Jeb Bush praises Obama on education [hurl]

The Hill, Washington, DC ^ | 2009-10-08

[rabscuttle385]

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) reached across the aisle to praise President Obama on education reform this morning.

President Obama has angered teachers' unions by supporting merit pay, a policy that would pay teachers based on their students' test scores.

Obama has also called for a longer school year, while teachers' unions have proposed shorter school weeks to prevent layoffs.

"I am very, very encouraged, and excited that the president has taken on a core constituency of his party, which is the teachers union," Bush said on MSNBC's Morning Joe.

[BlueStateBlues]

I thought the humor threads were petering out. A good one though.

[GauchoUSA]

Praise when applicable...

[NMEwithin]

I will believe Barry’s commitment to merit-pay when I see it. If he does follow through...I think it’s a good thing.

[a fool in paradise]

This isn’t necessarily praising his initiatives. It comes down to this:

“I am very, very encouraged, and excited that the president has taken on a core constituency of his party, which is the teachers union,”

But the determination is what are the results? Talk is cheap.

[chuck_the_tv_out]

So, let’s get this straight.

0 “wins” Nobel “prize”.

It enters public consciousness massively that there is NO reason for this, NO good 0 has done.

HUGE opportunity for 0 to TANK.

And Jeb Bush comes out and is like “0 has done something”.

Yeah I think those conspiracy dudes must have been right. It’s a cabal. OK everyone, it’s time to organize militias.

[FlyVet]

reached across the aisle to praise President Obama

Wonderful. Jeb Bush-McCain for President. I love those aisle reachers.

"....In the back room afterward, Mr. Axelrod scolded Mr. Obama for not getting Mr. Bush to reach just a little bit farther, so he could get that knife all the way into his back.....Mr. McCain couldn't hide his resentment, that Mr. Bush took the knife that was meant for him...."

[MNJohnnie]

Notice something interesting about your posting history. You only post threads trash talking the GOP. You never take a shot at the Democrats on anything.

Curious, which Leftist propaganda outfit pays your salary? Moveon.org? Act Up? Acorn?

[dagogo redux]

A contender, now, for the Nobel Across-the-aisle-reaching Compassionate-conservative Award. Can’t wait to vote for this man!

[rabscuttle385]

You only post threads trash talking the GOP.

Do you see me trash talking Michele Bachmann? Or Jim DeMint? Or J.D. Hayworth? Or Sarah Steelman? Or Marco Rubio?

Or do you just have a problem with my bashing of RINOs like Charlie Crist, Lindsay Graham, Juan McCain, Rudy Giuliani, and Myth Romney?

Curious, which Leftist propaganda outfit pays your salary? Moveon.org? Act Up? Acorn?

A salary? Haha. LOL.

I don't have a DU, HuffPo, or Kos account.

I don't work for MoveOn.org, La Raza, George Soros, or ACORN, unlike Juan McCain and his lap dog.

I'm a disgruntled libertarian conservative and former Republican who is now unaffiliated with any party.

[ronnie raygun]

This is a Bush family disease, are we sure Snowe is not related? These reach across the aisle do gooders need to step aside. Fight fire with fire, they are the reason we are where we're at today!

[Fawn]

"President Obama has angered teachers' unions by supporting merit pay"

I agree with Jeb.

[wolfcreek]

For those of you who thought it might be a great idea to have ANOTHER Bush in the WH....

[Major Matt Mason]

Please. Jeb doesn't really believe that the Marxist in the White House believes in merit pay for teachers, does he? Oh, wait, he's a Bush. never mind.

[faucetman]

“Praise when applicable...”
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NONSENSE. STOP with falling for the liberal tactic of always asking conservatives to say “one thing they admire about Obama”. Rush didn't fall into that trap. Say one thing you admire about Hitler. Say one thing you admire about Charles Manson. Say one thing you admire about satan.

Am I comparing Obama to these people??? YES I AM.

Whatever one good thing these degenerates might have done, doesn't even begin to deserve mention because of all the despicable things they have done. Obama is INDEED on that level. He is EVIL. He HATES America. He is destroying our country. Taking away our freedom. Stealing the inheritance of our children. Changing our way of life.

What do I admire about Hitler? The same thing I admire about Obama....NOTHING.

“Let me ask you, what positive thing has Obama done so far?”

Let me answer by first listing all the NEGATIVE things he has done so far...how long is this show?

[Major Matt Mason]

For those of you who thought it might be a great idea to have ANOTHER Bush in the WH....

Not a chance of that happening. Dems and Independents would never vote for another Bush, and many Republicans wouldn't, either. Jeb is toast as a presidential candidate. Thank goodness.

[eleni121]

The stuff aimed at Jeb is well deserved.
Yo Jeb! STFU.

There is not enough merit pay in the soros accounts in the world to improve education in State controlled schools.

And longer school years? You mean more time for propaganda indoctrination?

No way. Jeb is just as irrelevant on mis-education as his dubya was on expanding the feds control over drug coverage in health care and the all the other fuzzy wuzzy wobblie stuff with Dems he did while in office.

[MNJohnnie]

Argue like a Leftist, post like a Leftist, no surprise people start thinking you are another faux "Conservative" Leftist propaganda warrior.

So explain to me this. See this from a dozen or so Freepers. Never have anything to say or post but "hate the GOP" commentary on every thread.

What do you Democrats in everything but name think you accomplish spending 100% of your time shooting your own side in the back?

Sure there are problems in the GOP but you people want to throw out all the good solid ones, the Joe Wilson-Demint-Coburn-Pence-Bourn Conservatives over the side with the Rinos. Are you just this clueless that you don't realize all you are doing with these pr blasts is helping Dems?

or are you like the McCainbots where during the Bush years?

Figure if you trash talk the GOP 24-7 somehow your chosen candidate will be the only untarnished one left standing in 2012?

[Nevermore]

President Obama has angered teachers' unions by supporting merit pay

Don't be a sucker!
You can believe this when BO pushes as hard for merit pay as he has for Socialized Medicine. Until then, it's all lip-service.
BO is all talk, all the time.

[RichInOC]

The president is good at education. Even if only to serve as a warning to others.

[cothrige]

I will believe Barry’s commitment to merit-pay when I see it. If he does follow through...I think it’s a good thing.

This is a bad idea, though not for the reasons the teacher's unions think. My wife teaches science in a rather poor, mixed race high school. There are other high schools which are overwhelmingly white, and much better off economically. They also consistently outperform the school my wife teaches at, and I can promise you that the teachers there are not any better or worse. The problem is systemic, and these idiotic legislators and governors refuse to fix that, and instead want to merely blame the bottom people on the totem pole.

Curricula stink. The administration is corrupt and inept. And the teachers are completely hogtied on the job. When a classroom is disrupted by angry, loud youths over and over what can the teacher do? Can they remove them? No, because the administrators send them right back, and then reprimand the teacher for not correcting the student in the classroom. But, what can the teacher do in the classroom? Can they discipline the student? No. Here, where my wife works, students have a right to a cell phone, and no teacher can cause any embarrassment to any student in the class. This means that you cannot call them out for their behaviour in any real way. You certainly cannot punish them.

What this adds up to is that in poorer schools, where the kids are prone to acting out, classrooms are simply unmanageable. In richer schools the kids are less prone to this and so the classroom is more productive. For this reason nothing productive can be done by a teacher to really effect a real improvement in the education of the kids. Teachers who happen to end up working in poor schools are simply going to be refused the pay those in better off schools get, just as the schools continually get less money for the classrooms as well.

Merit pay is only a valid choice after you fix everything else. You have to fix the curricula, get the bureaucrats out of the classroom, and allow teachers to do their jobs. What good is it to demand responsibility from somebody on the job if you are denying them the authority to actually meet that responsibility? This is a typically bad idea from people who know nothing of education in any way, just as they know nothing about any of the other things they constantly regulate and control.

[rabscuttle385]

Sure there are problems in the GOP but you people want to throw out all the good solid ones, the Joe Wilson-Demint-Coburn-Pence-Bourn Conservatives over the side with the Rinos. Are you just this clueless that you don't realize all you are doing with these pr blasts is helping Dems?

Let me make this clear.

The GOP is *part* of the problem.

The party controlled the Federal government at least six years and did next to nothing except enlarge the Federal government.

Now, perhaps, if you had actually read what I wrote at post 10 and if you had actually perused my entire posting history, you will notice that I post nice threads about genuinely conservative Republicans like Michele Bachmann, Jim DeMint, and Marco Rubio.

If you have problems with my bashing of RINOs like John McCain, Charlie Crist, Lindsey Graham, and others, then maybe you're not a conservative. Or maybe you are one who's just too blindly loyal to the GOP that you can't read the writing on the wall.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Curious, which Leftist propaganda outfit pays your salary? Moveon.org? Act Up? Acorn?”

You mean someone would pay Rabs and me to Freep you RNC staffers on how your worthless masters helped destroy the country and are planning more??? Do they post job offers someplace? We are getting ripped off. Good thing we enjoy it.

[Terpfen]

"I am very, very encouraged, and excited that the president has taken on a core constituency of his party, which is the teachers union," Bush said on MSNBC's Morning Joe.

Jeb points out that Democrats are eating each other alive and we're busy calling him a RINO because of his brother and father? Morons out in force today.

[upsdriver]

President Obama has angered teachers' unions by supporting merit pay

Merit pay(reward?bribe?) for those teachers promoting his Marxist agenda?

Obama has also called for a longer school year,

More time to properly indoctrinate the children?

I think Jeb Bush should quit praising and start recognizing the "evil within".

[Republic of Texas]

Jeb must have decided he did not want to be President and furthermore did not want anyone to ask him to be President. Thanks Jeb, you’re done.

[darkangel82]

I voted for him as governor just to keep the democrats out. I was never a big fan of the Bushes, period.

[Unicorn]

i agree with jeb.

[Terpfen]

Jeb was a pretty damn good governor.

[Paige]

Jeb can forget running for President after this .... Amazing how many self-proclaimed Conservatives actually show themselves during times such as this ...
Furthermore, what the heck has Obambo done for Education??? I’ll tell you - “NOTHING”.

[Joe Boucher]

Jeb must be hanging with his druggie daughter and her friends.

[NMEwithin]

Did not think it through like that...thanks for the education :)

[GauchoUSA]

I guess I forgot to type sarc and the end of my comment. Don’t get your feathers all ruffled.

[Impy]

Notice something interesting about your posting history. You only post threads trash talking the GOP.

He posts a lot of anti-RINO threads though a quick look confirms they aren't the ONLY threads he posts.

Anyway, should those threads not be posted?

This particular one, Jeb praising Obama for an alleged rare correct position by Obama (merit pay NOT year round school) is not a huge deal imo, but doesn't it give Obama cover? Should this not be discussed? Should McCain's constant fawning over the man who beat him not be discussed? Should the NRCC backing of a trojan horse democrat over a conservative Republican in New York not be discussed?

I think Rabs does not identify as a Republican but I do, and the fifth column of liberals in the GOP is as big a problem as the socialist labor democrats.

[AuntB]

Some rino shill says: “Sure there are problems in the GOP but you people want to throw out all the good solid ones, the Joe Wilson-Demint-Coburn-Pence-Bourn Conservatives over the side with the Rinos. Are you just this clueless that you don’t realize all you are doing with these pr blasts is helping Dems?”

rabscuttle385 says: Let me make this clear.etc.

And may I add, BULL CRAP. We’ll support ANY good conservative! Which Jeb Bush AIN’T! STOP making excuses for these sellouts! STOP WITH THE PARTY FIRST CRAP!
It’s destroying this country.

[bustinchops]

If Jeb (and McCain and others) balanced their nauseating praise with accurate criticisms I might be able to stomach it. As it is, I need a hurl bag.......quickly.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Just shut up, Jeb! Go fishing or something!

[JerryP]

Careful now. rabs doesn’t like his agenda being pointed out. Before you know it, he? will label you a newbie, RINO, and/or retread.

[JerryP]

rabs says he voted for that anti-American loser Chuckie Baldwin. How many votes did Chuckles finally end up with, a whopping 200,000? Regardless if he is telling the truth or not, his non support of McCain and Sarah was the same thing as actively supporting Obama.

[JerryP]

Those last two were meant for you, also.

[rabscuttle385]

rabs says he voted for that anti-American loser Chuckie Baldwin.

Let's see: McCain hangs out at an ACORN/SEIU event in South Florida and tells the "community organizers" that they "make America special"...and you're bitching at me for voting for a real conservative?

Excuse me?

And don't even get me started on his love for La Raza and Albanian Islamofascist terrorists.

Regardless if he is telling the truth or not

And why exactly would you suggest that I'm lying, newbie?

his non support of McCain and Sarah was the same thing as actively supporting Obama.

With that sort of logic, you could also say that I was actively supporting McCain. But, since I'm not George Soros, it's kinda hard for me to support both McCain and Obama (with my vote, obviously) at the same time.

I hereby promise to support the GOP candidate in 2012 no matter who he or she may be

So does that mean you'd vote for a Communist with an R after his name? Are you really that stupid, or are you just a pliant, brainless tool, shilling for your RNC masters?

[DoughtyOne]

I agree with your take on this. I have argued both sides of this argument in the past though, with some extenuating circumstances.

I do understand both sides of the argument, even if I do come down on your side. The left is so fricken bad these days, it’s hard not to vote against them even if your guy is a McCain. Still, I can’t go for the McCain types any longer.

The candidates either stand for the right, or they can go proud sand.

[TigersEye]

You have a way of bringing out the RINOs and Democrat crossover voters who troll here, rabs. No doubt about it. Progressives are everywhere these days.

[AuntB]

A party firster tells rabscuttle385: “I hereby promise to support the GOP candidate in 2012 no matter who he or she may be”

PARTY FIRST!~SIEG HEIL! That’s the scariest thing I’ve ever read on FR and is indicative of all that is wrong in this country.

Just like the unending support for rino’s like Doyle and Frist who are selling us out in support of Obama.

[JerryP]

Chuck Baldwin is a blame America first Ron Paul disciple. You and your kind are not conservatives, but American hating libertarians.

With that sort of logic, you could also say that I was actively supporting McCain. But, since I'm not George Soros, it's kinda hard for me to support both McCain and Obama (with my vote, obviously) at the same time.

Every vote not for McCain put Obama that much closer to victory. Your ilk are just as responsible for that victory as his active supporters.

So does that mean you'd vote for a Communist with an R after his name? Are you really that stupid, or are you just a pliant, brainless tool, shilling for your RNC masters?

The GOP will never elect a commie for office. That's the job of you faileo-cons.

[rabscuttle385]

The GOP will never elect a commie for office.

No, you'll just try to elect one who calls them (e.g., Kennedy, Kerry, Lieberman, Levin, Feingold, Clinton, Obama) his "friends."

[Fawn]

I repeat.

I agree with Jeb.