Posted on 10/16/2009 6:23:35 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
A 10th person in Maryland has died of swine flu, state health officials said Tuesday. The person, an adult from Western Maryland, had underlying health problems. As with other deaths related to the H1N1 virus, officials would not release further details.
(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...
Nationwide, 81 children have died of the swine flu, according to figures released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Fellow Freepers, I can assure you that if this were happening during the George W. Bush administration, the stories of these deaths would not be mere side stories in newspapers.
We would see profiles of these children and their families on morning talk shows. CNN would be interviewing their parents.
The New York Times would ghoulishly report the latest hospitalization and death counts at the top of their banners, just like Abu Ghraib.
Obama's administration has been a massive FAIL on dealing with this flu epidemic, and it has cost the lives of almost 100 kids--and many adults, too.
And the media largely ignores this failure while helping prop up the notion that Obama has your best interest in mind regarding health care.
Get the shot...get the shot...it’s an emergency!!!
Weird....Zero’s kids did not get the shot... Hmmmmm
I don’t think this flu is any more dangerous than the regular flu, but if Bush were still President, or McCain were in office, every flu death would be laid at their doorstep. Not to mention the casualties in Afghanistan.
You know it. Remember during the ‘04 campaign when they actually blamed Bush’s admin. for the flu shot shortage?? Unreal.
Thank you.
You know it. Remeber the flu vaccine shortage a few years back? They blamed Bush for neglecting the elderly.
I don’t EXPECT them to do anything. I EXPECT BO and his pack of losers to be blamed for this just like Bush would be blamed for it.
Good God Almighty, REMEMBER THE MADCOW DISEASE CRAP??
The media milked it over and over and over...and the BIRD FLU, too...trying to link it to a non-caring Bush administration.
The numbers for H1N1 are far worse under BO, but no linkage.
Additionally, the Drive Bys could AT LEAST be saying, “The federal government has been unable to stop the deaths caused by H1N1, yet Obama wants to take over your health care...”
I know this is a bit of a fantasy, thinking the DBM ought to be objective—and that is the purpose of posting the story. :)
There is a shortage now. I’m not that worried, but my kid hasn’t had his flu shot (regular flu) yet because there is a shortage. I’m not getting him the H1N1 flu shot because it hasn’t been tested. I guess this is all Obama’s fault.
I don't know anyone who doesn't know someone who has H1N1 (granted, I don't know a ton of folks here). I know three folks personally who may currently have it, but since they are not swabbing to test, no actual confirmation, but symptoms are right.
They are also saying that if you have the flu right now, it is likely H1N1 as the regular flu hasn't shown up yet. Not sure about that, but it is reasonable.
A young child from a local gradeschool died a couple of weeks ago from H1N1. The child apparently was in good physical condition with no other contributing factors.
My daughter is a high school teacher in SC. It will cost her $18. to get a swab and determine what it is if she gets sick. I wonder if it is that way for everyone?
Do some reading- there have been reports getting the regular flu shot makes you more vulnerable to getting H1N1!
I’m holding off getting the season flu shot for me- but had already got them for the kids
Not sure, but I'd pay it. If nothing else, to ensure it gets recorded somewhere. Just to see how widespread and how fast-traveling this bug is.
They are admitting (not loudy) that the 14 yr old who collapsed in her Baltimore school and died in MD had no underlying health conditions-
hope they solve the mystery of what makes certain kids more vulnerable to disastrous side effects
It's getting to the point where I'm answering the T.V.; "Yeah, H1N1" when they say underlying health problems...
It’s obviously Bush’s fault. Everything else is. In NM, people are occasionally dying from bubonic plague. Are the H1N1 cases showing up on the reservations?
Since most of the deaths from swine flu also had underlying health problems, perhaps swine flu is the bambicare stealth method of reducing the number of unhealthy people.
So on one hand we have Freepers saying the story is being underreported as to not cause embarassment to Obama.
And others are saying swine flu is being overhyped as a means for Obama to declare martial law.
In other words, another typical day on the internet.
The Roswell Daily Record ran a article saying all flu in NM, right now, is H1N1.
I never get sick, if I do its 12 hours of sleep break the fever move on............this thing kicked my butt for 3 days and now 7 days later I am feeling better, my doc said, it is hitting people like me the hardest, good immune systems have the hardest time with it. Strange flu.
That's what happened near in 1918. The virus in 1918 was the Influenza A strain of sub-type H1N1.The healthier you were, the harder you were hit. Apparently, this strain causes the body to severly overreact. The official term is Cytokine Storm
Haven't heard for certain, but since they appear to not be actually reporting the number of cases, we may not know.
Like I said, in NM, they are saying if you have the flu, you have H1N1, as the regular seasonal flu isn't here yet.
Hah, I'll do ya one better.
I think the actual causes are being underreported to prevent panic right now (you know, cause the detention centers aren't ready yet). However, they want to hype it so folks are on edge. It's a thin line that only our betters, those in the media, know how to walk. Do I get my tin aluminum foil hat yet?
Several weeks ago they had to close a school in a small community near Farmington. Pretty sure that would have been reservation area.
Hadn't hear that report. Thanks.
This whole thing is a fizzle. No vaccine needed by me, thank you.
Actually, since the CDC (a political agenda driven organization of course) hit the “reset” button Sept. 1. So when they say “81” deaths, they mean since Sept 1, not since April when people started dying. THere have been at least 144 child deaths since April, and those are only the ones who are officially tested. Regular flu tests don’t catch swine flu at least 50% of the time, and if a regular flu test isn’t positive, most people are not tested further. Also, after taking Tamiflu, people test negative, even if they still die. THis has happened too.
The numbers of fatatities are way under reported.
Officially it’s least 1000 deaths altogether in the US, but that’s still undercouting due to test irregularities and of course they don’t wnat to test. And if the person had health problems, they like to pin the death on that instead of swine flu.
Nows they’re admitting that about half of the deaths were perfectly healthy with no underlyings. And some of these healthy teenagesr and kids die in 2 or 3 days from feeling sick. I’ve read of a few dying in one day.
This flu can cause multiple organ failure including heart attacks, blood clots in lungs, kidney failure, etc. It can have very strange symptoms.
>>They are admitting (not loudy) that the 14 yr old who collapsed in her Baltimore school and died in MD had no underlying health conditions-
hope they solve the mystery of what makes certain kids more vulnerable to disastrous side effects<<
Investigate Vitamin D3 and you’ll find some fascinating information. Not only is is likely to protect against flu, but low levels of vit D3 can also explain the cytokine storm phenomenon mentioned by a poster, as vit D3 helps control the inflammatory nature of the immune response.
Those of you, like myself, who comfort yourselves by saying that it’s not the flu, but the underlying medical condition, that is killing kids need to realize that most of those kids are probably deficient in vitamin D3 as well, given the nature of their conditions.
This is an easy, cheap measure that is highly likely to generate better health even if it isn’t protective against the flu. But regarding flu, I’ve read of 3 reports from physicians who noted that the large populations under their care, all of whom were getting daily doses of vitamin D3, were remarkably resistant to flu that other sub-populations around them were contracting at high rates. One doctor in a practice, for example, maintained her patients’ D3 levels while her partner didn’t bother. She was seeing no flu in her patients when her partner was seeing up to 10 cases a week. The level she was maintaining was 50-80 ng/ml, requiring 2000 to 5000 IU daily, depending on the individual.
I think this is a really big deal and anyone with kids, especially if the child is already compromised in some way, should investigate it.
The 36,000 fatalities a year is derived (quite recently, mind you) by statistical modelling. 95% of these deaths (whatever they are) are in people over 65. Most of the deaths from swine flu are in children, young people, and middle aged adults.
The pandemic is just starting.
You can say it’s no big thing when it’s over. It ain’t over yet.
There is practically no other flu this year other than swine flu.
Those who study it think there are various strains of it, some more severe and some not so severe. It’s still mutating and there are versions that are Tamiflu resistant. It’s just beginning.
One womans expeience with the flu shot: http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92345&catid=158
Video on right side.
2) The vaccine version will mutate
3) The non-vaccine version will mutate differently, leaving us with at least 2 totally different strains (neither of which is counteracted by the vaccine).
4) This government never encourages or forces the citizenry to do anything that is in their own best interest. The vaccine push has far more sinister connotations.
I’ve got my kids on 2000IU of VitD3 daily, I’m on 6000IU- we will go higher if anyone starts getting sick
DD school has no reports but other public schools all around us have very high flu rates
Once all the sheep H1N1 flu mist takers start shedding the virus all over the place, it will be everywhere.
Plus I’m on NAC, resveratrol and curcumin and occasional selenium booster. If pig flu comes to my house, I’m going down fighting..!
I will admit that I have been (obsessively) reading about pandemic flu for the last few years. I also (of course) do not trust the government to have the interest of us ordinary folks in mind.
I will never take any vaccine of any sort - I have allergies or extreme sensitivity to almost every pharaceutical drug I’ve ever had up to and including anaphylactic shock, luckily in a hospital setting, or I would not be sitting here typing.
But I am very, very concerned about this swine flu. If you want to read unvarnished and non-partisan news (people dig it out, actually many of the members on the forum are conservative, the forum policy is no politics), the best site is PFI.
http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=fe963e77f502fb2c50163d15b76a5284
The moderators are definitely pro-vaccine but the forum is divided. I don’t mind people who are pro-vaccine, but too many people I know have gotten very sick or very bad reactions from even regular flu vaccines.
RIP.
My kids are all getting a dose of cod liver oil each morning - line ‘em up and spoon it in. High in D3.
Think asthma as an underlying condition.
Is all vit D containg D3?
Someone else wrote: >>My kids are all getting a dose of cod liver oil each morning - line ‘em up and spoon it in. High in D3.<<
You asked: “Does all vit D contain D3?”
Regarding the cod liver oil, yes it’s high in vit D3, but it’s also got way too much vit A which Dr. Cannell at the VitaminDCouncil.org website claims works against the D3. He advocates taking D3 directly and getting Vitamin A from food sources instead. Just thought you’d want to know so you could check on it further.
As for Vitamin D containing D3, actually no. Prescription Vitamin D, as well as the vitamin D used to supplement milk is D2, which is the activated form of D3. As I understand it, many other body organs have receptors for D3 and need it for their purposes. This is where the cancer fighting, flu fighting, etc., goes on, so prescription vitamin D (D2) will not do the job. You want to be taking Vitamin D3, called cholecalciferol to get the benefits the vitamin D advocates are talking about.
People seem to respond differently to vit D3 supplements, so it’s best to get a baseline measurement and then check it again after supplementing for a few months. I check mine twice a year, at the end of the winter to see if I’ve been taking enough daily to maintain (I wasn’t, and increased it this winter) and at the end of the summer to see if I’m getting enough from sunshine to not need supplementing then (I dropped 10 points in spite of being outside a lot, so will now supplement modestly over next summer.)
Most people are not up in the recommended 50-80 ng/ml range and should take extra early on, then look for an appropriate maintenance dose. A good start for a maintenance dose is 1,000 IU per 30 pounds of body weight, according to the D3 advocates, so a 150 pound person should take 5,000 IU during the winter. This is well above the upper limit the Feds recommend (2,000 IU, I believe), so it’s best to do some research before jumping in. I’m taking 8,000 to 10,000 a day for a month or so now to get back up after inadvertently dropping over the summer. Then I’ll go to 5,000 daily and retest in March or April.
If it weren’t for price controls advocated by our current SoS, we might have enough H1N1 vaccine. Other than that, the government can stay out of it, as far as I’m concerned. It’s the flu. We’ll get through it like we get through all the other flus.
If you’re sick, stay home. If you have young children or elderly relatives, get the shot.
Maryland “Freak State” PING!
I have some concern about this, but my question has always been:
WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS H1N1 FLU?
No-one ever answered that. All we get is “Swine Flu is spreading!” and “we need vaccines!” Nothing explaining why this is worse than any other.
Finally last month a woman here on FR tried to answer me. She claimed to be a nurse or some sort. The gist I got was: H1N1 is highly contagious, but not really bad in itself. The danger becomes mutation with much more dangerous flus - such as Bird Flu - to produce a highly contagious AND powerful flu mutation. IOW, it MIGHT combine with slow Bird Flu to make a super flu.
Then, when my 18mo boy got sick the other week and I took him to his pediatrician, I asked about the H1N1 and told the doc how no-one answers that question. He said it’s mostly hype, and not really much different (i.e., fatal or otherwise devastating) than other flus. He did the general flu check for George, who was declared to have just some cold virus.
Does anyone have a list of the common “underlying problems”?
My wild guess is going to be asthma. A lot of the cases I’ve read about result in people dying from a secondary respiratory condition like pneumonia. So, it’s possible that some of the “healthy” people have undiagnosed asthma, allergies, or other conditions which predispose them to bad respiratory crap.
All it takes is a common cold for me to end up with bronchitis or pneumonia. After years of dealing this, my doctor diagnosed me with asthma and put me on a maintenance steroid and a rescue inhaler. No respiratory issues since. And I’m amazed at how much better I can breathe in general — I had no idea how bad it was until I found out how good it can be the asthma is under control(if that makes sense).
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