The answer is:
Leave California before you have to care.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
Posted on 10/13/2009 2:31:15 PM PDT by epow
18:28 PDT SACRAMENTO -- People buying ammunition in California will soon have to be thumbprinted and dealers will have to keep records of sales, under legislation that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law. More News After vetoing similar bills three times since 2004, Schwarzenegger signed AB962 by Assemblyman Kevin de León, D-Los Angeles, on Sunday, saying he now believes it will promote public safety. The measure is California's first statewide regulation of ammunition sales. It survived close votes in both the Assembly and state Senate and strong opposition from gun-rights organizations, which succeeded in stripping a provision that would have required sellers of more than 50 rounds of ammunition a month to be licensed by the state. Starting in July, the law will require dealers to keep records of handgun ammunition sales for at least five years, and store the bullets securely out of customers' reach. Like gun transactions, all ammunition sales will have to be face-to-face, a requirement that will force online buyers to arrange delivery of ammunition to a seller in California. Another provision makes it a crime to knowingly sell or give ammunition to someone who cannot possess it legally, including felons, gang members and the mentally ill. As of February 2011, all ammunition buyers will have to provide a driver's license or other state identification and a thumbprint.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
A bonanza for neighboring states?
He's a "Republican" and he can "win".
Yes, which is of course where almost all the “crime” ammo will come from.
When he was first elected there were a large number of posts on this site that wanted to amend the constitution in order that he be able to run for President.
Time to stock up on reloading supplies!
Ok... so here’s a question for all y’all. Let’s say I’ve got a bunch of ammunition for home defense as well as the target range and my house gets broken into and they swipe my ammo. Not my gun, but my ammo. Then the ammo is used in the commission of a crime and is then traced back to me. I’m assuming this is what will happen as a result of this law. What then?
If your ammo gets stolen, is it standard practice to report this to the police?
Sorry if this is a stupid question but I don’t own a gun (yet) so I don’t know how this all works.
If the liberals can’t ban guns now that the Keller decision confirms what everyone has known since 1791, i.e., that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right, they’re going after ammunition. Guns are useless toys without ammunition.
Now ammunition will go black market, like drugs. Nice going Arnie.
“We’re going to have to take one step at a time,
and the first step is necessarily — given the
political realities — going to be very modest .
.. So then we’ll have to start working again to
strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen
the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now,
though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but
with a slice.
Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in
the United States — is going to take time ....
The first problem is to slow down the increasing
number of guns being produced and sold in this country.
The second problem is to get handguns registered.
And the final problem is to make the possession of *all*
handguns and *all* handgun ammunition — except for the
military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed
sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally
illegal.”
— Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc.
( “The New Yorker”, July 26, 1976 )
He figures they could of taken Switzerland if such a law had been passed
Wait wait wait wait wait.....You’re a freeper and you don’t have a gun? That is a requirement of freeperdom. Not just one gun, but several. If you have to sell the family dog, you got to get a gun. Give up alcohol to get a gun.
parsy, who says everybody in Arkansas including the criminals has a gun.
The ammo manufacturers may just decide to stop shipping ammo to CA to avoid the hassle of finding a practical way to mark it and then go to the extra effort and expense required to do it.
How soon before the NRA files a lawsuit that ownership of ammunition is implied under the second amendment and is guaranteed the same protections?
What do you mean they? He’s Austrian... oh, yeah, right!
The answer is:
Leave California before you have to care.
Wouldn’t you think that the right to bear arms sort of implies ammunition too? Freedom of press...no ink or paper though without special registration. Arnold turned out to be a real stinker. What a weak man he is.
EFF YOU Arnold!!
I’m a Californian and I am sooooo sick and tired of these BASTARDS running this state into the ground.
The revolution in this country is coming. It’s just a matter of time.
I don’t see how they could trace the ammo to you. I’ve never seen any kind of distinctive markings on ammo that would make one lot different than any other.
You can tell a lot about a man by who he chooses for a wife.
And another thing! This is a stupid and crappy move by Schwarz which is not going to decrease crime a bit. Criminals don’t obey the laws now. And, the California prisons are so full they are turning them loose. And it violates the Second Amendment.
parsy, who is p*ssed
And another thing are they going to put a serial number on every little bullet? If not, how do you know whose 357 the hollow point round came from? And what about reloader dudes? This violates the commerce clause. Next thing you’ll have to get a ballistics test on every gun you own, and then like England, keep it over at the local police station.
parsy, who can’t believe this stupid crap
Unless the state passes that idiotic ammunition microengraving law, there's no identifying marks on the ammo to tell anyone who bought it. Buying it over the counter will tell someone that you bought X number of rounds of whatever caliber - but there's no additional data on the cartridges inside the boxes.
Nice Crossroads of the West Gun Show coming to SoCal at the Ontario Convention Center on the weekend of Oct 24-25.
The convention Center is located just a few blocks south of the I-10 on Vineyard Ave at the intersection of Holt Blvd.
See’ya there!
Depends - Walmart checks your DL - if you’re from out of state they have a map of states that are ok to have ammo. Calif. and Nevada that I can think of are two out of seven(?) that have restricted ammo sales. Can’t buy ammo at Walmart in another state ....
There aren't any markings on ammo now, but IIRC there was a requirement in the original CA ammo registration bill that required ammo makers to mark cartridge casings and bullets with an indelible mark of some kind that identified each individual cartridge, and that box of ammo was to be recorded by the seller as to who it was sold to. I don't see anything in the article about that so it must have been dropped from the bill.
But it aint over yet, the anti-gun Kaliforniak pols will probably put that requirement in their next bill. The antis won't give up as long as there is one free man left in the US who still owns a gun and ammo for it.
Thank you swartzenKennedy!
Reasonable, Constitution-loving people need to move to Arizona, Utah or even Nevada which are bad enough in their own right but still salvageable.
I do think the Right should sponsor legislation for licensing journalists, now that Heller has established it's OK to require licenses for exercising constitutionally guaranteed rights.
Not really. But the idea's legally impeccable and my, wouldn't the Libs gibber?
And when "reasonble" people have given up the whole of the United States to the tyrants then where are you going to run?
Yeah, watch Ammo shops open up at the state borders like Firework stands.
Well, how much progress have reasonable Californian got to point to so far? Maybe we give up the cesspit California has become and mass in Arizona or Washington state.
I live in Mexico and can’t have a gun or ammunition. Can’t wait to get back to AZ and get my guns back.
Bingo. That's the idea...to dry up the sales.
That's probably why the Left (including Benedict Arnie) is trying to ban ammo!
How the heck much ammo do you need anyway?
You fire a few hundred rounds in a new handgun to break it in. You get some good training in how to shoot properly in realistic situations, using perhaps a few hundred more rounds. Then, most importantly, you train like heck with dry fire exercises daily at home to perfect and maintain what you learned. Every once in a while over the years you may want to go back to the range for a refresher course or new instruction, or just to validate that your skills are still intact.
That’s it. It’s an unnecessary indulgence IMO to practice repeatedly with live rounds, and counter-productive to boot if you are not getting instruction on how to improve your skills: repeating poor skills ad nauseum just reinforces them - it doesn’t result in improved effectiveness.
Of course, you should also have some rounds for home protection, and for the initial phases of any sort of nastiness if TSHTF. But you won’t need that many, most likely: home protection clashes are fairly limited in scope, and in a wider, post-apocalypse resistance scenario you can probably get ammo from fallen enemies if you need more.
When freedom is being discussed, I never discuss "need".
I don't want some POS politician deciding what I do, or do not need.
I've heard the same argument over semi-auto firearms. It's none of their damn business.
“How the heck much ammo do you need anyway?”
How much *food* do you need?
How much *gasoline* do you need?
How much *electricity* do you need ?
See where “need” takes you ?
Shhh! What is that sound? It is the sound of the Chronicle and SF liberals wetting their pants with glee.
I lived in SF for a decade and lived through the vote banning handguns in the city limits. I was only too happy to be a felon for a time.
California sucks. SF sucks. I can’t wait to leave this godforsaken communist sanitarium.
The gangs now have a wonderful new source of revenue — smuggling in out of state ammunition to sell to felons. Wonderful. Crime will go UP as a result of this idiocy.
You may be unaware some people simply find shooting to be “fun”. Like bowling or golf. It is a challenging activity that allows you to compete against yourself and gauge your personal progress.
That takes a healthy amount of annual ammunition.
Only about 20% of us are not dependent on government, and shrinking everyday.
That number will be dwindle yearly, as more have their earnings, savings, and property stolen by the feds, in exchange for medical care.
If we are to do anything...it has to be soon.
My mistake: I assumed folks here were expressing their concerns about ammo supply based on guns being tools “necessary to the security of a free State”, not toys for self gratification. My bad.
A bonanza for neighboring states?”
Guess the new Cabela’s and the new Sheel’s sports stores in Reno knew what they were doing?
Both stores are less than 4 years open...Sheel’s only about a year.
Now, Sportsmen’s Warehouse needs to put up a store in Pahrump, in So Nevada.
Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc.
( “The New Yorker”, July 26, 1976 )”
Absolutely criminal that he made that statement on the 200th anniversary of the country.
Just to continue that thought:
How much Money do you need?
How much Property do you need?
How much Freedom do you Need?
Do You want someone to make those decisions for you?
Because if we continue the way we’re going, the Statists WILL make those decisions for you.
Which leads us back to your original question.
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