Posted on 10/13/2009 1:52:38 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
A Florida judge has ruled a teenager from Ohio must return after running away to Florida in fear that her parents would harm her for converting from Islam to Christianity.
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This is tunning. I’ve heard for liberal social workers and judges questioning parents’ abilities because they were strong Christians.
tunning = stunning
You have a freedom of religion once you are 18 I guess.
You can engage in same sex sodomy whenever you feel like it.
We are living in Bizarro world.
I guess that kids who are abused by mommy and daddy should just button their lips, eh judge?
Two questions. When does she turn 18? Why can’t she declare herself emancipated and refuse to go?
Back “home” to the custody of Children’s Services and a full-scale investigation by Ohio authorities.
An appeal should drag this out past her 18th birthday.
You cannot judge one man, based upon the actions of another man who happens to share the same faith. Just because one of them is an animal that walks on 2 legs; does not mean the other is going to do the same thing.
However, I would think that the parents of this girl will know that the eyes of the nation are on them. I doubt it will take much more than a threat to have the police in Florida come down like a ton of bricks on this man.
I wonder if she or her Christian sponsors in Florida can afford to appeal? If so, this could indeed be dragged out until she turns 18.
All very well to say that we should punish the father if he kills her, as he has threatened to do. That wouldn’t bring her back to life.
It’s not as if she’s a youngster. She only has a few months to go until she turns 18.
If the parents or other family members are determined to commit an honor murder, the eyes of the nation and the threat of arrest won’t mean a thing to them.
I’m not saying they are definitely planning on killing her, but if they are, and she is sent home, nothing will stop them.
Stunning? This is florida, the state that starved Teri Schiavo to death.
Don't put anything past florida.
So I hope the spineless college boy judge hack does time as an accessory...and meets his old acquaintences on the inside.
That’s not exactly what the judge said. The minor child has to return to Ohio, but will be placed in foster care. She will not be with her parents absent some court-appointed supervisor. I doubt that she’ll be in any real danger.
In fact it is highly unlikely that any harm will come to this girl due to the wide exposure her situation has been given. IMHO she has a pretty good life insurance policy going now. In one year she will be 18 and can move out if she wishes.
In fact it is highly unlikely that any harm will come to this girl due to the wide exposure her situation has been given. IMHO she has a pretty good life insurance policy going now. In one year she will be 18 and can move out if she wishes.
He did read the history; that's the point. People in that area need to storm that house, if something happens to that girl, and literally take the law into their own hands. It's come to vigilantism. Can you imagine the abject terror that this young woman has in her heart? God be with her.
You say that like it's a good thing??
Given the frequency that "honor killings" occur in Islamic culture, the fact that the girl says she is in fear of it happening to her should be given some weight. Particularly since she's almost 18 and almost an adult.
I say allow her to be be in foster care until 18.
Tell that to our soldiers in Iraq and Aphganistan. Wide exposure is provided there as well. These animals care not. Sharia law is being attempted in our country already.
Well, a lot more than one of them behave as animals. If it wasn't so widespread, I might agree with you.
While I do have some reservations, like you; the law has to be enforced equally among everyone.
Now, if they have just 1 charge of abuse; that’s all the excuse I need. But, as there is nothing I have seen to indicate that this family is anything other than a peaceful family, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I have known very few Muslims; however the one’s I have met have been tolerant of family members who were not either active Muslim (smoke, drank and didn’t observe practices) as well as one who had a Christian wife. Not all of them are the same; there are a FEW decent Muslims.
Yeah right. Be sure and tell that to the young lady after she is slain in an honor killing for apostacy
Unfortunately, all we hear about are the animals. It's a shame they aren't wise enough to stand up and say "These animals don't speak for me". But, judging by Farakahn and other degenerates of his ilk - the world does not get a very nice picture of Islam. Certainly, there has to be some minor redeeming feature they have to offer.
If there is, I haven't seen it.
“However, I would think that the parents of this girl will know that the eyes of the nation are on them”
Oh yeah like that’s gonna stop them. They’ll drop a radio in the tub with her and claim it was an “accident”. Muslims have no honor. They follow a lunatic.
In the case of Islam, you can as the religion is one of abject violence. To be a faithful adherent, you must subscribe to and act upon the murder and mayhem advocated by their liturgical doctrine.
What was the evidence that the parents would harm her? Was it the statements offered by the child? Was there other information that would help someone decide? Was there prior abuse or threats?
Kids declare themselves emancipated at 16, let alone 17!
This is a ridiculous ruling. The judge should find that so long as she can prove she has a place to live and means of support she is emancipated.
I wonder how close to 18 she is. If she can appeal and postpone long enough... until she is 18, she wont have to go back at all.
So they just drug her and take her back to where they came from and dispose of her there.
I'm sure that will help a lot to bring life back to her cold, dead carcass.
Well, a lot more than one of them behave as animals. If it wasn’t so widespread, I might agree with you. “
So true. I live here in Columbus near her family. I don’t know them, but considering the Mosque they attend, I have real concerns.
Speaking of “behaving as animals”...whenever I see your screen name it takes me back many years ago to when I was married to a looney toon who used to behave as such...only he was a Christian who use to tell me all the time whenever we disagreed, “I’m ALWAYS RIGHT, I’m never wrong, so just don’t think.” Ha! ;)
Unfortunately, the law is REACTIVE in nature, you do 'x' you get 'y'. The law is not (and until time travel becomes a reality)PROACTIVE, meaning "We know with absolute certainty that you will commit 'x' so we are going to avoid that sitation and punish you now.
The law doesn't work this way - you are not fined for speeding when you buy a new sports car. You have to commit the crime first.
Knowing they are being watched might also make them more likely to act, make their daughter an example for other young muslim girls who might be considering a conversion to Christianity.
So, are you saying that because what ‘MIGHT’ happen with parents that have no criminal history, that have no previous warrants, charges or so much as a parking fine - at least reported in the news - existing law should be set aside to make an exception in their case?
Who else, then in your opinion, is also entitled to excemption from the ‘Equal Protection under the Law’ clause? Can we take extraordinary actions against Jews? How about Lutherns? Can we bypass the court system and make decisions arbitrarily against Mormons? Certainly you would consider those decisions to be wrong and evil - Justice is blind.
Speaking personally, do I think she is in potential danger? Yup. But, am I willing to wad up the Constitution and throw it away based on her? No, I am not. We have to sit, wait, hope and pray. Unless you want to dismantle the Constitution and impose a new type of law system that grants ‘special consideration’ for select groups - we have no choice.
That's a long way off.
Another thing I've been thinking about, after watching Fox News coverage of this case yesterday, is that she is not a citizen of the US. If the family gets the OH courts to order her back into the home, they can take her back to their home country and carry out their honor murder there.
I hope the father doesn't turn out to be the murderer that Rifka thinks he is.
Man, what got your knickers in a knot.
For the record - please cite for us how many Jews, Lutherans, or Mormons have murdered their daughters because they converted to another religion.
And the constitution does protect life. So if this girl’s life is in danger, we should just ignore it. Your argument makes no sense, the girls has rights, her parents have rights, but not the right to murder their child (at least AFTER the kid is born),
Please cite any evidence you have that the girl’s life is in danger from her parents. What have the parents said, or did that would lead you to believe that they will kill her? Are there any outstanding warrents? Evidence of physical abuse to any other family member? Cops called to their home over domestic disputes? Parking tickets? Littering?
You are inferring (and perhaps correctly) that she feels threatened because of something they said to her; but the court has to act on evidence, not supposition.
The court’s hands are tied in this matter. If there is no verifiable threat, the court has no choice. What gets my knickers in a knot is people who are willing to abandon our court system based upon ONE possible example where the system fails, yet ignore the hundreds of millions of times it has worked.
We have laws, we execute the laws. If the laws are bad, we change them - but we don’t react willy-nilly to every situation that comes along like a pre-teen girl. That path does not lead anywhere we want to be.
It would be a darn shame if the girl just ran away. (till her Aug. 2010 birthday)
They belong to a cult where this type of event happens with some-what frequency and with no regards for the USC.
The article did cite physical abuse. There was also a published threat on her life (anonymous) from a website.
What have the parents said, or did that would lead you to believe that they will kill her?
Also cited in the article by the girl's attorney. AND there is a well documented pattern of honor murders in the Muslim world. There are documented cases of there murders by formerly "peace loving" followers of Islam in this country as recently as this year.
It's only legalistic sophistry to argue that there isn't a threat.
Pregnant Teens: Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland and Oklahoma allow pregnant teens or teens who have already had a child to get married without parental consent.
Problem solved
But a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation found no credible threats to Bary.
Contacted by FOXNews.com, Rifqa'a father Mohamed Bary said he has no intentions of harming his daughter.
"I love my daughter and I want her to come back to the family," he said, declining further comment"
You stated, "The article did cite physical abuse." Please enlighten me, I saw no such allegation. Now, perhaps you wish that people can make decisions based upon F-e-e-l-i-n-g-s (whoa, whoa, whoa) - but I prefer to stick to the truth, facts and the law.
It requires no 'legalistic sophistry' at all; just a calm, rational, mature and thought out look at the reality, not what you want to see. If there were anything other than what the news reports, I would agree with you. But, read the article and you'll see that she ran away in Feb after her parents discovered that she had been baptized, and was found living with a Pastor in Orlando.
The ONLY thing we have is her statement If I had stayed in Ohio, I wouldn't be alive," she said. "In 150 generations in family, no one has known Jesus. I am the first — imagine the honor in killing me." during a 6 minute interview with the local TV station. Now we both know that teen age girls never, ever, even consider invoking drama whenever it suits their purpose to get attention. Oh ,no; that is absolutely not even a possibility, right?
So the blows she received from her father were fabricated?
just a calm, rational, mature and thought out look at the reality, not what you want to see.
Indeed. The judge just sentenced this girl to hell. Did you want Elian Gonzalez returned his father in Cuba too?
Now we both know that teen age girls never, ever, even consider invoking drama whenever it suits their purpose to get attention. Oh ,no; that is absolutely not even a possibility, right?
Oh, and we also know that Muslims from foreign countries never ever even consider murdering women and call it an "honor killing" and then deny they did anything wrong.
What blows? Source please. Not in the article.
And as a matter of fact, yes I do believe that the Father has the right to get custody of his son - whether he lives in Cuba, Japan, Saudia Arabia, Nigeria or Florida.
Would you allow others to deny you custody of your children, just because you don't live they approve of? Who are you to tell a Father that he cannot take his son home? Seems pretty arrogant to me. Who are you to tell other people that they cannot have their children returned? Would you tolerate uninvolved 3rd parties deciding whether you get to see your children again? Whether you did anything abusive or not is immaterial, you are the 'wrong religon'. I'd guess you would object to that; and that would make you a hypocrite, wouldn't it?
We are not discussing Muslims in other countries, we are talking about parents in Ohio, USA. Again, any sources for your allegations of abuse, threats? Perhaps you have sources that the Florida police do not have access too.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112855
Jamal Jivanjee, an Ohio pastor who knew of the teen's conversion to Christianity from Islam in the face of opposition from her family, had pleaded for protection for her....
"As you may know, Rifqa’s parents discovered that she was a Christian and her worst fear came true. In addition to threats of physical violence and death, Rifqa's parents threatened to take her back to Sri Lanka and place her in an asylum to 'convince' her to convert back to Islam because apostasy in Islam is a very serious offence, and brings shame on the family."
Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
...Investigators, however, have said they could document no physical threat to the teen, even though Geller posted screen captures of an alleged threat to the teen's life that was available on the Internet.
Screen captures of the threats on her life:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/rifqa-bary-facebook-fatwa-we-need-to-kill-her-.html
That a Florida judge finds this unpersuasive is foolish. The girl ran for her life.
I agree that there is cause to fear; but there is no hard evidence that anything she said is true.
If she alleged sexual abuse, physical or emotional abuse, that could be acted upon. Yet, no one as alleged anything of the kind. Psychiatric testing on both her, and her parents failed to find a threat; as did an investigation by the Florida police.
There is no evidence that anything has happened, no evidence that any threats were made by any family member. Any Islam idiot (and there are Gazillions of them) could have made an internet threat; heck, to illustrate the point she or one of her friends may have posted a threat just to get attention. That sort of thing has happened before, she wouldn’t be the first, nor the last.
What facts do we have? She is a minor, her parents want her home, they have done nothing wrong, they have been accused of no wrong doing, they have no criminal record, no record of abuse and aside from being Muslim there wouldn’t be any question in this matter.
What rights do the parents have? Are a parent’s rights only applicable to Christians? This seems to be more of a Christian vs Islam debate, than anything else; but the end result is nothing short of an attack on the Constitution.
We have laws, she had her day in court and it didn’t go the way she wanted it to go. Heck, I would rather live in Florida than Ohio, wouldn’t you?
Evidence? Apparently she has to show up to the courtroom with broken bones or other wounds to establish it.
There are cases of children running from communism and being granted asylum with out any parents at all at the age of 12. At 17, she is old enough to do what she wants. In this case, the law is an ass- IMHO.
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