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School Chief Sticks By 'Zero Tolerance' Ruling for Eagle Scout
FOXNEWS.com ^ | October 16, 2009 | Joseph Abrams

Posted on 10/16/2009 10:56:47 AM PDT by broken_arrow1

Call him Mr. Zero Tolerance.

The upstate New York school superintendent who suspended an Eagle Scout for 20 days for keeping a 2-inch utility knife locked in his car is unwilling to speak to the teen's family or bend in his ruling.

Lansingburgh Central School District Superintendent George J. Goodwin, 55, said in a written statement that his district "has an established policy of zero tolerance with respect to the possession of weapons of any kind on school property or in school buildings."

But nowhere in the school district's rule book, which is published online, is there any mention of a "zero tolerance" policy, leading some to question whether Goodwin, in fact, was compelled to suspend the youth.

Seventeen-year-old Matthew Whalen, a senior at Lansingburgh High School in Troy, N.Y., says he got in trouble over a survival kit he keeps in his car that includes a sleeping bag, water, a ready-to-eat meal and the small pocketknife, which was given to him by his grandfather, a police chief in a nearby town.

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Superintendent’s Office Lansingburgh Central Schools 576 5th Avenue, Troy, NY 12182 (518) 233-6850

Mr. George J. Goodwin Superintendent of Schools Lansingburgh Central School District 576 Fifth Avenue Troy, New York 12182

Lansingburgh High School 320 7th Avenue, Troy, NY 12182 (518) 233-6806

http://www.lansingburgh.org/

A Message from the Superintendent

On behalf of the Board of Education and the entire staff of the Lansingburgh Central School District, I invite you to share our growing sense of pride in the achievements of our schools. The education of our children is a most exciting challenge. Our entire educational program is designed to meet that challenge. The Lansingburgh Central School District offers a wide variety of services and programs in an always supportive environment.

Our school district is a relatively small one, therefore our students are given a sense of belonging often missing in larger districts. This publication, which describes our community facilities and programs, will provide you with an overview of our district and its relationship to the Lansingburgh community.

George J. Goodwin Superintendent

1 posted on 10/16/2009 10:56:48 AM PDT by broken_arrow1
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To: broken_arrow1

The 645,892nd reason to homeschool


2 posted on 10/16/2009 10:59:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: broken_arrow1

Government schools are evil.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 11:00:05 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: broken_arrow1

This superintendent needs to be arrested for having a deadly weapon in his car.

I’m sure he has a tire iron.

How’s THAT for zero tolerance, ya bastid?


4 posted on 10/16/2009 11:00:35 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Arrogance. They name is government employee.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 11:00:35 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: broken_arrow1

I think I’ll give the moron Mr. Goodwin a call


6 posted on 10/16/2009 11:00:52 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: broken_arrow1
I saw an article on FR about this earlier. Unfortunate that the superintendent hasn't allowed common sense to break out.

Also, unfortunate for the super, that the person who GAVE the kid this knife is his grandfather....and also is the local police chief.

I'm thinking that a few of these administrative idiots are going to learn what the term really means.

Nothing illegal, mind you. But "36 in a 35", and "you didn't come to a full stop" ....spring immediately to mind.

Not that I'm advocating abuse of police powers at all. Just specific enforcement to the letter of the law. That's all. "Zero Tolerance", as it were.

7 posted on 10/16/2009 11:02:20 AM PDT by wbill
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To: broken_arrow1

A great background for a dart board.

8 posted on 10/16/2009 11:03:12 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: broken_arrow1

What distinguishes an ordinary ‘tool’ from a weapon?

Perhaps the intent of the design and manufacture?

Or perhaps the fuzzy mind of a liberal superintendant?


9 posted on 10/16/2009 11:03:41 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: broken_arrow1

I’m holding out faith that there has to be more to this story. I pray that no one who has that much power is so grossly incompetent.

Dr. Supernintendo. Do the kids have scissors, sharpened pencils, access to flamable lab equipment, legs or arms as all of those can be dangerous. You must be a frickin MORON!


10 posted on 10/16/2009 11:04:25 AM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: MrB

THat is the first thing my husbad said when he heard about this case. “What about the jack handle in the trunk?”

This man is an embarrassment to public school teachers everywhere.


11 posted on 10/16/2009 11:05:00 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: broken_arrow1

Has it become a requirement in today’s America for all educational Superintendents to be a horse’s patoot?


12 posted on 10/16/2009 11:05:04 AM PDT by mort56 (He who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither. - Ben Franklin)
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To: mort56

Yes, and that is why George Will once said that the only hope for education is to destroy all the schools of education that create these monsters.


13 posted on 10/16/2009 11:06:18 AM PDT by Buchal ("Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The 645,892nd reason to homeschool

Yes, because the best way to counter over-reaching liberal educators is to cower in your home in fear.

Great plan!

Or, (and I'm just throwing this out there) you can hold these people accountable, which is how people with courage are reacting.

Stand and fight.
14 posted on 10/16/2009 11:06:19 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: MrB

That’s actually an excellent point. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance, right? Tire irons (or even a jack handle, which EVERY car typically has) are potentially deadly.


15 posted on 10/16/2009 11:06:57 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: wildbill

By their definition, pens and pencils are weapons. So are the utensils in the cafeteria, art room tools like scissors...

These policies are arbitrary and parents need to sue to have them struck down.


16 posted on 10/16/2009 11:07:39 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: broken_arrow1

Justice = Goodwin + feathers + tar + rail


17 posted on 10/16/2009 11:07:39 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: broken_arrow1

BTW, this Eagle Scout is the recipient of a heroism award from the BSA because he saved his aut’s life by administering CPR when she had a seizure.


18 posted on 10/16/2009 11:07:40 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: No_More_Harkin

Having been through a similar situation with one of my boys — I do not think there is anymore to this story than a arrogance on the part of the Superintendent.


19 posted on 10/16/2009 11:07:55 AM PDT by bvw
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To: mort56

LIL
I think you hit on it.
well a lib and a patoot

have we ever found out who this little 2” knife locked in a survival kit and locked in a trunk was found?


20 posted on 10/16/2009 11:08:13 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: ConservativeWarrior

“Cower”?

This is the only way to stop the evil indoctrination of our kids. The lunatics are running the asylum.


21 posted on 10/16/2009 11:09:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: pissant

Super-Socialist Super-tard George J. Goodwin doesn’t seem to be answering his phone these days. However, I got through on the listed High School phone number and filed a complaint.

My son is a Boy Scout, which is the great last bastion of good will and honor in the F-d up country!! I let them know that in no uncertain terms.

Burn down the phone lines!!


22 posted on 10/16/2009 11:09:05 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: broken_arrow1
Joel Myrick would disagree, I suspect. Only in a liberal fantasy world does a high school regulation stop would-be killers dead rehabilitated in their tracks, as opposed to the Second Amendment, which somehow only encourages violence. (rolls eyes)
23 posted on 10/16/2009 11:09:32 AM PDT by sthguard (Inter 0bama silent leges - in times of 0bama, the law falls silent.)
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To: broken_arrow1

BUMP


24 posted on 10/16/2009 11:10:06 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: BigBobber

A vehicle can also be used as a weapon.


25 posted on 10/16/2009 11:11:01 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: RWGinger

Apparently, the scout was asked if he was carrying any weapons on his person, and he replied no. Then they asked him if he had anything in his car, to which he honestly replied yes. ...so much for honesty.


26 posted on 10/16/2009 11:11:12 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I had a high school coach, that went through our underwear in our lockers, while we did laps, we had to wear jock straps, and if he found brown spots on anyone’s breifs...lack of personal higene, we had to go home. They need to check this guys underwear, I but he has a smudge...send him home, there ought to be something he has done that they could throw the book at him.


27 posted on 10/16/2009 11:11:50 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: broken_arrow1
The ruling from Goodwin has outraged Whalen's family, which said if district officials are unable to use their own judgment, their roles aren't necessary.

"I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for some intelligence on the part of administrators to use discretion and judgment in their daily decisions," said Bryan Whalen. "Otherwise, what are we paying them for?

"You could have a trained monkey or a computer sitting there just spitting out right and wrong and never any gray areas. That's just not the way the world works," he told Foxnews.com.

I would like to see the school super suspended without pay until an investigation into his competency can be completed.

Since the article included my exact sentiments, I need say no more.

28 posted on 10/16/2009 11:12:17 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: Hardastarboard

We need to find some cop willing to do this to a few school officials.

A tire iron is a deadly weapon. Yes, “it’s a tool”, but so is a pen knife. Heck, so is a RIFLE for that matter.

Zero tolerance is zero tolerance, bucky.


29 posted on 10/16/2009 11:13:22 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MrB

Great point. A tire iron is a far more dangerous weapon than a 2 inch pocket knife. So is a baseball bat. Heck, the car itself is a much deadlier weapon.


30 posted on 10/16/2009 11:13:41 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: broken_arrow1; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Mr. Goodwin is prime evidence that the possession of multiple degrees and lengthy education is NO indication of any brains or common sense.


31 posted on 10/16/2009 11:14:32 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

From Ace of Spades HQ

“Taking down an Eagle Scout, National Guardsman and potential West Point student, is winning the liberal educator trifecta.”


32 posted on 10/16/2009 11:15:16 AM PDT by Sparko (Barack Hussein Obama: Mmm, mmm, mmm... Peace Prize. Now no one is equal to Me in My Sight.)
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To: broken_arrow1
just a little bureaucrat with power. this is so typical to be almost laughable. He's the frustrated little clerk who has only the ability to say, "no".

Anyone with power can say "yes" but those with no power can only say no. I've seen it hundreds of times in all walks of life and so has every FReeper here.

He's the supply clerk who will not give you what you need because of a missing form or an incomplete signature or the absent stamp. All the while he has this little smirk showing you "who the boss is".

Think about it and look at this spineless little twit.... look at his face. He sees a boy that is an Eagle Scout and going (hopefully) to West Point. The young man can camp, hike, build things with his hands, shoot, climb and give first aid.

the superintendent of the school can cross his legs well, fill out paperwork, attend mindless meetings and chuckle about how "hard he works"... bwahahahahahahaha...

The young man is full of life and the old turd is jealous. Nothing anybody can say will change his mind, he's too wrapped up in his little fiefdom. The best thing to do is RIDICULE HIM!!!! Point the finger and just laugh at him...

The little self important twits of the world can handle verbal abuse, written abuse and the "slings and arrows" but they can't handle ridicule.

He's a superintendent of a public school.... wow... whoop dee doo!!!!! I hope he can find more of those locked up knives in kid's trunk... since I'm sure that this Eagle Scout was a gang banging thug....

33 posted on 10/16/2009 11:15:42 AM PDT by erman (Give a man a fire, warm him for one night. Set a man on fire, warm him for the rest of his life.)
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To: broken_arrow1
Shouldn't he fire the entire kitchen staff? (Including the tray lady with the 3 long chin hairs?)
34 posted on 10/16/2009 11:15:45 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Barack Obama - The wrong man, at the wrong time, for the wrong country.)
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To: BigBobber

Books can be an effective weapon.


35 posted on 10/16/2009 11:15:46 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

I also think it’s ridiculous that they confiscate pen knives when entering gov’t buildings, etc.

What about a 4th degree black belt?
You gonna take his pen knife so that everyone in the building is safer?
You gonna handcuff him and put him in leg irons to enter the building?


36 posted on 10/16/2009 11:17:06 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: broken_arrow1
George Goodwin.


37 posted on 10/16/2009 11:17:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: broken_arrow1
The Second amendment says arms, not guns. Why does a teen girl have a right to abort a child but a teen boy not have the right to a knife?
38 posted on 10/16/2009 11:17:19 AM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: broken_arrow1

wow
He is to be admired. The Super should be fired.
He is just being stubborn now since he was exposed as an Idiot


39 posted on 10/16/2009 11:17:53 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: broken_arrow1

“I have no weapons in my car” would be honest! The purpose determines what it is.


40 posted on 10/16/2009 11:18:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: Sparko

West Point has stated they are ignoring this.


41 posted on 10/16/2009 11:18:04 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Lazamataz

Even if he’s not a homo, that face has “punch me” written all over it...:)


42 posted on 10/16/2009 11:18:11 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: broken_arrow1

I still want to know who turned this kid in or how they found such a small knife locked up in his car.


43 posted on 10/16/2009 11:19:13 AM PDT by opticks
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To: wildbill
What distinguishes an ordinary ‘tool’ from a weapon?

Well, one is an object designed to inflict bodily harm and the other is Superintendent George J. Goodwin.
44 posted on 10/16/2009 11:19:13 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: broken_arrow1

This boy was targeted = he was specifically called in to the office and grilled re having a weapon/knife on him....and continued to ‘in your car?”

When shown that ‘lethal’ 2” pocket knife, ZAP!

I’m wondering if this jerk had it out for the Eagle Scout, whose dad is in the military and whose granddad is the police chief.

I smell more than pompous ignorance here -

Betcha the punks in Che T’s don’t get bothered


45 posted on 10/16/2009 11:19:17 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: broken_arrow1
I wish the damn press would just do their job! Hell, this kid and his father were on Fox News last night, and even Fox didn't get it right!

The one question that has not been answered, at least to my knowledge, is what started this whole thing? Why was this kid singled out and called into the principal’s office and questioned about weapons? What made them question him about his possession of a knife in the first place?

Who or what instigated this whole thing?

46 posted on 10/16/2009 11:19:21 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: erman

If he was a “gang banging thug”,
he’d be classified as an “at risk youth”,

and given a pass.


47 posted on 10/16/2009 11:19:52 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: 2111USMC

Some jealous, powerless little gay nerd, probably.


48 posted on 10/16/2009 11:20:15 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: broken_arrow1
Bryan Whalen said that hundreds of e-mails, calls and letters have been sent on his son's behalf to the school district urging a change in the policy, including one from his local scoutmaster that arrived the day of the suspension hearing. "The school district must be getting deluged with that," he said. "It's spreading like wildfire."

I am not sure who is the most stupid, The Superintendent, the School Board or the State Board of Education. This is lawsuit driven, so we must also include the Trial Lawyers. PURE INSANITY, maskerading as an education facility.

49 posted on 10/16/2009 11:20:30 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: MrB

No, he’s a homo.


50 posted on 10/16/2009 11:20:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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