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Editorial: Palin vs. the GOP establishment
The Tribune-Review, Pittsburgh, Pa. ^ | 2009-10-04 | John Browne

Posted on 10/04/2009 1:57:22 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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The libertarian movement within the Republican Party, led by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, is gaining ground fast, to the acute embarrassment of the party establishment.

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In essence, libertarian conservatives stand for small government, small business and personal freedom. This translates into lower taxes, increased employment and increased prosperity. These were the policies of President Ronald Reagan and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Listening to mainline Republican Party spokespersons, people could be persuaded to think Republicans are libertarian. However, recent Republican actions show them to support big government, big business and increasing control over people. This has resulted in higher taxes, massive unemployment and a potentially catastrophic fall in consumer confidence and demand.

Indeed, public sentiment often blames Republicans directly for the current economic problems facing most Americans. Tarnished, they must restore their image. They also need a candidate who appears to represent real change from the increasingly loathed "Washington."

Sarah Palin is definitely from outside Washington. Also, she is an attractive woman, filled with self-confidence and proven magnetism.

However, the Republican Party is deeply split between the traditional big-government establishment and the small-government libertarians...

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At present, it appears that Palin is disapproved of very strongly by the powerful Republican establishment. So far, they have fired against her only the relatively mild political arrows of ridicule and the leaked branding of her as a phony.

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However, polls show an increasingly strong resentment of big government.

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If the Republican Party establishment truly wants to regain power, it may have to accept a route led by a libertarian and decidedly "provincial" woman. They may wince, but Sarah Palin may be the only one capable of returning them to the White House.

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(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


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1 posted on 10/04/2009 1:57:23 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: bamahead; djsherin; SolidWood; Sarah Barracuda
If the Republican Party establishment truly wants to regain power, it may have to accept a route led by a libertarian and decidedly "provincial" woman. They may wince, but Sarah Palin may be the only one capable of returning them to the White House.

*Ping!*

2 posted on 10/04/2009 1:59:53 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Kick corrupt Democrats *AND* Republicans out of office in 2010!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Palin’s appeal is largely a reflection of conservative discontent with the RNC. NRCC, and NRSC. The more the GOP elites bash Palin the more conservatives will embrace Palin.

Yesterday, I received junk mail from the RNC and John McCain’s PAC asking me for money. I will use their envelopes and reply back to them with this message:

My Money is going to buy Palin’s book.


3 posted on 10/04/2009 2:02:46 PM PDT by yongin
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To: rabscuttle385

Now this is an honest assessment and makes perfect common sense :)


4 posted on 10/04/2009 2:02:49 PM PDT by Lilpug15 (The Forgotten Man: He works, he votes and he generally prays - but He Always Pays": Sumner)
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To: yongin
"...John McCain’s PAC..."

Eschew JUANnabies.

5 posted on 10/04/2009 2:10:08 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: yongin

I ordered Sarah’s book from Amazon.com.


6 posted on 10/04/2009 2:10:11 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I thought this is what the Republicans were supposed to stand for namely small government, small business and personal freedom. There were some Republicans that backed big business, Robert Taft comes to mind, but the Republicans were supposed to stand for a less intrusive Federal Government and more personal freedom with financial responsibility. I think Palin may fill the bill among the national candidates. Bush et al jumped the track on many items.

Palin also has the advantage that she is a lifetime NRA member and she hunts and fishes. What could be closer to our roots.


7 posted on 10/04/2009 2:11:24 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: rabscuttle385
Time for the GOP to go the way of the Whigs... Sarah... Time for third Party. Lets bury this Rino disease.
8 posted on 10/04/2009 2:11:29 PM PDT by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: yongin

That was a good thing ya done, there, youngin!!!


9 posted on 10/04/2009 2:12:10 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Homeland Defense" begins at HOME!!! He who hesitates, is LOST!!!)
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To: rabscuttle385
If the Republican Party establishment truly wants to regain power, it may have to accept a route led by a libertarian and decidedly "provincial" woman. They may wince, but Sarah Palin may be the only one capable of returning them to the White House.

Yep, and it's probably the ash heap of history for the Republican party if they fail to woo Palin to take the top spot.

I think her terms are going to be tough, I know mine are if they ever want my vote again.

10 posted on 10/04/2009 2:12:25 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..
Another analysis on this.

In her Hong Kong speech, Palin spoke as a libertarian Republican capitalizing on the increasing support shown for Ron Paul's politics...But is Palin really a libertarian or has she been pandering to her libertarian conservative audiences?



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
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11 posted on 10/04/2009 2:12:38 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: rabscuttle385

There is little difference between RINO’s and Democrats. The RINO’s would just as soon slam this so-called “healthcare” bill down our throats if any had the balls to do so....instead they’re happy to let the Liberal Dems do the dirty work and then capture the presidency in 2012 and proceed to “feast on the spoils”....


12 posted on 10/04/2009 2:14:07 PM PDT by mo
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To: rabscuttle385
libertarian movement within the Republican Party, led by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, is gaining ground fast

I pretty much stopped reading right there.
13 posted on 10/04/2009 2:14:37 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: rabscuttle385

On the other thread...there are some major thongs in a bunch over the mere suggestion ... tee hee.


14 posted on 10/04/2009 2:14:45 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: yongin
I be ahead of you, two copies pre release!
15 posted on 10/04/2009 2:14:56 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: rabscuttle385

My money is on Sarah and the First Dude.


16 posted on 10/04/2009 2:16:48 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: Bob Eimiller
I agree the RINO-virus needs to be expunged. However, if Palin were to try it via a third party both she and the virus would succumb.

It will be interesting to see if there is ANYONE at the RNC still capable of completing a thought.

I think Palin or someone who becomes as popular as she she is among the base might be able to run the RINOs out of the RNC and save the Party. A third Party can't win and if the Democrats win, even by default, the nation is finished. If the nation is finished, nothing else matters.

17 posted on 10/04/2009 2:19:23 PM PDT by stevem
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To: rabscuttle385
If the Republican Party establishment truly wants to regain power, it may have to accept a route led by a libertarian and decidedly "provincial" woman. They may wince, but Sarah Palin may be the only one capable of returning them to the White House.


18 posted on 10/04/2009 2:22:20 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: rabscuttle385

Sarah hasn’t helped herself by taking advice from Randy Scheunenemann, Trent Lott and John McCain’s former foreign policy advisor.


19 posted on 10/04/2009 2:22:30 PM PDT by Nephi ( Bush legacy: "I had to sacrifice free market principles to save the free market.")
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To: rabscuttle385

If memory serves me, when Palin was elected Governor of Alaska, her first targets were the RINOs. I’ll bate the RINOs in Washington are scared of a repeat performance.


20 posted on 10/04/2009 2:24:49 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/media/pdfs/20090723ACORNReport.pdf)
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To: Bob Eimiller

If the rats were smart they would contribute big $ to the LP.


21 posted on 10/04/2009 2:25:07 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Elective Despotism was not the government we fought for - James Madison)
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To: stevem

Don’t wait on her. We the grassroots must start the purge. I’m doing my part in supporting the true conservative in this state for the US Senate.


22 posted on 10/04/2009 2:25:30 PM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: rabscuttle385

If memory serves me, when Palin was elected Governor of Alaska, her first targets were the RINOs. I’ll bet the RINOs in Washington are scared of a repeat performance.


23 posted on 10/04/2009 2:25:33 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/media/pdfs/20090723ACORNReport.pdf)
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To: stevem

I’ve been saying that other than Palin being the next president, nothing would make me happier than to see her oust Steele and take over the reins of the GOP. I don’t know how that process works, but those dumba**es better figure out quick that she is just about all that’s keeping conservatives in the fold.


24 posted on 10/04/2009 2:26:26 PM PDT by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: rabscuttle385
In the last Presidential election the Libertarian Party candidate received approx 59,000 votes nationwide. Those voters would be wise to check Sarah Louise Palin-Republican on their ballots in 2012.
25 posted on 10/04/2009 2:27:58 PM PDT by jla
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To: Bob Eimiller

Rush feels a third party will never win and that we must go back to our conservative roots. Problem is the RINO’s have been leading the party for too long. In the end even Bush became a RINO.


26 posted on 10/04/2009 2:28:52 PM PDT by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: ohiogrammy
Jorge Bush, like his father, was a RINO from the get go who gave us just a few conservative actions. But from his expansion of Feds in "Kennedy Education" bill at the very beginning to CFR to open border to pro-amnesty to TARP (to name a few) and so much more.

Reagan had same situation and I'm confident sarah can do the same within the Repub party.

Rush, as usual, is right re: 3rd party will guarantee obozo a 2nd term...and many more.

27 posted on 10/04/2009 2:34:34 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: jla
Those voters would be wise to check Sarah Louise Palin-Republican on their ballots in 2012.

As long as it's not...

Palin/Romney
Palin/McCain
Palin/Graham
Palin/Huckabee
Palin/Jeb Bush
Palin/{some RINO...or a Bush...or a Rat...}

You get the picture here...

28 posted on 10/04/2009 2:34:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Kick corrupt Democrats *AND* Republicans out of office in 2010!)
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To: ohiogrammy
This Rino disease is terminal... SARAH dump the diseased McCainites and go third party. You have 2 1/2 years to bury both far leftists ... the DmarxRats and the RinoPublicans. The middle, (the Independents) ... is stronger than BOTH right now... Now is the time!
29 posted on 10/04/2009 2:36:10 PM PDT by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: OCCASparky

Same here,RP has some good ideas but he has one foot in the looney bin.


30 posted on 10/04/2009 2:36:32 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("The RNC needs to understand that we no longer accept the RINOs' slower death of American liberty.")
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To: rabscuttle385

bookmark


31 posted on 10/04/2009 2:37:20 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Going Rogue: An American Life is now #1 at Borders Books. The 3 biggest online booksellers are now dominated by Sarah Palin. WalMart is also advertising pre-release orders, and I suspect they are doing a brisk business.

All the Palin haters, Steve Schmidt, Mike Murphy, etc., are all out in force trying to stave off the tsunami that is coming with the final release of Palin’s book. I suspect Murphy, Schmidt, and company may very well never be heard from or taken seriously again after Nov 17th.


32 posted on 10/04/2009 2:37:32 PM PDT by euram
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To: rabscuttle385
PALIN/BOLTON ... 2012
33 posted on 10/04/2009 2:38:28 PM PDT by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: yongin
Every person I know or have met since the election who voted Republican voted for Sarah Palin with one exception.

They had no interest in John McCain at all. Obama would have won by a landslide if Sarah was not McCain's running mate.

34 posted on 10/04/2009 2:41:33 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: rabscuttle385
This article assumes a lot. Sorry to disappoint you, but Ron Paul and libertarianism is not becoming a force within the GOP.

By definition a libertarian is a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Reagan did not embrace libertarianism. And calling Palin a libertarian Republican is an oxymoron.

35 posted on 10/04/2009 2:41:33 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: ohiogrammy
Rush actually said that if the Republican gained control of both the Congress and Senate, and had a Republican in the WH, and THEN did not cut the size and scope of govt, he would lead the movement to a third party. . . . . . . . America is waiting Rush.....

IMO the Republican party is in a coma, on life support even. You never know what will happen, but a quick shot to the head would probably be the best for it.

36 posted on 10/04/2009 2:43:56 PM PDT by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: bamahead

Mrs. Palin, I respectably suggest to you:

DON’T YOU DARE say one word of praise about Rep. Paul....if you do, 90% of your once-loyal base will turn their back on you in a heartbeat! I think it’s safe to say that they would rather have Obama as President than someone who likes Ron Paul.


37 posted on 10/04/2009 2:44:41 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: runninglips; ohiogrammy
Rush actually said that if the Republican gained control of both the Congress and Senate, and had a Republican in the WH, and THEN did not cut the size and scope of govt, he would lead the movement to a third party. . . . . . . . America is waiting Rush.....

Source? Link?

38 posted on 10/04/2009 2:45:05 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Kick corrupt Democrats *AND* Republicans out of office in 2010!)
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To: rabscuttle385
By themselves, the libertarians cannot field a winning candidate.

A republican candidate might also lose enough disaffected republicans to a libertarian and/or independent candidate. IN that scenario, democrats win and republicans (and everybody else) lose.

Why not forge an alliance, "liberican" if you will, that can being all of the republicans and libertarians and independents together so that we can truly take back the country?
39 posted on 10/04/2009 2:46:07 PM PDT by adorno (Where is Branch 4?)
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To: euram
I suspect Murphy, Schmidt, and company may very well never be heard from or taken seriously again after Nov 17th.

Well, we're not taking the back stabbing fifth columnist RINO bastages seriously, now if they would only STFU!

Steve Schmidt - not to be confused with Mr Clean.

Mike, "Open Mike" Murphy, another POS Quisling backstabber Dem loving butt boy.

40 posted on 10/04/2009 2:49:09 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: BuffaloJack

That’s it! Corruption any where and she is against it - either side of the aisle. No more beltway boys clubs, perks, etc. She truly will clean house and THEY KNOW IT!!


41 posted on 10/04/2009 2:49:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: yongin
We use to send the RNC and many brand name conservatives $$$. They all proved to be like Bush and the rest of the Rino pubbies who are no different then a Kennedy.

We as a family vote for and donate only to individuals who are proven Conservatives.

Many disagree with me but it is better to let a full blown socialist (Obama) drop us into hot water then to let a Romney or McCain place us in luke warm water and cook us slowly.

We are seeing now Americans who voted for the Socialist recognizing their true agenda and rejecting it full force. Thank God Barry is an Egomaniac.

42 posted on 10/04/2009 2:51:32 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: euram
Listen all:

I'm a contributor to SarahPAC, she's featured on my Facebook page, and she's my early choice for 2012.

HOWEVER

She has to show that she can put up with, and overcome, all the mud that's coming her way once it's clear she wants to play.

Right now, we HOPE she can, some of us BELIEVE she can, but she has to walk the walk better than she talks the talk - and if she can't, I'm prepared to change horses.

43 posted on 10/04/2009 2:52:06 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: mazda77
I’m doing my part in supporting the true conservative in this state for the US Senate.

We don't have many true conservatives running for much of anything in Minnesota. We haven't for a long time.

Well, we have John Kline and Michele Bachman who are as good as any and better than most, but I don't live in either the 3rd or the 6th District.

I don't know how you oust clowns from the RNC. I haven't contributed anything to them for about three years. I will send money to Kline and Bachman. I will also buy the Palin book.

I think Republican winners worth supporting will need to speak to the electorate over the Party, not through it. I fear that if a candidate can't do that were are finished as a nation. The Democrats abdicated long ago and the Republican hierarchy wants to join them.

If Palin or someone like her can't get the job done right now, there won't be anything left to repair.

44 posted on 10/04/2009 2:52:57 PM PDT by stevem
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To: yongin
We use to send the RNC and many brand name conservatives $$$. They all proved to be like Bush and the rest of the Rino pubbies who are no different then a Kennedy.

We as a family vote for and donate only to individuals who are proven Conservatives.

Many disagree with me but it is better to let a full blown socialist (Obama) drop us into hot water then to let a Romney or McCain place us in luke warm water and cook us slowly.

We are seeing now Americans who voted for the Socialist recognizing their true agenda and rejecting it full force. Thank God Barry is an Egomaniac.

45 posted on 10/04/2009 2:53:17 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: rabscuttle385
This was pre-Bush, and I never saw it written down, I heard it while listening to his show. Someone had asked him about third party movements, and his belief that Republicans would turn the country around after years of growing govt.

There must be others that heard the same thing, but I have only my word and I assure you it happened.

46 posted on 10/04/2009 2:54:38 PM PDT by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: Bob Eimiller
Time for third Party. Lets bury this Rino disease.

Are you aware of how difficult it is to start a VIABLE third party? To be effective you must be registered and certified in each state. Each state has their own rules for establishing a political party but all require petitions with lots of signatures from registered voters. That takes a lot of time.

Even Ross Perot couldn't get on the ballot in some states.

47 posted on 10/04/2009 2:55:16 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: stevem

With the upcoming governor’s races and the conservative surge in 2010 will draw out those conservatives who will finally have a chance on the populism of those who came before. Have heart and let those who are considering the run to know they have your support. A tidal wave does not come on shore all at once.


48 posted on 10/04/2009 3:01:16 PM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: rabscuttle385

It seems like the RINOS and the Conservatives are fighting over ownership of the name “Republican”...which is a little curious since the brand has been so tarnished.


49 posted on 10/04/2009 3:01:22 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (The trouble with trouble is it starts out as Utopia)
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To: rabscuttle385

Here’s what I have to say to Palin doubters and Palin haters: if you think she would be a disaster if nominated then donate to your candidate of choice and promote him or her.

Do you see Palin supporters wasting breath talking about Romney and saying “oh please, please I’m begging you not to nominate this guy waaaaaah”?


50 posted on 10/04/2009 3:03:01 PM PDT by toddausauras
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