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Editor's note on Burwell's Rush Limbaugh column (Lame Stream Media lies, AGAIN!)
St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | 10/14/2009 | REID LAYMANCE

Posted on 10/15/2009 3:17:11 AM PDT by tobyhill

A quote in Bryan Burwell's column Oct. 7 attributed to Rush Limbaugh about the merits of slavery in the United States came from the 2006 book "101 People Who Are Really Screwing America" by John Huberman. The book does not provide specific details about the quote.

(Excerpt) Read more at m.stltoday.com ...


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KEYWORDS: msm; nfl; rush; slander
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1 posted on 10/15/2009 3:17:11 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

The origins of the quote is well know, it goes back to it being posted in 2005 by some blogger. No one ever heard those quotes before then. Then they were added to Wikipedia and then they were quoted in the book. Then they were picked up by MSNBC and now the MSM has widely reported them. Limbaugh never said any of these things.


2 posted on 10/15/2009 3:24:40 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
MSM = More Slanderous Malarkey
3 posted on 10/15/2009 3:25:48 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
If one repeats a slanderous quote proposing it as fact then they are as libel as the one that started the quote.
4 posted on 10/15/2009 3:28:31 AM PDT by tobyhill (The Communist has arrived)
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To: Always Right
Mr. Burwell belongs to the
“The National Association of Black Sports Professionals”
so some deficiencies in his examination of the facts to fit preconceived opinions are to be expected.
5 posted on 10/15/2009 3:31:08 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: tobyhill

Slavery was good for the decendents of the slaves. I just got back from Haiti. All American blacks whining and complaining about the USA should be forced to spend two weeks in Haiti on the streets of Cap Haitian. They would sing a different tune upon returning.


6 posted on 10/15/2009 3:33:11 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine

They should all be shipped there and left there. Bunch of ingrates.


7 posted on 10/15/2009 3:39:34 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: tobyhill

“If one repeats a slanderous quote proposing it as fact then they are as libel as the one that started the quote. “

I think Rush hinted that those repeating the lie might have
some explaining to do, as in court?


8 posted on 10/15/2009 3:40:14 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: rep-always

Right on. Ingrates. They worst off welfare recipient is living like a millionaire compared to the Blacks in Haiti and Africa. I have ZERO sympathy for their whining and complaining.


9 posted on 10/15/2009 3:42:15 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: AlexW
Actually, this MUST be resolved in court!

Not only will it produce some cash (Rush can do with it as he likes), but it will provide significant disincentive to those who might spread such lies in the future.

10 posted on 10/15/2009 3:43:06 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (For good judgment ask...What would Obama do? Then do the opposite!)
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To: screaminsunshine
—as Cassius Clay a/k/a Mohammed Ali stated-”I’m sure glad my ancestors got on that boat”-—
11 posted on 10/15/2009 3:44:11 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

He was right. The slaves in the south were even better off than most Africans and Haitians nowdays.


12 posted on 10/15/2009 3:46:22 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: tobyhill

Rush needs to sue every media source that put out these libelous “quotes.” He is in a good position to punish his enemies in court, and thus he could shut down the lying Leftist press. He shouldn’t just whine about it on the air.


13 posted on 10/15/2009 3:47:01 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: tobyhill

Rush has been slandered for a generation. But until now, he’s never really suffered damages because of it.

Now that he’s been denied a possibly lucrative business opportunity.

Looks like a lawsuit to me.


14 posted on 10/15/2009 4:04:44 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: I_Like_Spam
BOR said Rush is suing, he would too but like you said never had any real damages.
15 posted on 10/15/2009 4:06:51 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: tobyhill; All

“JAY-Z OFFICIALLY NETS CO-OWNER: Retiring rapper approved by NBA board.”
Posted on: August 13, 2004 08:49 PDT

http://www.hiphop-elements.com/article/read/4/6319/1/

“Michelle Malkin on Jay-Z’s and Young Jeezy’s inaugural rap”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p68XfbBmnM0

(My President is Black—with Megyn and Michelle M. interview)

“AboutContactArchivesRSSColumnsPhotos Michelle Malkin Feel the post-racialism: ‘My president is black, but his house is all white’”
By Michelle Malkin • January 19, 2009 11:29 PM
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/19/feel/

So, Jay-Z is a part owner of an NBA team and is on video spewing racist statements against Whites, but Rush is nowhere taped with anything but is disinvited to bid on a team. We all know ‘what up’ with 0bamaland and the White folk—or asians or hispanics, etc..


16 posted on 10/15/2009 4:08:30 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: screaminsunshine
I recall a black Washington Post columnist, circa 1975, who visited Africa expressing more or less the same sentiments.

The statement “Slavery made the South.” may be controversial and shocking to some, but it is completely factual. The observation “But at least the streets were safe at night.” is an odious nonsequitur and may well be contra-factual.

Without the pecular institution, the South today, the South of a hundred years ago or two hundred years ago, would have been a completely different place. This in not a value judgment about the South or slavery, just a fact.

17 posted on 10/15/2009 4:09:55 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The People have abdicated our duties; ... and anxiously hope for just two things: bread and circuses)
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To: rep-always

Plese don’t say things like that.


18 posted on 10/15/2009 4:14:46 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Right and the fact is that American Blacks are the best off in the world. Just travel and you can see the facts. I get so angry when I hear them whine and complain instead of cleaning up their act and getting to work. They do not deserve what they have here. They are disgusting.


19 posted on 10/15/2009 4:15:48 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine

Comments like yours don’t help the conservative cause.


20 posted on 10/15/2009 4:17:15 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: 1raider1

Have you been to any 3rd world cesspools lately. I am disgusted with the whining. Sorry.


21 posted on 10/15/2009 4:18:48 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine
They do not deserve what they have here.

Russian proverb: Saints cry for justice, the rest of us for mercy. We all drink from wells that other men have dug. We are the recipients of amazing fortune. Some of us are just a whole lot better at gratitude.

22 posted on 10/15/2009 4:20:35 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The People have abdicated our duties; ... and anxiously hope for just two things: bread and circuses)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Right. America has given Blacks an opportunity not available anywhere else on the Planet. What have they done with it? Complain, Whine, Etc. Now look they still want more. Hell I say get a job. I will not tolerate it anymore. Jobs Americans won’t do??? SCREW THAT!


23 posted on 10/15/2009 4:24:46 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine

You don’t need to apologize for telling the truth.


24 posted on 10/15/2009 4:34:16 AM PDT by RetSignman (Townhalls ..."We have seen the Patriots and they are us")
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To: RetSignman

TX. Truth never hurts a cause. The Conservatives know. They are terrorized by PC. No national politician will tell the truth about this Race B.S.


25 posted on 10/15/2009 4:37:37 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: scooby321
,b>"BOR said Rush is suing, he would too but like you said never had any real damages.

Among other things, the damages are to his reputation by holding him up to "hate, contempt and ridicule" in the public eye. What he will have to get past is a blockbuster case, N.Y. Times v. Sullivan, et al, that set the precedent for standards of proof of malice for public figures in defamation suits.

If I were him, it's a toss up................... but I'd go for it. Should he win, it would shut up and reign in the continually libelous press and make them think twice before uttering most of the lying crap they do.

26 posted on 10/15/2009 4:37:47 AM PDT by Old Badger (boy do opportunities abound everywhere for Real Conservatives!)
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To: screaminsunshine

Do you actually know any black people? They tend to be a lot like white folks. A lot of them are crybabies and whiners, most of them are level headed and honest.

For some reason the LSM has chosen to appoint the whingers and race hustlers as the unofficial spokespersons of the race. When Tawana Brawley appeared on the scene that rank opportunist, Al Sharpton, rode the event to undeserved prominence. A lot of black folks hadda be shaking their heads wondering what was going on.

One reason for the demonization of Rush, I supose, is that liberals instinctively realize that his sentiments are far more in line with the vast majority of American blacks than those of Professor Sparky Gates or Barak Hussein Obama.


27 posted on 10/15/2009 4:41:12 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The People have abdicated our duties; ... and anxiously hope for just two things: bread and circuses)
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To: screaminsunshine

Slavery was good for the decendents of the slaves.

&&&&&

Every American, no matter how their ancestors got here, should praise and thank their ancestors for getting here and surviving whatever hardships they had to endure!


28 posted on 10/15/2009 4:45:57 AM PDT by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The ones I know seem to think they are opressed. They have been taught that for years by the Communists. They are dead wrong. They are letting opportunity slip through their fingers. Obama will re-enslave them along with the rest of us if allowed. There is no excuse for the way they are acting. Look at their communities. Look at it. It is horrible. They better get to work quick. They think Obama money is going to save them and they think they deserve it which is even worse.


29 posted on 10/15/2009 4:47:12 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: AlexW

If one repeats a slanderous quote he is in danger if he does so maliciously. Limbaugh has given the slanderers the opportonunity to retract what they have written (libel) or said (slander). Those who do not will, ipso facto, prove themselves guilty of malice. Rush has quite a case, and if I were a CNN lawyer I would have a letter of apology in the mail, pronto.


30 posted on 10/15/2009 4:54:05 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“....The statement “Slavery made the South.”...”

Slavery created a lot of Old Money in Boston too, as well as, New York and other towns and cities in New England where the first slave markets were located.


31 posted on 10/15/2009 4:55:19 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: rep-always

That’s a disgraceful statement.


32 posted on 10/15/2009 4:55:55 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: screaminsunshine

Amen, You hit a home-run. We will all be enslaved. POTUS does not care about the plight of the poor, he wants to abort them out of existence. He is an elitist and a puppet of a diabolical socialist.


33 posted on 10/15/2009 4:56:20 AM PDT by Machavelli (True God)
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To: screaminsunshine
Third world cesspools or not, it's as ridiculous to state that slavery here or anywhere was a good thing for those who were enslaved. I'd rather eat bugs and wear grass clothes as a free man than live in luxury as a slave of another.
Some blacks were treated horribly by whites. Some were murdered by white “so called Christians” even into the 1960’s.
All of these things are despicable. Having said that, perhaps the worst slavery of all is occurring today to those that are ignorant enough to fall for the DemonRAT ploy to keep them on the plantation through their votes for welfare programs.
34 posted on 10/15/2009 4:56:37 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: Melchior

“CNN lawyer I would have a letter of apology in the mail, pronto.”

I would think that they would also have to have an on the air apology, and in the same time slot that the slander was committed.
I would love to see the little Marxist squirm.


35 posted on 10/15/2009 5:01:59 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Remember that Sharpton also slandered someone in that case, Steven Pagones, who was an Assistant DA in a NY county (Duchess, Putnam, Westchester?), by saying that he raped Tawana Brawley.


36 posted on 10/15/2009 5:07:06 AM PDT by JacksonCalhoun
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To: screaminsunshine

Untold numbers of slaves were bought and sold well over a thousand years before the white man ever set foot in the Americas. Blacks wers sold by their own people and later, the Muslims took over the slave trade.
They were shipped all over Africa, the Middle East, Turkey, Persia and Europe. These unfortunate souls were never heard from again.
In the early 18’oo’s was the beginning of the slave trade in the United States. Say what you will but it is a fact Blacks were better off, by far, being sold to Southern white landowners.
Every Feburary there is “ Black History Month’ celebrating the fact they HAVE a history, unlike those who were sold a thousand years before. Black History Month is careful not to speak of slavery before their deliverance to the USA.
A “whitewash’, if you will.


37 posted on 10/15/2009 5:12:48 AM PDT by Duffboy
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Lifetime slavery in the US was initiated by a BLACK plantation owner. Before that, it was indentured servitude, and not permanent.

Life for most slaves on plantations was peaceful, and established in order. Food and shelter were free.

All Americans came here from somewhere else, and in those early days many had very difficult times. Pioneers on the frontier were randomly slaughtered by Indian raids. Every meal and piece of clothing took hours of hard toil to produce.

You want to talk murder? Whole villages in Africa were wiped out by slave raids done by other African tribes or Arab raiders. Would you prefer living in a place where any hour your village could be raided and all you know killed or captured into forms of slavery as harsh or harsher than any here? Or would you run to the next Dutch slave ship and seek passage — if you knew you would be enslaved in a wealthy well-run plantation?

People who say that coming here even as a black African slave on a horrible slaveship was better long term say so with some truth.

Take a trip to middle Africa today — the Congo, Zimbabwe, Somalia, the Sudan and see for yourself.


38 posted on 10/15/2009 5:13:41 AM PDT by bvw
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To: screaminsunshine

American Blacks are the best off in the world.

Actually, blacks who migrated here by their own volition, from places such as South Africa and the West Indies, are far better off than even American born blacks.

39 posted on 10/15/2009 5:16:16 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: maica
There were programs available starting as far back as 1700 that made it possible to travel to the New World for free in return for working for a person/government/city after one got here. I have a number of ancestors who did this. They were all white. Should I ask for reparations? Or should I be grateful that they suffered and risked everything? I am sick and tired of this slavery BS. My family has a member buried at Gettysburg over that. That is plenty. We have given more than we should have had to. End of story and I won't listen to anymore of it.

Μολὼν λάβε


40 posted on 10/15/2009 5:18:09 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" or "come get some")
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Not only will it produce some cash (Rush can do with it as he likes)

What the heck, why stop with the Rams? If Goodell doesn't back off, Rush may own the NFL, NBC and CNN.

41 posted on 10/15/2009 5:19:01 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Always Right
The origins of the quote is well known, it goes back to it being posted in 2005 by some blogger. No one ever heard those quotes before then. Then they were added to Wikipedia and then they were quoted in the book. Then they were picked up by MSNBC and now the MSM has widely reported them. Limbaugh never said any of these things.
To me the central character is the Associated Press, which actually homogenized the news business in the late Nineteenth Century, and currently. It's a monopolistic organization, and has been virtually from its inception - and accordingly was in 1945 held by SCOTUS to be in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act. The defense of the AP from charges that it was a dangerous centralization of propaganda power was that the AP consisted of members who were famously independent, so the AP was "objective." We know that is a joke, and that there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the journalism of one member of the AP and any of the others.

The real reason that imposture was accepted is that no one could stomach the idea that the newspapers would no longer have the ability to report news from distant places within a day of the event. But with the advent of the Internet, no one seriously thinks that the people require the AP to get news in near real time from anywhere.

The AP should be sued into oblivion.


42 posted on 10/15/2009 5:24:24 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (SPENDING without representation is tyranny. To represent us you have to READ THE BILLS.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Duhhh. Can you read? I said good for the descendents...great great grandkids ...of slaves. Not slaves. Even though the conditions of the Southern slaves were better than the conditions of blacks now in 3rd world cesspools. They were fed. They fed them so they could work. Many blacks are now starving overseas. I have seen it.


43 posted on 10/15/2009 5:31:39 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: norge

They were not indoctrinated at young ages. Unfortunatly American Black Culture is infecting the Blacks in the Indies and other Carib areas.


44 posted on 10/15/2009 5:33:37 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Melchior

This is why you should never leave a book like this sitting out there untouched. I guess Rush didn’t want to give the author any free publicity, but if the book had been attacked a false in 2006, the media would have no excuse for quoting it.

I can’t imagine any media outlet losing a court case for initially quoting a book with quotes, if there is no record of the person being quoted having complained about the book.

Obviously, they have no excuse now that it has been exposed, but they’d be covered for the initial quoting.

Look, turn it around. Would you like to be called a liar and hauled into court if you quoted from a book and later it came out that something the book said was a quote wasn’t really a quote?


45 posted on 10/15/2009 5:34:29 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Machavelli

Right. He is busy selling America down the river.


46 posted on 10/15/2009 5:34:54 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
The AP should be sued into oblivion.

Their oblivion is fast approaching, lawsuit or not. Physically, the AP is a series of terminals connected via wires, almost exactly like the Web. The issue is who controls the flow of information. Centralized control at the AP versus distributed control on the Web.

"News is what your editor says it is unless the publisher says it isn't."

Carl Liberto (b. 1949), US Journalist. Interview, Tuesday, February 3, 2009.

47 posted on 10/15/2009 5:37:48 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Islander7
I think I specified that my observation was not a value judgment about slavery or the South.

That being said, slavery had a much more profound effect on the South than on New England, although much of Nineteenth Century New England is defined by opposition to slavery (Thoreau, Emerson, etc.). The demographic effect on the South is obvious, the economic effect undeniable. New England would have been New England without slavery, though it did have its impact. For instance, the Salem witch hysteria was initiated by actions of Tituba, a slave woman from the West Indies.

Overall the economic impact of slavery in New England was negligible but admittedly not zero. The cultural effect largely defined by opposition to it. The demographic effect mostly felt since the late twentieth century, and then more in the Hispanic echo. (I maintain that illegal Hispanic immigration is culturally countenanced because of misplaced guilt about the treatment of blacks. I call that the Hispanic echo effect. I am the only one who calls it that.)

48 posted on 10/15/2009 6:05:47 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The People have abdicated our duties; ... and anxiously hope for just two things: bread and circuses)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

How many of those who slandered Rush made reference to the source they relied on? In writing, the issue of libel can generally be overcome by judicious use of footnotes. In slander, most people who indulge in malicious speech make no attempt to source their comments. Thus, in the case of CNN, which has fact checkers galore, the broadcaster does not have a leg to stand on if the veracity of the source has not been verified.


49 posted on 10/15/2009 6:11:06 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: screaminsunshine

You are incredibly ignorant and bigoted.


50 posted on 10/15/2009 6:34:44 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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