Posted on 10/14/2009 10:31:15 AM PDT by Danae
This is my own article, and I own all relevant copyrights on its content.
Barack Obama and State of Hawaii on the ropes.
The latest legal turn out of Hawaii leaves very little wiggle room for the state.
On July 27th 2009 The Hawaii Department of Health in a press release declared that Barack Obama was a Natural Born Citizen.
Researcher Justin Riggs on July 29th was informed by email that Hawaii Attorney General Mark Bennett reviewed and approved the Statement released by DoH Director Fukino.
Attorney Leo Donofrio has been investigating the irregularities in the State of Hawaii at his Blog Natural Born Citizen and has published a copy of the emails between Riggs and the Attorney General's office:
From: Justin Riggs [email address redacted]
Date: Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
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Well..we need some GOOD news.....that’s fer sure!
I have said it before and I will say it again... Hawaii should have NEVER been made a State.
Look out....more fines could be levied and more sanctions against lawyers and “nosy-rosy” types. Orly Taitz=object lesson.
Aweeee, I was born there... that would make me an illegal alien!
First link in your text “Barack Obama and State of Hawaii on the ropes” doesn’t work.
Is it just me, or is that first link not working?
Not in this case. Because of UIPA laws, ANYONE has standing, and the State of Hawaii is breaking it’s own laws, demonstrability. The state has no options left legally, and they are still trying to obfuscate and misdirect. Its not working any longer, the house of cards is coming down.
Wow that first link is bad, did they pull your thread?
If and only if a judge can be found that is willing to enforce the law.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
Nope, its just my brilliant skill with HTML
That is the correct link.
I agree, if I can't drive there, it should not be a state. It will be the last one of the 50 I visit. (12 to go)
I had to provide my Birth Certificate to enlist in the Navy 19 years ago. Nobama should at least be required to provide his.
I hope you’re right. I’s love to see this issue hammered and hammered over and over. I hope it NEVER goes away.
I’s=I’d
Could I ask you to correct my link at the top of the Article?
http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m10d14-Barack-Obama-and-State-of-Hawaii-on-the-ropes is the link the title is: “Barack Obama and State of Hawaii on the ropes.”
I am really sorry everyone!
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Nope if you were born in any of the territories then you are a citizen.
That will get really tricky for the Judge really fast. THere is a LOT of Hawaiian law supporting this and at least 10 Opinion letters regarding it. Its about as close to an open and shut case as anyone will ever get.
It will be very hard to wiggle out from under. If a Judge DOES duck, then it will get appealed up to a higher court, which might actually make the path to the SCOTUS and Quo Warrento in DC District Court just that much faster.
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Great job!
Thanks Z!
I hope it goes as public as ACORN just did. It NEEDS to.
Heck, want to throw a figurative Nuke at ACORN, then this is it, the whole administration that it put into power is also unconstitutional.
Obama is the Manchurian candidate.
The Trans-Pacific Bridge will be completed shortly after the space elevator(s).
Any chance that it has to make it through the 9th Circuit (I think in SanFran) on it’s way up the judicial ladder?
It is possible. However, it is more likely that it will go to the DC Circuit Court which is the only court that can hear Quo Warrento cases, which this is ultimately, and of course SCOTUS can hear it as well. Most likely the 9th and all other courts of appeal would be bipassed. That is what I have gathered from numerous readings and re-readings of Leo’s information.
Thank you for the answer. I hope and pray this will be settled sooner than later. This has made me just ill for over one year now. I pray that Hawaii has opened a legal window that can’t be closed or bought. :)
No, it wouldn't. Hawaii was a US territory before becoming a state, anyone born there during that time would still be, and are, a US citizen. Puerto Ricans are natural born citizens because they are born in a Territory of the USA, which makes them citizens.
Under the laws of Hawaii, the Attorney General of Hawaii or any District Attorney can seek a subpoena for Obama’s long form, vault copy, original Certificate of Live Birth. The current Attorney General of Hawaii is Mark Bennett, a Republican.
Here’s the relevant statute: HRS 338-18(b)point 9
The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(1) The registrant;
(2) The spouse of the registrant;
(3) A parent of the registrant;
(4) A descendant of the registrant;
(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;
(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;
(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
(8) A personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
***(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
Why hasn’t anyone offered to pay George Hussein Onyango Obama, 26, (the youngest of BHO’s half-brother’s living in a hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi) to fly to Hawaii and get a copy of it?
No one says Obama isn’t a citizen. He isn’t a natural born citizen, that distinction only matters for POTUS and the veep. Regular citizenship issues are not relevant here. What is relevant is he NBC status he does not have.
If BO attended college as a foreign student (which is the likely assumption) he would be a citizen of Indonesia and, unless he subsequently attained U.S. citizenship, he would NOT be a U.S. citizen to the best of my knowledge. I think he would have demonstrate a record of following the proper procedure of obtaining a green card, etc.
Too bad George Soros’ BILLIONS have been able to hide ALL of this !
Our biggest problem is the whoredom of the Amercian media !
Now THAT’s an excellent question.
However, I think the person you are sending this inquiry to
is not on our team. (troll alert)
Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600’s is not, was not, and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not matter where Barack Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan citizen. He could have been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. itself, and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama’s parentage remains the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born Citizen.
There is absolutely no doubt”
The bizarre certainty of this point is the one thing I absolutely do not get in all this carrying on about the birth certificate. If one thinks he was born outside the U.S., well, okay. That is a basis for a non-NBC argument. If someone thinks he became an Indonesian citizen and gave up US citizenship, well, okay. When you understand what is actually required to give up U.S. citizenship, I think the chances of that are vanishingly remote, but again that's a basis for the non-NBC argument.
But this father-not-a-citizen thing is a total non-starter, regardless of whether you personally think that ought to be a basis for NBC. First, the birth certificate is irrelevant to it. Obama has admitted who his father was. It was a known fact that the person he identifies as his father was not a U.S. citizen long before the election. The fact that he ran, no one challenged him on it, and no credible authority has even raised the issue means something. There is a de facto consensus that “NBC = born here.” That de facto consensus also has precedent in law and common tradition. There is not a court in existence that will rule a sitting president, duly elected by a majority of the voting citizenry, is not eligible based on a new interpretation of a commonly understood term. Nor should there be, as that would be blatant judicial activism of the worst kind.
I'm sorry. Scream all you want, but the father thing is a total waste of time. It's never going anywhere.
I respectfully disagree.
If your argument were true, then you had better bend over and accept Homosexuality and Abortion. Because as you say, its becoming common practice right?
I don’t think so.
Natural Born Citizenship was specifically put into the requirements to prevent someone with divided loyalties from ever becoming president. The Existance of Quo Warrento trials, which is the means by which a federal elected official is removed from office would not exist either. Because as you say... “well people just accepted it so it is ok now.” BS.
What went on was a criminal Fraud, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign donations. Trillions of now unrecoverable dollars in the bailouts and tarp and Stimulus $. It was the biggest theft in HISTORY, and you think we ought to just walk away from it?
I don’t think so.
The Education system in the US is so poor now that the average citizen doesn’t even know the difference between Citizen and Natural Born Citizen, something that has been decided in law for literally hundreds of years! Law used not only by this Nation, but others as well, going back to the Roman Empire! Through the British Empire!
So that makes it ok? That the American citizen is THAT ignorant?
Respectfully, are you out of your mind?
Leo Donofrio isn’t going after the Birth Certificate, though that may turn up. He is going after the documentation that the State of Hawaii used to determine that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. The communications between the officials who made that distinction!
Thats what is going on here.
Actually, I think all that money went towards misdirecting people to the issue of Obama’s birth Certificate. Which is irrelevant. What is relevant is who his dad is. If people aren’t looking at his dad and the ramifications of THAT, then they are safe.
Its a smokescreen.
The issue is having a British father.
You can’t be a Natural Born Citizen with a Foreign National as one of your parents, not matter where you were born.
The art of the smokescreen.
Thats why we have to talk about what that screen is hiding.
Obama’s British Father.
The house of cards is coming down.
I would not be too surprised to learn he has been threatened to within an inch of his life.
Everyone knew his father wasn't a US citizen years ago. He's admitted it. Even the COLB everyone gets so exercised about identifies a noncitizen as his father. No one ever hid that fact. It is common knowledge, and was so before the election.
You insist a phrase in the Constitution must mean what you want it to, even though the Constitution doesn't say that and there is ample law and common precedent indicating the contrary. If you believe that, fine. But no one else is under any obligation to take that seriously, and no court ever will.
Scream as loud as you want about how ignorant everyone is. I hope it at least makes you feel better.
Sorry, but you're just wrong about that. Anyone born on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen. It's important to understand that there really aren't different *kinds* of citizenship. There are different *routes* to citizenship and there are only two routes: One can be born a citizen, or naturalized into citizenship. That's it. That's all "natural born" means.
The founders didn't want naturalized citizens to be able to run for President because they were afraid of British officials coming over and basically taking the country back by getting one of their own elected President. So, they said that you had to either already be here when the Constitution was adopted, or be born here. That's all they meant.
“Leo Donofrio isn’t going after the Birth Certificate, though that may turn up. He is going after the documentation that the State of Hawaii used to determine that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. The communications between the officials who made that distinction!
Thats what is going on here.”
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.
I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...”
All Dr. Fukino needs to say is that Barack Hussein Obama II gave her his permission to release that much information to the public about his original vital record. The registrant himself is allowed to breech his own confidentiality under Hawaii statutes.
Here’s the law: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM
You do not seem to understand that Hawaii’s decimation of natural born and the constitution’s are not the same. In 2 ways.1) they give an amended certain. Of live birth and an unamended one the same legal weight. 2) they as a norm registered foreign births in the state as citizens. These factors near completely invalidate Fukinos statment.
No Ramius, they are citizens. They are not Natural Born. For the singular reason that they also have the citizenship of their parents.
Natural born is defined by having to Citizen parents and being born on American soil. That is the only way to be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America. All three of those conditions must be met.
Go read the FULL Wong Kim Ark Decision, in part it states:
“The same principle on which such children are held by us to be citizens of the United States, and to be subject to duties to this country, applies to the children of American fathers born without the jurisdiction of the United States, and entitles the country within whose jurisdiction they are born to claim them as citizen and to subject them to duties to it.
Such children are born to a double character: the citizenship of the father is that of the child so far as the laws of the country of which the father is a citizen are concerned, and within the jurisdiction of that country; but the child, from the circumstances of his birth, may acquire rights and owes another fealty besides that which attaches to the father.”
You are flat out incorrect that it only applied during the time which surrounded the adoption of the constitution in 1787.
Issues of anyone leading the Nation with divided loyalties is an eternal concern.
There are three types of citizenship. Natural Born Citizen. Citizen, and Naturalized citizen. The only time the first one is relevant at all is for POTUS and the VEEP who must also meet those requirements. Thats it. That’s why no one thinks that there are three. There are. Wong Kim Ark is the case that proves it.
Don’t go just trying to read the last few paragraphs of that decision, you have to read the whole thing. Several times most likely. Certainly I have had to read it over and over.
Leo beats this topic to death on his web site:
Also, the DNC were co-conspirators in Obama’s elibility cover-up, in case anyone had doubts:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15127
Gee the anti-birthers don’t have to rely on their opinions when facts are a click away...
He’s a tired old leftist. Ayers? The arrogance is similar.
Perhaps if he was offered a sizeable chung of change and a new idenitity...?
He certainly is. I'm a Senior and have watched as we've fought communism all my life in one way or another. Now SOROS, CPUSA, SPUSA, MSM, DSUSA and all the other commie front groups have elected a communist who hates America and wants it destroyed and replaced by a socialist/communist system that eventually joins a socialist/communist one world government. And guess who wants to run that? No, it's not Bill Clinton! Do we just sit on our hands and watch this happen? Time to get really involved in this Fight, yes, it is a Fight, for the survival of our nation. Get involved locally, TEA Parties, whichever, whatever way you can and Fight for our very Freedom. It's going to get ugly. This healthcare bill, soon amnesty, then gun control, the "Fairness Doctrine", "monitoring" of "domestic terrorists", more voter fraud, more financial collapse, higher taxes, more government rules and regulations - all meant to destroy America as we knew it. We can't let that happen! The 9/12 March in DC was a good start. Get involved and Flip Congress in 2010!
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