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Calif. top justice slams state referendum process
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Posted on 10/10/2009 11:50:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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We has met the enemy and We is it.
Damn You, Hiram. Oh well.
He had good intentions. ;-)
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posted on
10/10/2009 11:51:35 AM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
To: NormsRevenge
“We the people” own the state, not legislators or courts.
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posted on
10/10/2009 11:53:24 AM PDT
by
OldNavyVet
(The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
To: NormsRevenge
The chief justice of the California Supreme Court is criticizing the state’s reliance on the referendum process, saying it has “rendered our state government dysfunctional.”
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The only thing that has rendered our state DYSFUNCTIONAL is its GOVERNMENT and judges like this that sit on its courts. Thank God for the referendum process — of course, it is a liberal nightmare. Anything that holds politicians accountable is something really bad. Just look at how Washington is taking care of that nuisance factor — Obama is creating his OWN GOVERNMENT......
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posted on
10/10/2009 11:54:14 AM PDT
by
EagleUSA
To: NormsRevenge
Aren’t judges supposed to stay away from political advocacy? A major violation of that principle is going on here.
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:00:02 PM PDT
by
Tax Government
(Mighty nuts from tiny Acorns grow.)
To: EagleUSA
unbelievable gibberish from this chief justice. We are not a tyranny..the people are supposed to be involved.
To: NormsRevenge
Well, if he doesn't like the Referendum, I would recommend the Recall for Hizzonner Chief Jerkstice George.
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:02:01 PM PDT
by
Navy Patriot
(Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
To: NormsRevenge
.. the widespread use of referendums to change state laws and constitutions hampers legislators, burdens the judicial branch and gives special interests too much power.And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
The instruments of darkness tell us truths
Win us with honest trifles, to betray's
In deepest consequence.
(Banquo, act 1, scene 3, William Shakespeare's Macbeth)
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:05:02 PM PDT
by
Sir Francis Dashwood
(Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
To: EagleUSA
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:12:57 PM PDT
by
freekitty
(Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
To: NormsRevenge
Actually, this is one of the opening salvos of the Marxist tyranny that calls itself the "California State Government".
The Marxist legislature will now attempt to pass "reform" legislation to "improve" the Initiative, Referendum and Recall processes.
The result will be an iron fisted legislative insider tyranny, and police state treatment of honest citizens.
Queers and illegals need have no concerns, they're SPECIAL!
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:16:55 PM PDT
by
Navy Patriot
(Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
To: Navy Patriot
Citizen group sponsored Propositions are the only avenue ordinary “normal” folks have to challenge the Dem Party Dictatorship of Kalifornia.
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:28:07 PM PDT
by
OldArmy52
(The German High Command sent Lenin to destabilize Russia. Who sent Obama?)
To: NormsRevenge
Always troubling when the people think they know better than the royalty......
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:28:20 PM PDT
by
G Larry
( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
To: OldArmy52
Citizen group sponsored Propositions are the only avenue ordinary normal folks have to challenge the Dem Party Dictatorship of Kalifornia. Absolutely true.
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:43:34 PM PDT
by
Navy Patriot
(Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
To: NormsRevenge
Most of the Propositions appearing on the ballot in California are crap. But then, so is most of the legislation issuing forth from Sacramento.
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:49:38 PM PDT
by
Mojave
(Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
To: Mojave
A lot of the “crap” on the ballot emanates from the legislature.
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posted on
10/10/2009 12:55:26 PM PDT
by
Lurkina.n.Learnin
(Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
To: NormsRevenge
I know that many "conservatives" love the populist referendum BS because occassionally, the ballot initiatives go "their way." Relying on the whims of the masses (and remember, the masses ARE asses) to decide how to run things leads to contradictions (ie voting for mass spending in education while also voting to reduce the taxes to pay for them). The fact is, in a Representative Republic, the responsability rests with the people who are VOTED IN by the electorate to do the job of legislating.
Many "California conservatives" are actually Right-populists. Its going to be great when the masses of Cali voters are of a different shade, and will pass initiative after initiative that will cause the pseudocons who love ballot initiatives to long for the days of representative government over the Mobocracy.
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posted on
10/10/2009 1:03:06 PM PDT
by
Clemenza
(Remember our Korean War Veterans)
To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
A lot of the crap on the ballot emanates from the legislature.Excellent point.
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posted on
10/10/2009 1:05:27 PM PDT
by
Mojave
(Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
To: NormsRevenge
The biggest problem with the ballot initiative process is that voters keep voting for expensive expenditures without supporting a way to fund them....
hh
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posted on
10/10/2009 1:11:57 PM PDT
by
hoosier hick
(Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
To: NormsRevenge
...the system places California's lawmakers in a "fiscal straitjacket" ... That's a very good thig for the state because every one of the little lunatics belongs in a very real straitjacket.
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posted on
10/10/2009 1:29:22 PM PDT
by
Desron13
To: Tax Government
Think of it this way. The state is in a fiscal mess. Part of the reason why is that the voters have approved so many bond funds, that the state is partially buried paying them off. Every new bond measure sounds like a new shiny bobble to the voters. And all too often they can’t do without it.
I don’t necessarily see this as a partisan matter.
The initiative process is essentially mob rule legitimized. It’s not a representative process. It’s more like a hard and fast Democracy. That’s not what our founders wanted for us, and I believe upon some thought, you’d probably agree with them at least in part.
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posted on
10/10/2009 1:34:56 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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