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Ammo rationing at Wal-Mart as panic buying sweeps US
theregister.co.uk ^ | 9/24/09 | Lewis Page

Posted on 10/05/2009 2:55:57 PM PDT by Kartographer

The USA is suffering the most severe ammunition famine in living memory. Gun fanciers, fearing a Democrat crackdown on every American's right to pack heat, are clearing shelves at ammo shops and hoarding cartridges.

AP reports that the Remington Arms Company's factory in North Carolina is now working around the clock trying to supply insatiable demand for rifle, pistol and shotgun cartridges.

"We've had to add a fourth shift and go 24-7," Remington spokesman Al Russo told the news wire. "It's a phenomenon that I have not seen before in my 30 years in the business."

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


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I wouldn't call in 'panic buying' more like long term investing!
1 posted on 10/05/2009 2:55:57 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

darn


2 posted on 10/05/2009 2:57:26 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Kartographer

I recommend reloading, and casting your own bullets for that matter.


3 posted on 10/05/2009 2:57:28 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Kartographer

Insurance!


4 posted on 10/05/2009 2:57:39 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Kartographer

One day......worth more than gold!


5 posted on 10/05/2009 2:57:56 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kartographer

Eh, Wal-Mart is good for range ammo but for self-defense type stuff I buy elsewhere.


6 posted on 10/05/2009 2:57:57 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Oberon

You gonna make your own primers too?


7 posted on 10/05/2009 2:58:19 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: randomhero97

Up close I betcha a JHP-anything will still smart some.


8 posted on 10/05/2009 2:58:57 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kartographer

Preparation.


9 posted on 10/05/2009 2:59:12 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: Kartographer

www.ammoman.com


10 posted on 10/05/2009 2:59:26 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Gaffer

All I can find at Wal-Mart is the FMJs. It will still put someone on the ground, though.


11 posted on 10/05/2009 3:01:18 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Kartographer
Queue the Obama as firearms salesman of the year picture.
12 posted on 10/05/2009 3:02:20 PM PDT by highlander_UW (To anger a conservative tell him a lie. To anger a liberal tell him the truth.)
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To: Kartographer

If one were building a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded as the military would it take a lot of ammunition?


13 posted on 10/05/2009 3:03:22 PM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: Kartographer
on every American's right to pack heat

These retards make me laugh when they write about guns. Its like the Jamaican Daily News writing about bob sledding.

14 posted on 10/05/2009 3:03:42 PM PDT by MrDem (And this is a loyal lifelong Democrat saying this... Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: randomhero97

You have to go by there every day almost, or at least a coupla times a week. Ask the ‘gun friendly’ associate at the counter when they receive shipments. Not all of the ‘associates’ are gun friendly so it’s good to strike up a conversation with them about hunting etc. If you get a 60 yo grandma or other type associate, they may just bullshit you. Another thing is to go by several WMs whenever you’re out an about.


15 posted on 10/05/2009 3:04:10 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kartographer

I haven’t even started buying yet. I’m waiting for a let up in the 11 months of “panic buying.” I wonder how many millions of gun owners like me haven’t even begun to buy. :-)


16 posted on 10/05/2009 3:05:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Everybody knows it's a spotted dog...)
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To: randomhero97

Hornady hollow point at Walmart is the same Hornady hollow point at the local gunshop. But you probably prefer “french wine” from the ritzy boutique vs. a bottle store, just because of the glitz and glamour retailer it was sold from.

Or ... I’m guessing you don’t have a clue .... But I will give you the benefit of the doubt


17 posted on 10/05/2009 3:06:27 PM PDT by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: Kartographer

This “shortage” has been going on for at least a year and a half. Here is a story from May 2008:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1937422920080520


18 posted on 10/05/2009 3:06:36 PM PDT by DManA
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To: TigersEye

I’m with you. Got enough to make due if I had to but would like to get more and am waiting for the run to end.

Happened to be in Walmart and looked for some .22 rounds, all bricks sold out with sign on the shelf “limit one per customer.”


19 posted on 10/05/2009 3:08:31 PM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: Kartographer
Except for .22's I think I need at least 500 and more like 1000 rounds minimum for every caliber I use. I suppose 5,000-10,000 22's would be about right.

I don't expect I'll ever regret such an investment.

20 posted on 10/05/2009 3:08:53 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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To: Kartographer
This article is so full of factual errors that it is worthless.

.45 ACP ia no less scarce than all of the handgun ammo types.
Walmart corporate has a universal 6 box (of any caliber) limit.
5.56/.223 is not all that hard to obtain and is used by many target shooters.
Shotgun shells are readily available.
While the Fed's have not new laws about ammo, California is a Governor's signature away from draconian ammo limitation laws.

21 posted on 10/05/2009 3:10:45 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: HiramQuick

I know you’re trying to be funny and witty, but I have never once seen a box of Hornady at any of the local Wal-Marts. The local ones don’t carry it or it’s sold out by the time I get there. If they do carry it then it’s a little bit cheaper than the local shops so I would definitely be buying it all up.


22 posted on 10/05/2009 3:10:48 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Kartographer
The article is an unintentional laff riot.

The oh-so-knowledgeable writer commits the following howler:

Text: "Apparently, classic .45 ACP pistol ammunition is especially scarce - a fairly good indication that it is in fact conservative Middle America rather than, say, inner-city criminals buying up all the ammo*."

Footnote: "*Most kinds of .45 have unexceptional muzzle energy and are big and fat, giving fairly poor performance even against light, flexible body armour. It was the standard US military pistol round for a long time and many diehards still swear by it, but people who carry guns for a living - cops, soldiers, criminals - are mostly using other calibres these days. (Some spec-ops troops still use .45, as the bullet is subsonic and thus can be effectively silenced.)"

Aside from its fundamental inaccuracy, Mr. Page apparently has forgotten the British Army dictum of "big and slow" for knockdown (thus the .455 Webley which is both fatter and slower than the .45 ACP but managed to get the job done for the Brits for over 100 years) . . . and apparently doesn't understand that shooting through body armor is not a pressing problem for citizens -- who don't as a general rule shoot at cops or military.

I would rather stand up against 9mm any day of the week, if I had to choose.

23 posted on 10/05/2009 3:12:33 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: muir_redwoods

.22 LR

Not cheap, but available

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/pistol-ammunition-caliber-22.aspx?c=95&s=903&stk=1


24 posted on 10/05/2009 3:13:32 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: Rebelbase
I knew it! I knew it. With 100 million+ gun owners in the U.S. they couldn't possibly all be on buying sprees. heh hehhhh

I supplied myself quite well in the '90s so there is no panic here. But when things loosen up I will definitely do some serious re-stocking. This "run on ammo" might go on for years at this rate. Yeeee haaaaa! it's great to live in America.

Pssssst, hey, Brits. Wanna buy some black market kitchen knives?

25 posted on 10/05/2009 3:15:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Everybody knows it's a spotted dog...)
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To: randomhero97

Same here. Over the past 4 months I have been able to stockpile 2000 rounds of Federal 230 gr .45 FMJ. If I run out of JHP it will do in a pinch...


26 posted on 10/05/2009 3:15:33 PM PDT by Syntyr (If its too loud your too old...)
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To: Kartographer

It’s gotten so bad I had to hire three people to
help me buy ammo, just doing my part for the economy.


27 posted on 10/05/2009 3:16:54 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Oberon

Agreed.

I have not had to pay “high-demand prices” and I have all the ammo/supplies that I’ll ever need.


28 posted on 10/05/2009 3:18:08 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Gaffer

It is true Primers and Powder are a choke point.


29 posted on 10/05/2009 3:21:07 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Kartographer
Amusing if somewhat painful read - this particular author knows nothing about firearms and it shows. For example:

Most kinds of .45 have unexceptional muzzle energy and are big and fat, giving fairly poor performance even against light, flexible body armour. It was the standard US military pistol round for a long time and many diehards still swear by it, but people who carry guns for a living - cops, soldiers, criminals - are mostly using other calibres these days.

Oh, well. Enough that he tried, I suppose. Nevertheless, it irritates me when this sort of superficial fluff is treated as gospel by people who don't know any better, because it's those people who are trying to write laws on the subject.

30 posted on 10/05/2009 3:21:51 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Kartographer

The “panic” is over for the time being, lots in stock and prices have dropped, though not to pre-election levels. Now would be a good time to get what you need.


31 posted on 10/05/2009 3:22:15 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Kartographer

My local Wally World limits customers to 6 boxes of ammo per purchase. fortunately, we have 4 ally Worlds in a 15 mile radius.


32 posted on 10/05/2009 3:22:22 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: TigersEye

Figured I’d start small.But can’t even find BBs’.


33 posted on 10/05/2009 3:22:59 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes
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To: All

.40 is plentiful at WM here. There are always boxes sitting there, and just about nothing else.

I shoot allot of .40, but reload so it does me no good.


34 posted on 10/05/2009 3:25:03 PM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: TigersEye
I supplied myself quite well in the '90s so there is no panic here.

Ditto. Back then a case (500 rounds) went for what some want for two or three boxes (50 rounds) today. WTSHTF, a case might get you a new four wheel drive and few rounds might get a tank of gass.

I got enough 22 LR to keep me in samll game for like ever.

35 posted on 10/05/2009 3:27:27 PM PDT by CPOSharky (Maybe nuclear winter would cure global warming.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

No BBs? Aiyeeeeeee! This is more serious than I thought.


36 posted on 10/05/2009 3:35:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (Everybody knows it's a spotted dog...)
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To: Kartographer

I placed an order through a national dealer September1st for four bricks of .22 LR rounds. They just notified me that they will receive that order at their facility on October 10, and ship to me by the 15th. I ended up paying a bit more than I liked, but I wanted 2K of .22 rounds on hand.

I went out for 2.75” 12 GA 00 buckshot shells the other day, and 25 round boxes are not to be had at any of the usual sources here locally. They have lots of 5 round boxes but no 25’s.

I’ve been looking around online, and there seems to be a fair amount of “former Serbian Army” ammunition for sale from some venues. Anyone ever buy any Serbian ammo? Comments pro/con?


37 posted on 10/05/2009 3:40:20 PM PDT by Bean Counter (No, I am Jim Thompson!!)
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To: CPOSharky
The prices are outrageous. A round of non-reloadable steel cased Eastern-Bloc 7.62X39 is going for as much or more than a high quality U.S. made round of 30.06 did ten years ago.

Had I even dreamed that this insanity would be a reality I would have put away cases of ammo and components and a thousand pounds of good tobacco back then. Solely for an investment.

38 posted on 10/05/2009 3:40:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Everybody knows it's a spotted dog...)
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To: Kartographer

There is no rationing at my Wal-Mart because the a**hats quite selling ammo a few years ago. They won’t even sell .22 pellets or pellet rifles that use .22 caliber pellets. What a bunch of creeps. I get my ammo on line but that will stop soon if Governor AHHHHHnold doesn’t veto the ammo bill on his desk.


39 posted on 10/05/2009 3:46:42 PM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: Oberon

I have trouble buying lead, where do you get yours?


40 posted on 10/05/2009 3:47:17 PM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: TigersEye
The prices are outrageous.

Got that right! .45 range ammo has just about doubled. That's the stuff I use the most of, too. I keep flapping my jaws about that Dillon 550B but this might just do it.

41 posted on 10/05/2009 3:47:33 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AnAmericanMother

It has been a long time since I loaded any .455 Webley but I think it used the same .454 bullets as the .45 ACP and .45 Colt.

You are right tho that the British liked the large and slow revolver cartridges. I think some were around .58 caliber.


42 posted on 10/05/2009 3:52:45 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Kartographer
My Walmart has not had any .38spcl for almost a year and I wander in there weekly. They just laugh when they see me coming (just a block from my house).
43 posted on 10/05/2009 3:58:51 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Kartographer
AP reports that the Remington Arms Company's factory in North Carolina is now working around the clock trying to supply insatiable demand for rifle, pistol and shotgun cartridges

Remington has a promotion going on with rebates for ammo, Remington and Marlin firearms.

REMINGTON REBATES AND PROMOTIONS
(clicky clicky)


44 posted on 10/05/2009 4:03:23 PM PDT by Iron Munro (I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old to take a beating.)
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To: TigersEye
Had I even dreamed that this insanity would be a reality I would have put away cases of ammo and components and a thousand pounds of good tobacco back then. Solely for an investment.

There is a loophole in the recent tax increases signed into law by Obama.

Taxes on roll your own cigarette tobacco went sky high and pounds of tobacco are now $45 and more. But taxes on pipe tobacco did not rise anywhere near as much. So pounds of "pipe tobacco" are still selling for much less than cigarette tobacco.

The difference is that tobacco sold as pipe tobacco is not cut as fine as cigarette tobacco. But, according to our local tobacconist, since the tax increase some of the newly available "pipe tobacco" is cut finer than usual.

Many tobacco shops, both on line and mortar and brick, sell pound bags of cigarette strength tobacco labeled as pipe tobacco for about $15. My local shop has a selection in that price range and the link below is for one online source, but there are many others.

I am not a smoker but know about this because I have friends who do smoke.

SMOKERS OUTLET ONLINE

45 posted on 10/05/2009 4:24:02 PM PDT by Iron Munro (I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old to take a beating.)
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To: yarddog
The .45 ACP bullets are .452 - the Webley bullets really ARE .455.

But most people use the .452 bullets because that's what's available.

The molds for cast bullets will give you an actual .455.

The British theory on stopping power was that a slower moving projectile of greater weight and diameter (you can load 260 grain bullets in the darned thing, and they practically roll out the end of the barrel) would impart all its muzzle energy to the target, while your fast-moving small cross-section bullets 'drill' the target and waste a lot of energy on things beyond.

The Webley was in service for almost 100 years in one model or another, which may be some sort of record, although the 1911 is running it close.

46 posted on 10/05/2009 4:24:22 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I had a Webley for a few year before I was forced to sell most of my collection (I had over 200 guns at one time). It was a nice revolver and I always liked it along with a Webley .32 auto.

The bullets for the Webley, and .45 Colt are basically the same thing. You are right that the Webley used heavy bullets at low velocity. I also had a Ruger which had cylinders for both .45 Colt and .45 ACP. It never knew the difference between .45 ACP or .45 Colt bullet diameter. Actually I think some sources list the .45 ACP as .451 but they are basically all the same thing.


47 posted on 10/05/2009 4:31:16 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Kartographer

Got at least 1000 rounds of .17 HMR to burn in a revolver being that Remingtion recalled my 597 semi-auto. Will only rebate $200.00 on a $350.00 weapon . That REALLY sucks !!!


48 posted on 10/05/2009 4:31:26 PM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

It is true Primers and Powder are a choke point.

Black Powder and cross-bow. Talk about blowing one of those streethood brothas mind, run a cross-bow dart through em.


49 posted on 10/05/2009 4:38:05 PM PDT by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: yarddog
The old Webley is really mostly a curiosity, but it's a ton of fun to shoot.

If you load it up with the big lead bullets and the notoriously dirty Unique powder, you get a real fireworks show -- huge gouts of fire, I mean plumes 6"-12" long, jet out of the muzzle and the forcing cone. Makes everybody on the range turn around and ask, "What in the $#@^&*! was THAT?"

We mostly use the .452 jacketed bullets because it means less cleanup. The barrel leads up in a hurry when you're using the cast bullets.

50 posted on 10/05/2009 4:38:32 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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