!!
“Let Glenn Beck know about it!!! “
Good idea, but let others know as well, so Glenn Beck doesn’t stand alone and doesn’t come off as a conspiracy host.
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