Posted on 10/13/2009 7:02:27 AM PDT by FromLori
The Senate Finance Committee is scheduled to vote on Chairman Max Baucus' socialized healthcare bill Tuesday, October 13, and Gun Owners of America (GOA) is warning the bill contains language that could be used to ban firearms.
In a statement Friday, GOA gave highlights of the unnumbered bill based on a summary of the legislation published recently. The pro-gun organization complains that the actual bill has not been released to the public yet. It is listed on the Senate Finance Committee website simply as "an Original Bill providing for Health Care Reform."
The legislation would require individuals to maintain a certain minimum of insurance coverage, imposing fines for non-compliance. It gives no cost for the policies and provides only a Congressional Budget Office estimate of costs and benefits based on the summary. It also gives power to "define and update the categories of treatments, items and services" contained within the minimum insurance requirement to Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
That, says GOA, is a big problem. Sebelius has an anti-gun voting record, and GOA cautions that she would have the power to exclude individuals who engage in sports and self-defense activities that involve firearms. The Baucus bill also contains provisions allowing insurers to charge higher premiums for "unhealthy behavior" but fails to define that term. A bureaucrat like Sebelius could easily rank gun owners in that category says GOA. It cites the current practice of companies like Prudential and State Farm which drop homeowners who refuse to use trigger locks and points out that gun owners would not be able to shop around for other coverage under ObamaCare’s nationalized system.
Also troubling is wording in the bill summary that provides for research to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records." The pro-Second Amendment group sees this as a plain-language admission of a federal database to monitor not only medical history but also matters the government determines to be relevant, including gun information. GOA points out that many military veterans have been denied the right to gun ownership because of conditions such as post-traumatic stress disorder.
Don’t automobiles kill more people annually than do firearms?
This dadgum bill will ban everything.
To Hell with it!
It will ban all Constitutional liberties in general as anyone with eyes to see and ears to hears know.
Most are blind however.
This is a nightmare of epic proportions.
The whole point of getting control of healthcare is to be able to deny your political opponents medical care.
Obama voters are the biggest fools in history.
If this bill doesn’t go down in flames in congress, it will certainly go down in flames in the courts.
YOU SHALL RUE THE DAY!
“...shall NOT be infringed.”
2010.
IT’S TEMPORARY.
If enough of us will get busy and educate those around us to the FACTS re. RTKABA, we can turn out the leftist SOBs beginning in 2010!!
We get some decent AMERICANS in congress and all this crap can be REVERSED.
CLEAN HOUSE IN 2010!!!
"...The whole point of getting control of healthcare is to be able to deny your political opponents medical care..."
Excellent point you've made. I've never thought of it in that interesting way.
Political opponents sure aren't much of a hassle when they're barely able to raise their heads off a pillow or are suffering the effects of medicine shortage.
Some provisions of this text are very vague. The fact that this is a conceptual outline and not an actual bill is a partial explanation for that. We need to see the actual bill (in “legislative language”) before we can say with any certainty whether these concerns are valid.
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Would being “gay” qualify as an unhealthy behavior?
When are people going to realize this whole gov’t health care takeover is a massive 4th Amendment violation?
oathkeepers.org
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Cigarettes and Fast food kill ten times as many people as either autos or firearms.
Several states/locales have toyed with the idea of mandatory firearms liability insurance. it’s not surprising the libs would try to include this in some form in healthcare overhaul.
Off to the gulag for you to learn the gay way!!!!!!!!!!!
Dang I hope you don’t belong to aarp
That’s right, this is social and political engineering.
No, the only “unhealthy behavior” is being politically incorrect.
>>”Don’t automobiles kill more people annually than do firearms?”<<
Doctors kill more people annually than guns.
So, we’re gonna ban guns, doctors, cigs, cars and fast food?
I wouldn’t be surprised.
These fools will try anything. After all, they know what’s best for us. :)
Meatheads.
Since people get severely injured or killed in cars, I supose that banning cars will be in the bill also.
And maybe some graphics from the ride of the Rohirrim.....
“Let the lord of the Black Land come forth, let justice be done upon....”
If the American people are ever to reclaim their nation and their liberty from the radical left, they will need a very swift kick in the rear to AWAKEN them. Perhaps this sort of gun-grabbing will get that accomplished.
I hope they have their insurance paid, they may need it.
No, but being a white male gun owner who worked hard and payed your share of the taxes all your life almost certainly does.
The list, ping
Hey! Let’s give the Statists a blank check, what could go wrong?
/sarc
Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin are grinning ear-to-ear in the Next World; they know what few Americans seem to realize - this is just The Beginning.
The whole point of this health care reform is to cause/allow enough old people to die so that Social Security and Medicare don't go broke for the next 7 or 8 years.
I get your point, but I doubt the five you mention have much to grin about in the next world.
I wonder why the NRA hasn't chimed in on this? I'm sure they could find a middle ground to compromise at where we would only give up a little bit of our freedom in exchange for insuring those who won't work. /sarcasm
I wonder why the NRA hasn't chimed in on this? I'm sure they could find a middle ground to compromise at where we would only give up a little bit of our freedom in exchange for insuring those who won't work. /sarcasm
Sorry about the double post. My enter key must be set to burst.
Hoping we could get some traction here on Free Republic to get some volunteers and information sharing going about the congressional & senate seat races in all districts and states.
Here is a thread started with a chart of all the players and districts.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2353222/posts?page=57#57
Well stated.
*bump*
“Also troubling is wording in the bill summary that provides for research to “encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records.” The pro-Second Amendment group sees this as a plain-language admission of a federal database to monitor not only medical history but also matters the government determines to be relevant, including gun information. GOA points out that many military veterans have been denied the right to gun ownership because of conditions such as post-traumatic stress disorder.”
I heard something about this on FOX today...something about an electronic chip that contains complete medical history and the government will have access to it.
The New American also has some information about this
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/congress/2077-senate-obamacare-bill-could-ban-guns
I’m a scatter brain today lol I meant
http://freedoms-fight.blogspot.com/2009/10/obamacare-could-be-used-to-ban-guns-in.html
This bill will go down in flames in the streets if it passes the congress.
“...contains language that could be used to ban firearms.”
Simply refuse to cooperate with any gun ban/grab.
Molon Labe.
Last week on the local radio station, a veteran called in to say that during his visit to the VA clinic, a nurse came in with a clip board full of questions regarding his gun ownership, how many he owned, whether or not they were locked, or in a gun safe, etc? When he asked her what it was all about the woman just got snide and said, don’t shoot the messenger, I’m just doing what I’m told.
“...don’t shoot the messenger, I’m just doing what I’m told.”
“In Sparta, everyone is responsible for the words that come out of his mouth, even the Kings Messenger.”
Tell ‘em that, see what happens.
The real problem is that the federal government is collecting data on Veterans’ gun ownership and you can’t lie to the government. The best answer is I don’t recall, just keep saying I don’t recall to every question.
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