Posted on 10/04/2009 9:06:48 AM PDT by loveliberty2
The authors of the U.S. Constitution intentionally made it open to interpretation so that it could be adapted to meet changing societal issues, Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy said Thursday in Norman.
"I think (they) sensed that they were on the edge of world history, but they were cautious and they knew it was difficult to rise above injustices and inequalities of their own time," said Kennedy, who is often viewed as the swing vote on the Supreme Court.
Kennedy addressed about 1,500 University of Oklahoma College of Law alumni and students at the centennial celebration for the college at the Embassy Suites Hotel and Conference Center.
Kennedy was the keynote speaker at the event. He participated in a fireside chat with OU President David Boren, who praised Kennedy as he introduced him.
"He's one of the most important persons on the court laying out the importance of individual liberties," Boren said. . . .
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Oh brother..........it just never stops with these America haters.
“Constitution Open to Interpretation” would mean that the Constitution is worthless, precisely what is required in order for greedy Big Government to expand.
What is their (living constitution proponents) explanation for those things called “amendments?”
While I don’t agree with his “living Constitution” comments, I was encouraged by his comments regarding educating the population regarding our system. With that, people can figure it out for themselves.
“Kennedy said that Thomas Jefferson said democracy requires “virtuous, enlightened people.” It’s evident, he said, that young people in the U.S. are not being educated about the history of this country or the freedoms they possess.”
They indeed did understand that adaptations might be required. That is why they put in:
There is no other way to adapt the Constitution.
This is the clod we got instead of Bork.
Thank you ted kennedy. I hope you are enjoying Hell.
Dr. Berns quotes the Founders themselves on Kennedy's claims. See for yourself, and share with others.
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"Until the people have, by some solemn and authoritative act, annulled or changed the established form, it is binding upon them collectively, as well as individually; and no presumption or even knowledge of their sentiments, can warrant their representatives [the executive, judiciary, or legislature]; in a departure from it prior to such an act." - Alexander Hamilton In the first of the eighty-five "Federalist Papers," Alexander Hamilton emphasized that:
The Framers knew that the passage of time would surely disclose imperfections or inadequacies in the Constitution, but these were to be repaired or remedied by formal amendment, not by legislative action or judicial construction (or reconstruction). Hamilton (in The Federalist No. 78) was emphatic about this:
The Congress, unlike the British Parliament, was not given final authority over the Constitution, which partly explains why the judicial authority was lodged in a separate and independent branch of government. In Britain the supreme judicial authority is exercised by a committee of the House of Lords, which is appropriate in a system of parliamentary supremacy, but, although it was suggested they do so, the Framers refused to follow the British example. The American system is one of constitutional supremacy, which means that sovereignty resides in the people, not in the King-in-Parliament; and the idea that the Constitution may be changed by an act of the legislature--even an act subsequently authorized by the judiciary--is simply incompatible with the natural right of the people to determine how (and even whether) they shall be governed. Unlike in Britain where, formally at least, the queen rules by the grace of God (Dei gratia regina), American government rests on the consent of the people; and, according to natural right, the consent must be given formally. In fact, it must be given in a written compact entered into by the people. Here is Madison on the compacts underlying American government:
Neither civil society (or as Madison puts it, "the people in their social state') nor government exists by nature. By nature everyone is sovereign with respect to himself, free to do whatever in his judgment is necessary to preserve his own life - or, in the words of the Declaration of Independence, everyone is endowed by nature with the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of a happiness that he defines for himself. Civil society is an artificial person (constituted by the first of the compacts), and it is civil society that institutes and empowers government. So it was that they became "the People of the United States" in 1776 and, in 1787-88, WE, THE PEOPLE ordained and established "this Constitution for the United States of America." In this formal compact THE PEOPLE specified the terms and conditions under which "ourselves and posterity," would be governed: granting some powers and withholding others, and organizing the powers granted with a view to preventing their misuse by the legislative, the executive, and the judicial branches alike. WE THE PEOPLE were authorized by natural right to do this, and were authorized to act on behalf of posterity only insofar as the rights of posterity to change those terms and conditions were respected. This was accomplished in Article V of the Constitution, the amending article, which prescribed the forms to be followed when exercising that power in the future.
The Framers had designed a constitutional structure for a government which would be limited by that structure - by the distribution of power into distinct departments, a system of legislative balances and checks, an independent judiciary, a system of representation, and an enlargement of the orbit "within which such systems are to revolve" And to the judges they assigned the duty, as "faithful guardians of the Constitution," to preserve the integrity of the structure, for it is by the structure (more than by "parchment barriers") that the government is limited. It would he only a slight exaggeration to say that, in the judgment of the Founders, the Constitution would "live" as long as that structure was preserved. The Enduring American ConstitutionNow, almost 200 years later, one can read Hamilton's words in Federalist No. 1 and conclude that, under some conditions, some "societies of men" are capable of "establishing good government," but that most are not. This is not for lack of trying; on the contrary, constitutions are being written all the time - of some 164 countries in the world, all but a small handful (seven by the latest count) have written constitutions - but most of them are not long-lived. In September 1983, the American Enterprise Institute sponsored an international conference on constitution writing at the Supreme Court of the United States; some twenty-odd countries were represented. With the exception of the Americans, the persons present had themselves played a role - in some cases a major role - in the writing of their countries' constitutions, most of them written since 1970. Only the constitution of the French Fifth Republic predated 1970; and the Nigerian, so ably discussed and defended at the 1983 conference by one of its own Framers, had subsequently been subverted, much as the four previous French republican constitutions had been subverted. It would seem that many peoples are experienced in the writing of constitutions, but only a few of them - conspicuous among these the people of America - have an experience of stable constitutional government. In that sense, we surely have "a living Constitution." That is not, however, the sense in which the term is ordinarily used in the literature of constitutional law as shall be explored herein. Treating The Constitution As
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.Are the members of the Supreme court getting ready for Dancing with the stars?
SHUT UP!!!!! At least pretend you might not have an agenda....please SHUT UP your Honors!!!!! You know that speed limit sign ahead? I am thinking maybe they meant 50+/- 10 miles per hour...Laws don't matter, legal agreements don't matter WTF. Sorry for the poor language acronym but really folks right?
I have an idea. If kennedy is correct, that the Constitution is open to interpretation, then his term is open to interpretation. Life term can mean what ever we mean.
hence the swing vote problem
Of course the Constitution needs to be interpreted, that’s why we have the Supreme Court. The question is whether it gets interpreted correctly.
Not trying to be the posting police, I just thought you might be interested in the comments on that thread.
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No Kennedy is Open to leave.
We need to regain the house and remove him.
And, by the way, the link to "Our Ageless Constitution," the 292-page book on the principles of the Constitution, from which Dr. Berns' essay comes, did not work. Sorry! It is here
"On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:449
"Strained constructions... loosen all the bands of the Constitution." --Thomas Jefferson to George Ticknor, 1817. FE 10:81
"One single object... [will merit] the endless gratitude of society: that of restraining the judges from usurping legislation."
Constitution Open to Interpretation means that five people (or possibly only one person) can control everything.
So much for eternal verities!
Sorry for the double post. I searched, but apparently used the wrong terms. Anyway, is is such an important topic right now that it may even deserve another look. Thanks!
In rereading Kennedy's statement, this statement is pertinent to your observation:
'You don't take a DNA test to see if you believe in freedom, it's taught,' Kennedy said."
Herein may lie a profound difference between the prevailing philosophy of Justice Kennedy and those whose world view holds to the premise that the love or desire for freedom (liberty) is inherent in the human spirit, and that individuals must be coerced (or 'taught,' using Kennedy's words) to be submissive to power excercised by others.
Early generations of Americans were, by their nature, seekers of liberty, lovers of liberty, and, by their written Constitution, agreed to "self government," only as long as those in positions of power were bound down "by the chains of the Constitution."
From Edmund Burke's "Speech on Conciliation" in 1775 to Tocqueville in the 1820's this devotion to liberty of the Americans was apparent. It is for that love of liberty that citizens have died.
Then, somewhere along the way, America's youth and its adult citizens began to be "taught" by their government officials that they needed to depend on and be "governed" by elected and appointed folks in Washington, D. C.
Recently, we are seeing a reawakening in the youth and elderly of that spirit of liberty. Does that mean that the Kennedys' and the "government's" hold on the minds of citizens is being overcome by what Burke called "the fierce spirit of liberty" in the hearts of Americans?
Just some observations, following a second look at the significance of what Kennedy said. Yes, neglect of the teaching of the founding ideas to the nation's youth has resulted in ignorance of knowledge of their Constitution. But, of equal importance is the fact that those who gain power by promising "goodies" have been teaching citizens how to become slaves to government.
Correction to last post—that’s “Tocqueville in the 1830’s. . . .”
All Jefferson was saying is to interpet the constitution simply...but that still requires some interpretation.
Why is it that you insist the consitution be interpreted simply then “trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it” to Kennedys statement?
What he said is straightforward, the Constitution needs to be interpreted. There is nothing insidious or evil in this remark, it is abject reality.
I tell you what my concern is is when others TELL me what the Consitution is SUPPOSED to mean based on their own opinions and preconceptions as if my opinion is not worthy of consideration or it’s own respect. I always look at issues like this if they were happening from the other side, for instance Obama, the DNC or Hillary TELLING me what it means and then rejecting all debate on the matter.
The only crisis we have to fear is when there IS NO debate on the meaning of the constitution. You think that would be great because you assume your interpretation will prevail. As we have seen, that isn’t always the case.
Thanks for that eternal verity!
If the Constitution was designed to be "open to interpretation," then there ARE NO "individual liberties," for the simple reason that any liberties that one might think one has could be "interpreted away."
What the founders did was create a Constitution that could be changed through a laborious amendment process, in order to force the nation to be really serious about any changes.
This whole "living constitution" line? well, do you hear that grinding noise in the background? It the founders spinning in their graves.
Mark
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