Israel names Russians helping Iran build nuclear bomb

UK Times Online ^ | Oct 4, 2009 | Staff

[VRWCTexan]

Netanyahu, has handed the Kremlin a list of Russian scientists believed by the Israelis to be helping Iran to develop a nuclear warhead. He is said to have delivered the list during a mysterious visit to Moscow.

[PGR88]

targetted assassination when these people travel internationally would make them think twice about helping Iran.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Mossad needs to get busy. Pour encourager les autres.

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

Enabling muslim nations can backfire. Guess the Russians have forgotten that time when the Germans got cozy with the Ottoman Empire.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

We said the same thing.

[SolidWood]

It would be quite an irony if any Jews were among them...

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

The Germans sent Lenin into Russia to destablize them during World War I. How’d that turn out for you?

[SolidWood]

The Ottomans turned on the Germans?

[mazda77]

Wanna bet that is the main reason for Israel making it known to the Ruskies they have the goods and names of those complicent in their scheme. Any reasonable person knows when the top man in Israel delivers a list of names to someone that those people are being watched and will eventually be targeted if nothing is done to pull them back.

[Walkingfeather]

sounds like we are going to see some russian scientists looking like swiss cheese in a couple weeks.

[SolidWood]

If so... why would the Israelis make it public!?

[familyop]

Russia has a few military friends in its Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO: members listed below). Iran has "observer" status in the organization.

The following excerpts are from the CIA World Factbook

Russia

Religions:
Russian Orthodox 15-20%, Muslim 10-15%, other Christian 2% (2006 est.)
note: estimates are of practicing worshipers; Russia has large populations of non-practicing believers and non-believers, a legacy of over seven decades of Soviet rule

Kazakhstan

Religions:
Muslim 47%, Russian Orthodox 44%, Protestant 2%, other 7%

Kyrgyzstan

Religions:
Muslim 75%, Russian Orthodox 20%, other 5%

Tajikistan

Religions:
Sunni Muslim 85%, Shia Muslim 5%, other 10% (2003 est.)

Uzbekistan

Religions:
Muslim 88% (mostly Sunnis), Eastern Orthodox 9%, other 3%

Belarus

Background:
Government restrictions on freedom of speech and the press, peaceful assembly, and religion remain in place.

Religions:
Eastern Orthodox 80%, other (including Roman Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim) 20% (1997 est.)

Armenia

Religions:
Armenian Apostolic 94.7%, other Christian 4%, Yezidi (monotheist with elements of nature worship) 1.3%

[familyop]

Here's some history in an excerpt from PalestineFacts.org:

What led to the Six Day War in 1967?

Military Provocation By Arab Countries and Soviet Disinformation

At the same time, and unknown to the Israelis, the Soviet Union mounted a disinformation campaign pushing Egypt to join Syria against Israel. At that time, the Soviets were providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt. On May 13, 1967 a Soviet parliamentary delegation visited Cairo and informed the Egyptian leaders that Israel had concentrated eleven to thirteen brigades along the Syrian border in preparation for an assault within a few days, with the intention of overthrowing the revolutionary Syrian Government. This was a complete fabrication designed by the Soviets to destabilize the Middle East. Similar false information may have been given to Egypt by the Soviets as early as May 2.

The build up and aggressive intent were denied by Israel. UN Secretary General U Thant reported that UNTSO observers on the Syrian border:

   ... have verified the absence of troop concentrations and absence of noteworthy military movements on both sides of the [Syrian] line.

Nasser probably correctly interpreted the Soviet information as an indication to him that the time was ripe for an attack on Israel and that he had their backing. With the United States deeply distracted by the War in Vietnam, the Soviets had reason to think there would be no US intervention. Nassar then abandoned his former cautious policy and took the lead for new aggression against Israel. Syria and Iraq eagerly joined Egypt's preparations, increasing the momentum toward war.

[jeltz25]

Exactly. This is a last attempt. If nothing is done, some of those scientists will not be long for this world. They did the same thing in 81. People know about bombing the reactor, but most don’t know that a handful of key scientists were also killed as part of the process.

I don’ know why they’d warn Putin, though. Now they will all be tipped off. Unless they’re 100% confident in the surveillance abilities.

[mazda77]

“Unless they’re 100% confident in the surveillance abilities.”

The Mossad has virtually a 100% record on getting their man. No worries here, mate!

[mazda77]

Why not, everyone knows what is happening and maybe it went public after Putin called them all back. The Isrealis make it a habit of letting the wrld know what it is they accomplished once teh deal is done. Kind of like the Syrian nuke plant attack. Thye kept the lid on it until they knew they had gotten it all. The funny thing is the Syrians were trying to keep a lid on it to spare themselves the embarrasment.

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

No, the Germans and the Ottomans ganged up on the Russians. Much to the later regret of the Germans and the Ottomans!

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

Well, let’s see. I probably wouldn’t have been born if they hadn’t.

[shield]

Wonder what else was shown to the Russians? I have an idea.

[pctech]

Well it’s about time someone started implicating Russians in helping Iran with their nuclear ambitions. If anyone still doesn’t think Russia wants to stir up trouble in the Middle East, just keep your eye glued to the news.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

I almost certainly would not have been born if the Japs hadn’t attacked Pearl Harbor. (Relating to how my father and mother met.) Nonetheless, I don’t think the world was a better place for the Second World War. Of the Soviet Empire.

[grey_whiskers]

This is a signal that they will militarily attack the installations, then go after the knowledge which *would* have been needed to re-build them.

Cheers!

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

I hope you’re not suggesting that I implied that the world was a better place due to the first World War.

[shield]

Qom facility. It's buried deep - so deep that probably only nerve gas dropped with penetrator weapons down the ventilation shafts could do the job.

Plus the urban location means a lot of civilian casualties, regardless of whether anyone cares about blasting an ersatz "holy" city.

Which means the Israelis now must shift their strategy from an attack on the Mullahs' nuclear facilities to an attack on the Mullah regime itself. There is a term for this. It's called a Decapitation Strike.

Wipe out the Presidential Palace, the HQ of the Al Quds and Pasdaran forces, the Basiji offices, the command-and-control centers, collapse the regime, incapacitate it from reasserting its authority. The Mullah regime would be history in 24 hours. During the resultant anarchy until a new government is formed (or governments, as Iran may well break apart), commando teams can be inserted to demolish the nuclear facilities on the ground.

I know this is being considered - but will Bibi give the final thumbs up? Only Bibi knows. Per Jack Wheeler

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Not at all. The Germans actually sent Lenin in during the Great War and the tactic worked for them in the short run. The Revolution knocked Russia out of the War. Of course, thirty years later they were probably wishing they hadn’t. Most people living in the West today can probably trace their origins in some way to the upheavals of the middle twentieth century, for good or ill.

[Storm Cloud]

And if Russia turns to Israel and the United States and warns against an attack on Iran, what next?

Hint: We are not going to risk a confrontation with Russia over Iran.

I suspect that they've already given the warning. Which is why both countries have nothing left to do except talk about the possibility of an attack.

[rahbert]

actually it was Lenin that planned the trip, germans approved only after some deliberation.

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

That’s very interesting.

[grey_whiskers]

Turn it around.

If you were Russia, would you risk conflict with the U.S. over Iran?

Despite Obama, the US retains the capability to take on the rest of the world combined (conventional arms only).

And Russia knows this.

Cheers!

[Parley Baer]

Meanwhile, Andrea Mitchell NBC News reports about the progress Obama has make with regard to Iran and the nukes. Sure Andrea, keep on dreaming along with your friends in the rest of the state run media. Buffoons all.

[PA-RIVER]

Russia would love to see us bloodied up.

They are also working with Chavez, Joe Kennedys buddy.

With our Communist Kenyan pussbag in the whitehouse, they run the table.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Israel is said to have done that to Gerald Bull, the designer of the Iraq "Super Gun".

[StolarStorm]

It would be a good start, but I'm not sure bombing the facilities would wipe out the Mullah regime. I'm sure they are expecting an attack and have provisions in place to be dispersed.

Now of course, if such an attack gives the green demonstrators a chance to exert themselves... that would do it. But I'm not sure we can rely on the protesters.

Sadly, this is looking more and more to me like it would require a full scale invasion... God help us.

[RolandOfGilead]

"Despite Obama, the US retains the capability to take on the rest of the world combined (conventional arms only)."

which means absolutely nothing when dealing with Russia. US can't touch Russia without ensuring the destruction of the planet. and you wouldn't want that to happen, would you?

[grey_whiskers]

Do you think Russia would risk nuclear war with the US over Iran?

I don't.

[myknowledge]

A full scale invasion of Iran is not only not viable, it goes against the prophecy in Ezekiel 38 where Persia (Iran) will send its army against Israel in the Russian-led assault on Israel (in which the Israelis would eventually clash with the invaders for a little while before fireballs from heaven rain down on them).

[mkjessup]

Actually it was Lenin that planned the trip, germans approved only after some deliberation.

German General Von Ludendorff (? spelling) reportedly provided an entire freight car full of gold to assist Lenin in financing the revolution after arriving in St.Petersberg. Lenin and the boxcar left Bern via sleeper car.

Ironically, it was our own Allen Dulles (first director of the CIA, 1953 to 1961), who was working for the State Department in Switzerland who reviewed and then rejected Lenin's application for a visa to the United States, and refused to meet with Lenin at 4:00 pm on a Friday afternoon because he (Dulles) had a prior tennis appointment, thus Lenin headed off to Russia and as Paul Harvey might say "Now you know the rest of the story."

[VRWCTexan]

Agreed - makes a lot of sense

Thus whenever guys like Gates whine and opine that somehow a strike on Iran will, at best case, only delay Iran's nuclear plans by a couple of years - I start screaming at the TV

[SunkenCiv]

Report Says Iran Has Data to Make a Nuclear Bomb
New York Times | October 3, 2009 | WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER
Posted on 10/03/2009 1:21:37 PM PDT by maquiladora
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2354257/posts

[TomasUSMC]

should have handed them the heads.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Excellent! The next ‘Arkady Renko’ Soviet mystery by Martin Cruz Smith coming right up!

Wish I were a writer; the plots just write themselves these days. :(

[OldNavyVet]

The winds of war are blowing strong.
Tis not the time to “get along.”

[Karliner]

There’s more than Russian’s helping to build the bomb...but it’s a start...this is old news, years old.

[headstamp 2]

“Well it’s about time someone started implicating Russians in helping Iran with their nuclear ambitions. If anyone still doesn’t think Russia wants to stir up trouble in the Middle East, just keep your eye glued to the news.”

Russia got this whole ball rolling in the first place with Iran. These maniacs are destabilizing the entire Middle East over this. It’ll start an arms race there.

[Candor7]

The Russians obviously still want to control the Gulf and the oil that flows through it to the West.

This will spring back at them one day. Iran will set a few off around the Caspian.

[EGPWS]

Do you think Russia would risk nuclear war with the US over Iran?

Yes, with the Village Idiot as POTUS.

[Rapscallion]

Hint: We are not going to risk a confrontation with Russia over Iran.

Can you back that up? Or is it merely your opinion? Vital issues are at stake here. Israel is not willing to allow its own destruction. Before Obama I would have said we will not allow the destruction of Israel either....now, I just don't know.

[xzins]

All nations against Israel

[Norman Bates]

“the US retains the capability to take on the rest of the world combined (conventional arms only).”

You’re one hell of an optimist.

[blue-duncan]

“All nations against Israel”

Does that mean I don’t have to pay my mortgage this month?