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Artist admits using key AP photo for 'HOPE' poster
San Diego Union-Tribune (AP) ^ | October 17, 2009 | HILLEL ITALIE

Posted on 10/17/2009 5:04:53 PM PDT by South40

NEW YORK — Shepard Fairey's claim that he had the right to use a news photo to create his famous Barack Obama "HOPE" poster became a widely watched court case about fair use that now appears to have nearly collapsed.

By Friday night, his attorneys – led by Anthony Falzone, executive director of the Fair Use Project at Stanford University – said they intend to withdraw from the case and said the artist had misled them by fabricating information and destroying other material.

Fairey himself admitted that he didn't use The Associated Press photo of Obama seated next to actor George Clooney he originally said his work was based on – which he claimed would have been covered under "fair use," the legal claim that copyrighted work can be used without having to pay for it.

Instead he used a picture the news organization has claimed was his source – a solo picture of the future president seemingly closer to the iconic red, white and blue image of Obama, underlined with the caption "HOPE." Fairey said that he tried to cover up his error by submitting false images and deleting others.

(Excerpt) Read more at 3.signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: art; bho44; copyright; shepardfairey

1 posted on 10/17/2009 5:04:53 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

Given that they have admitted to trying to commit a fraud on the court, the judge should strike their pleadings and grant judgment for the AP.


2 posted on 10/17/2009 5:07:15 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Who gets the $$$ from the sales?


3 posted on 10/17/2009 5:08:42 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: South40


4 posted on 10/17/2009 5:09:20 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Zero looking down his nose. Fitting for a liberal elistist, no?


5 posted on 10/17/2009 5:12:35 PM PDT by South40 (I did not know President Ronald Reagan, but he knew me.)
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To: South40

A left-wing propagandist who lies? I’m stuned.


6 posted on 10/17/2009 5:13:51 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians BS.)
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To: South40

Why would Fairey have had to use anyone else’s photo in the first place? It’s not like Obama was hard to find, or that Fairey didn’t have access to him. On the other hand, what’s so special about the AP photo? It looks exactly like 10 billion other pictures of His Heinous. He only has two expressions—grinning and looking serious. Fairey’s fatal error was lying about which photo he used. He should have just pleaded ignorance of copyright infringement.


7 posted on 10/17/2009 5:13:57 PM PDT by giotto
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To: South40

I wouldn’t expect anything less from an Obama-maniac ...


8 posted on 10/17/2009 5:14:27 PM PDT by fujimoh
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To: PAR35
The judge should send everyone involved in this to jail for a month for contempt of court. Certainly AP knows how to protect its copyrights from leftwingtards ~ these people are blood brothers and have no business using our courts.

I say reserve the judges' time for normal human beings.

9 posted on 10/17/2009 5:14:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: South40

Why on earth wouldn’t this be fair use???


10 posted on 10/17/2009 5:14:31 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 268 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
Why on earth wouldn’t this be fair use???

It was for commercial purposes. He was paid for it. And he sold it.

Fairey certainly wouldn't approve of others taking his artwork and using it on T-shirts they printed and sold.

Clearly NOT "fair use".

11 posted on 10/17/2009 5:19:25 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: South40

More a cream yellow than white.


12 posted on 10/17/2009 5:19:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: okie01

Looks like he has been pwned by AP.


13 posted on 10/17/2009 5:20:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: null and void
Why on earth wouldn’t this be fair use???

Probably because they were selling the posters and neither AP nor the photographer was getting anything.

14 posted on 10/17/2009 5:23:33 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: muawiyah

I see the merit of your position. It’s painful to have to cheer for AP. Like choosing between Stalin and Pol Pot.


15 posted on 10/17/2009 5:26:41 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Right Wing Assault

It is fair use - because the work was “transformational” - which is why the fraud was stupid, let alone unethical. The defendant was already using the fair use defense, and would have prevailed.


16 posted on 10/17/2009 5:29:52 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: PAR35; muawiyah

Granted, that was a kind of “if I were king” remark. The USA was not made for kings, however. Therefore, rats can sue rats. If we despise AP, we still have reason to cheer that a fair result was reached.


17 posted on 10/17/2009 5:31:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: Right Wing Assault; okie01

Aye, but it is clearly NOT the AP photo. It is a separate work of art inspired by the AP photo, but a work of art in its own right.

It bears less resemblance to the AP photo than a ‘Fake Book’ version of a popular song does to the original.


18 posted on 10/17/2009 5:33:00 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 268 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: BCrago66

I can’t just fill a song that’s under copyright with my own riffs in place of the originals and then sell it without compensating the owner claiming fair use because that was “transformational.”

The artist should have taken or commissioned his own photograph of Mr. Obama before firing up Photoshop on it.


19 posted on 10/17/2009 5:35:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: null and void

Would it be fair use if he just stuck it in a graphics program and clicked ‘posterize?’ Just asking. I don’t know.


20 posted on 10/17/2009 5:42:09 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: null and void; BCrago66

Art or not? Am I allowed to sell this if I can find someone stupid enough to buy it?

21 posted on 10/17/2009 5:51:07 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

The Eyes Have It!
...Busted!

22 posted on 10/17/2009 6:00:38 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: null and void

“inspired by”???


23 posted on 10/17/2009 6:04:25 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Would it be fair use if he just stuck it in a graphics program and clicked ‘posterize?’ Just asking. I don’t know.

I dunno either. I'm not a lawyer, although I play one (badly) on FR...

24 posted on 10/17/2009 6:05:59 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 268 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Gondring
“inspired by”???

inspired by.

25 posted on 10/17/2009 6:07:04 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 268 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Gondring

Not the same photo. The wide shot has only five stars above his head. The cropped one has three more.


26 posted on 10/17/2009 6:10:48 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP
Not the same photo. The wide shot has only five stars above his head. The cropped one has three more.

Because the same photographer took one at a higher angle.



27 posted on 10/17/2009 6:26:42 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: PAR35

Like choosing between Stalin and Pol Pot.


Yeah, but in a cage match when either Josef or Pol drew blood, we’d all cheer, right?


28 posted on 10/17/2009 6:48:46 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Why not "interpret" your tax returns like the Supreme Court "interprets" the Constitution?)
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To: null and void

Aye, but it is clearly NOT the AP photo. It is a separate work of art inspired by the AP photo, but a work of art in its own right.


It is not merely “inspired by”, it is a modified copy of the original. This is no-brainer well-established copyright law.

The AP lawyers aren’t stupid.

The artist apparently SCANNED (copied) the photo, and then began modifying it to create a derivative work.

You can’;t make a movie out of someone else’s novel, either.


29 posted on 10/17/2009 6:51:44 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Why not "interpret" your tax returns like the Supreme Court "interprets" the Constitution?)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Would it be fair use if he just stuck it in a graphics program and clicked ‘posterize?’ Just asking. I don’t know.


Absolutely NOT.


30 posted on 10/17/2009 6:52:55 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Why not "interpret" your tax returns like the Supreme Court "interprets" the Constitution?)
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To: South40
From LA Times blog:

I supported socialism and all I got was this lousy lawsuit.

-Useful Idiot, Shepard Fairey

Posted by: Phil | October 16, 2009 at 08:43 PM

31 posted on 10/17/2009 7:05:17 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: JohnnyP

That’s the point. As I wrote..”the eyes have it”...his eyes are different. The stars aren’t in the poster, so they couldn’t be used.


32 posted on 10/17/2009 7:23:13 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Falconspeed

lol


33 posted on 10/17/2009 7:24:30 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: South40

How appropriate. Everything else about this bastamous gentleman is bogus.


34 posted on 10/17/2009 7:52:59 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: Falconspeed

That is great.

A good comments section zinger is like a little slice of heaven. If you can get a good one in early so all the libs have to read it, you have truly done the Lord’s work.


35 posted on 10/17/2009 7:59:32 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: South40

36 posted on 10/17/2009 8:18:47 PM PDT by Bobalu (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Beelzebubba
The real question here is if anyone can take a copyrightable photograph of the President ~ which is exceedingly complex and goes way beyond the permissible use doctrine.

Think carefully ~ you take a street scene. There are a gazillion people there. You failed to get a release from all of the folks in the picture, or from any of them.

Does that picture have commercial value?

I'd like to see AP's release form they had signed by the President relinquishing whatever commercial rights he had to his own image before digging much deeper into this.

37 posted on 10/17/2009 9:06:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Those issues were decided long ago.


38 posted on 10/17/2009 10:04:03 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: South40

Can you say “derivative work”? I knew you could.

Interestingly, had one of us done it initially and put the “Socialism” tag on it, it probably would have been safe under satire or parody.


39 posted on 10/17/2009 10:42:36 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: South40
The only way to be certain that the guilty are punished is to hang everyone involved.

Can I get a "Hell, yeah!" on that one?

40 posted on 10/17/2009 10:56:02 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: muawiyah

The real question here is if anyone can take a copyrightable photograph of the President ~ which is exceedingly complex and goes way beyond the permissible use doctrine.


Uh, having an appearance does not constitute a work of authorship.

Quit while you’re WAY behind,


41 posted on 10/17/2009 10:58:34 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Why not "interpret" your tax returns like the Supreme Court "interprets" the Constitution?)
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To: Gondring

You haven’t looked at all the issues. Try, for example, using Obama’s picture in a commercial venture. Doesn’t matter who took it, there are some hurdles you have to get around that don’t apply when using anyone else’s picture (while he’s President).


42 posted on 10/18/2009 6:02:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Doesn’t matter who took it, there are some hurdles you have to get around that don’t apply when using anyone else’s picture (while he’s President).

Sorry, but these are not new issues in copyright (or, as an aside, defamation).

43 posted on 10/18/2009 10:21:26 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring
For a lesson in copyright law go back to the day after the last "W" inauguration. You will discover that on the front page the Washington Post claimed a copyright on "W"'s inaugural address.

Asserting a claim and having a right are two different things. No doubt a little judge shopping can set us all straight about whether or not Obama has to sign a release to anyone to use his photograph in commerce.

44 posted on 10/18/2009 4:58:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: okie01

Copying for commercial purposes does NOT prove that it was not fair use. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_v._Acuff-Rose_Music,_Inc.


45 posted on 10/21/2009 6:46:55 AM PDT by Sloth (For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the International Olympic Committee.)
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