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A new role for Turkey
Boston Globe ^ | 10/15/2009 | Stephen Kinzer

Posted on 10/16/2009 11:49:09 AM PDT by a_Turk

REACHING LAST weekend’s diplomatic breakthrough between Turkey and Armenia was not easy. It took six weeks of secret talks in Switzerland, seven last-minute phone calls from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to the two countries’ foreign ministers, and a wild ride in a Zurich police car, lights flashing and siren shrieking, for a Turkish diplomat carrying a revised draft of the accord.

This breakthrough could also be said to have taken 16 years, the length of time the Turkey-Armenia border has been shut, or 94 years, the time that has passed since Ottoman Turkish forces slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Armenians in what is now eastern Turkey.

In the end, pragmatism prevailed over emotion. Armenia is a poor, landlocked country that desperately needs an outlet to the world. Turkey is a booming regional power, but suffers from its refusal to acknowledge the massacres of 1915. With this accord, each side helps solve the other’s problem. The border is to be reopened and diplomatic relations restored, giving Armenia a chance to rejoin the world. Questions about what happened in 1915 - was it genocide? - will be submitted to historians for “impartial scientific examination.’’

The most bizarre aspect of this process was the effort by Armenians in France and the United States to derail it. Earlier this month in Paris, President Serge Sarkisian of Armenia was met by shouts of “Traitor!’’ and had to be protected by riot police. The potent Armenian-American lobby also rallied against the accord.

If President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran proposed that impartial historians examine the question of whether the Holocaust actually happened, most Jews would presumably accept happily. The failed rebellion by Armenians in the diaspora suggests that some are trapped by the past; their cousins back home, meanwhile, seek a better future.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: armenia; middleeast; nato; turkey
Stephen Kinzer is the author of “Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change From Hawaii to Iraq.’’
1 posted on 10/16/2009 11:49:10 AM PDT by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk

Turkey screwed us over in the Iraq War by not allowing transit of the 4th Infantry Division into Iraq from Turkey.. It is a good thing they were not allowed in the European Union.


2 posted on 10/16/2009 12:03:54 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: a_Turk
Long time no see...

Under other circumstances, Egypt, Pakistan, or Iran might have emerged to lead the Islamic world. Their societies, however, are weak, fragmented, and decomposing. Indonesia is a more promising candidate, but it has no historic tradition of leadership and is far from the center of Muslim crises. That leaves Turkey. It is trying to seize this role. Making peace with Armenia was an important step. More are likely to come soon.

Good piece.

3 posted on 10/16/2009 12:09:55 PM PDT by marron
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To: a_Turk
Turkey is a booming regional power

Regionally perhaps, but global-economically Turkey is circling the drain....and the very idea that Turkey could ever be a part of Europe is simply laughable. Geography aside, the cultural chasm will never be bridged. Even third and fourth generation Turks in Europe are overwhelmingly aliens and largely welfare-dependent. The few exceptions prove the rule.

4 posted on 10/16/2009 1:21:15 PM PDT by Moltke (DOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the Big House - HOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the White House.)
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To: a_Turk
The overriding fact is that outside of Turkey and Armenia, not one person in 100,000 gives a sh*t. Rightly or wrongly this "treaty" is a non-event for the world at large. It will mean little for Turkey, since her chances of joining the EU have long been cooked by jihadi extremists. Armenia appears to be the practical winner, and only Armenians can decide whether the price of selling out was too high.
5 posted on 10/16/2009 5:54:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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To: hinckley buzzard

>> not one person in 100,000 gives a sh*t.

The worlds got over 5 billion fools, I don’t care if they don’t care, and you’re just another one of them.


6 posted on 10/16/2009 9:29:22 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: Moltke
>> and the very idea that Turkey could ever be a part of Europe is simply laughable.

We don't really care, you know.

Here's the stock market in Turkey over the past three years:



Circling the drain alright...
7 posted on 10/16/2009 9:40:27 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: takbodan

>> It is a good thing they were not allowed in the European Union.

I agree. I can’t see gifting the place to the same bastards we threw out after WW1. The EU and her friends can kiss my ass.

>> Turkey screwed us over in the Iraq War

We’d rather be the pitcher than the catcher pal..


8 posted on 10/16/2009 9:48:28 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: marron

Hi.


9 posted on 10/16/2009 9:49:30 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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