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Arctic seas turn to acid, putting vital food chain at risk (Oh noes!)
Guardian, UK ^ | 10-04-09 | Robin McKie

Posted on 10/04/2009 2:45:30 PM PDT by cyst

Carbon-dioxide emissions are turning the waters of the Arctic Ocean into acid at an unprecedented rate, scientists have discovered. Research carried out in the archipelago of Svalbard has shown in many regions around the north pole seawater is likely to reach corrosive levels within 10 years. The water will then start to dissolve the shells of mussels and other shellfish and cause major disruption to the food chain. By the end of the century, the entire Arctic Ocean will be corrosively acidic.

"This is extremely worrying," Professor Jean-Pierre Gattuso, of France's Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, told an international oceanography conference last week. "We knew that the seas were getting more acidic and this would disrupt the ability of shellfish – like mussels – to grow their shells. But now we realise the situation is much worse. The water will become so

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arctic; globalwarming
"This is extremely worrying,"

Yes, if you happen to be gay or insane.

1 posted on 10/04/2009 2:45:30 PM PDT by cyst
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To: cyst

I think I’ll have another beer and ponder my fate.


2 posted on 10/04/2009 2:46:29 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: cyst

Don’t worry, globul warming will save us by melting the ice caps, which will add so much water, it will neutralize the acid.


3 posted on 10/04/2009 2:47:22 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: cyst

Bull Obama.


4 posted on 10/04/2009 2:48:18 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

I’m not a chemist so have no clue how CO2 makes water into acid...hehe


5 posted on 10/04/2009 2:49:12 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: cyst
I saw Sigorney Weaver talking about this same thing last week on Fox and Friends...

...Ms. Weaver was serious as a heart attack, but Steve, Gretchen and Brian were trying really hard not to laugh out loud and be respectful....

....it was fun to watch.

6 posted on 10/04/2009 2:50:01 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: cyst

The vast majority of sheeple living on the planet have never personally seen the Arctic Ocean and never will; making it easy for the envirowackos to tell them anything they want about it. It’s a boiling cauldron off acid now - sure, why not.


7 posted on 10/04/2009 2:51:28 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: cyst

Oh brother.


8 posted on 10/04/2009 2:51:53 PM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: cyst
It used to be a nut or two standing on Times Square holding a an “END OF THE WORLD” sign and ranting like a lunatic.

People would walk quicker to get by and do their best not to make eye contact.

But these days - I bet you can't find those ranting nuts in Times Square anymore.

Now there are probably one or two happy people holding a “Relax Everything Is Alright” sign.

9 posted on 10/04/2009 2:53:51 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (riO)
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To: eclecticEel

Sir, I’ll have you know that President Obama is well versed in the PH of the waters off of the “archipelago of Svalbard”. How dare you sir. How dare you.


10 posted on 10/04/2009 2:55:36 PM PDT by cyst
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To: cyst
Certainly human caused CO2 emissions are the most likely explanation. Those volcanoes that erupted under the Arctic in the last decade had NOTHING WHATSOVER to do with that, or with the arctic ice melt. We need to control the way people live, in order to save the planet!!! /sarcasm

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080627-sea-volcanoes.html “The eruptions discharge large amounts of carbon dioxide, helium, trace metals and heat into the water over long distances, he said. “

11 posted on 10/04/2009 2:57:44 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: eclecticEel

It’s a fairly well established mechanism where CO2 dissolves in water to form a very mild carbonic acid. All through the Mississippi valley are numerous caves in the limestone bedrock that formed from mildly acidic rainwater percolating through millions of years ago. Now the eco-freakos want to ‘dispose’ of CO2 by pumping it underground into porous rock where is can enter into solution in the aquafer water. If they think that natural CO2 will be a hazard to shellfish, what happens when CONCENTRATED carbonic acid dissolves the limestone out from beneath our cities?


12 posted on 10/04/2009 2:59:00 PM PDT by blindsangamon
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


13 posted on 10/04/2009 3:01:31 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: B.O. Plenty

My favorite Fox person, Brian, wasn’t serious, his last remark to her was something like, “we should keep an eye out for plankton especially if you are a blue whale”


14 posted on 10/04/2009 3:08:15 PM PDT by maranatha
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To: blindsangamon
"what happens when CONCENTRATED carbonic acid dissolves the limestone out from beneath our cities?"

I'm guessing the only cities where they'll try this are the liberal ones. Is it terribly wrong of me to feel some desire to encourage this particular behavior?

15 posted on 10/04/2009 3:08:31 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: cyst
> seawater is likely to reach corrosive levels within 10 years.

The nice thing about these doomsday cultists is that they always give us 10 years. Whether it's the ozone hole, global warming or oceans turning to acid, it's always 10 years in the future.
16 posted on 10/04/2009 3:11:43 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (Obama lies.)
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To: cyst

Stop all sewage treatment to make sure that pee reaches the ocean to neutralize rhe acid!


17 posted on 10/04/2009 3:14:39 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: BinaryBoy

Seawater is plenty corrosive already...! LOL


18 posted on 10/04/2009 3:19:22 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: Army Air Corps; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

19 posted on 10/04/2009 3:20:22 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison!)
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To: cyst

umm... sea water is already corrosive and acidic. what’s the story here?


20 posted on 10/04/2009 3:27:16 PM PDT by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: cyst

Acid rain redeux


21 posted on 10/04/2009 3:28:55 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: cyst

Excuse me but doesn’t cold liquid hold CO2 naturally?

And what shellfish live in the arctic?


22 posted on 10/04/2009 3:37:38 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could be Farts)
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To: boomop1

OH NOOOO we are DOOMED Messiah please help us save the world.More Bs from the left. gimmie another Heni and a cold glass.


23 posted on 10/04/2009 3:38:06 PM PDT by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: cyst

I don't know why I posted this pic, it just seemed like the right thingy dingy toodo.

24 posted on 10/04/2009 3:40:42 PM PDT by MaxMax (Obama can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: MaxMax

“pissin in the waters of life” L0L


25 posted on 10/04/2009 3:41:28 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could be Farts)
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To: the anti-liberal

Actually its a giant MENTOS causing the explosive release of carbon dioxide.


26 posted on 10/04/2009 3:42:26 PM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: mylife
And what shellfish live in the arctic?

Ah, you've never seen Deadliest Catch, I see...

At any rate, I would think that even if there is merit to this rather overheated argument, it should be fairly easy to engineer a solution; surely there would be some kind of base that could be dumped into the Arctic to neutralize the acid.

27 posted on 10/04/2009 3:45:09 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: denydenydeny

Thats at the edge of the arctic.

Anyhow. The water is fine.


28 posted on 10/04/2009 3:48:32 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could be Farts)
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To: MaxMax

29 posted on 10/04/2009 3:49:38 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Truth is called hate by those who hate the truth.)
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To: MaxMax

Can you get that in plaster. I have been threatening to convert my back yard to a plaza with a fountain, this is it.


30 posted on 10/04/2009 3:49:50 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: the anti-liberal

Well the obvious solution is to pass the cap and trade/cap and tax bill.

And don’t forget to buy your carbon credits, if you have money left over after your energy costs and utility bills skyrocket with cap and trade.


31 posted on 10/04/2009 3:50:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: BinaryBoy
it's always 10 years in the future.

10 because that's the number of fingers they happen to have. I wish humans had 8 fingers instead, a power of two. That would have made for a more natural measuring system, easier math conversion with computers, and for things like stock market auctions where bidders often meet sellers half way.

32 posted on 10/04/2009 3:51:15 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Little Bill
Heh, place one over your front door that says “no Soliciting”.
33 posted on 10/04/2009 4:18:02 PM PDT by MaxMax (Obama can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: MaxMax
It was a private joke, when my Stepbrother bought a house in Georgetown, Mass, very up tight town, his father in law offered him a couple of Stone Lions for the driveway.

My Step Brother hated the Idea and being the lunitic Italian and Marine that he is accepted the two lawn jockies that I gave him.

34 posted on 10/04/2009 4:53:03 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: cyst

How can any rational human being take these fools seriously any longer?


35 posted on 10/04/2009 5:13:51 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: denydenydeny

“base that could be dumped into the Arctic to neutralize the acid.”

How about a couple of 10-billion ton Alka-Seltzer tablets?;)


36 posted on 10/04/2009 6:20:49 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: clee1

“rational human being”

Their numbers are shrinking. Proof: Obama is President;)


37 posted on 10/04/2009 6:23:53 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: cyst
There's a movie coming out about this, and Sigourny Weaver narrated it. She appeared on "Fox & Friends" last week, and absolutely refused to talk about anything else. In fact when Gretchen asked her about a movie that she's in, SW rather rudely informed her that she'd be back in December to discuss it, and then right back to the "burning oceans."

Mark

38 posted on 10/04/2009 6:45:18 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Reeses
10 because that's the number of fingers they happen to have. I wish humans had 8 fingers instead, a power of two. That would have made for a more natural measuring system, easier math conversion with computers, and for things like stock market auctions where bidders often meet sellers half way.

Back in college, without realizing it, I began to balance my checkbook in octal. Not a good thing.

Mark

39 posted on 10/04/2009 6:48:48 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: cyst

Yawn...


40 posted on 10/04/2009 6:51:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (MSM BIAS: the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell)
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To: cyst

It’s getting harder to tell the difference between Scrappleface and Guardian articles.


41 posted on 10/04/2009 8:25:04 PM PDT by Amadeo
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To: boomop1

May as well spent all my savings. I’ll surely not live to old age.


42 posted on 10/04/2009 8:27:37 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: cyst

“More carbon dioxide can dissolve in cold water than warm,” he said. “Hence the problem of acidification is worse in the Arctic than in the tropics, though we have only recently got round to studying the problem in detail.”

Up until 1990 this would have made sense, since then the waters of the poles have been warming and would therefore be less likely to continue taking up more CO2 by his reasoning; perhaps any increase he may have found recently or expects to find could be coming from the sediment at the sea’s bottom.

Or he is a dry seat sailor.


43 posted on 10/04/2009 10:07:46 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: cyst

I don’t think this guy knows how much water is in the ocean.


44 posted on 10/04/2009 11:12:51 PM PDT by TheThinker
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To: cyst

It is my understanding that at given atmospheres CO2 converts to liquid. As the liquid surfaces in the Polar Regions the freezing temperature should convert this liquid CO2 to dry snow or dry ice depending on the volume. This dry ice or snow is more stable than H2O ice and should add stability to the Polar Regions.

I don’t see the concern the French have.


45 posted on 10/05/2009 12:40:43 PM PDT by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: DonaldC

Its called carbolic acid. Carbonates, as anyone with an aquarium knows will buffer the water and not allow the Ph to lower. There is so much carbonate in the oceans, that if we tried with all our technology to acidify them, we could not. This is just another scare tactic with no foundation in reality.


46 posted on 10/05/2009 5:59:01 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: FunkyZero

The Ph of the oceans is over 8 which makes it Basic. The ability of mankind to turn it acid is ... nil.


47 posted on 10/05/2009 6:03:35 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: eclecticEel

None of the Oceans are acidic and nothing mankind can do within the foreseeable future could possibly change that.


48 posted on 10/05/2009 6:08:37 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: cyst
Arctic seas turn to acid, putting vital food chain at risk

OMG Pickled herrings!

49 posted on 10/05/2009 6:10:54 PM PDT by steveo (Two Thousand Ten - Never Again)
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To: blindsangamon
It’s a fairly well established mechanism where CO2 dissolves in water to form a very mild carbonic acid. All through the Mississippi valley are numerous caves in the limestone bedrock that formed from mildly acidic rainwater percolating through millions of years ago. Now the eco-freakos want to ‘dispose’ of CO2 by pumping it underground into porous rock where is can enter into solution in the aquafer water. If they think that natural CO2 will be a hazard to shellfish, what happens when CONCENTRATED carbonic acid dissolves the limestone out from beneath our cities?

I hate to be so, but this is just silly, carbolic acid would have a hard time dissolving limestone, calcium carbonate. What would it do replace one carbon atom with another?

50 posted on 10/05/2009 6:25:58 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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