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Court orders government to pay for water losses
Contra Costa Times ^ | 10/2/9 | Mike Taugher

Posted on 10/02/2009 7:21:48 PM PDT by SmithL

The federal government must compensate two regional water authorities for water diverted to preserve the environment, a federal appeals court ruled this week in a landmark decision that could open the floodgates for agencies who contend the government is taking water from them for fish.

After a 16-year legal battle, the 2-1 decision came down as California is coping with a drought and new environmental rules that are cutting into the water supplies of farmers and cities across the state. The ruling appears to create an opening for San Joaquin Valley farm districts that are lashing out at environmental regulations to seek payment for water lost to environmental needs.

Whether the districts are entitled to recover damages from the government will depend on language in their water contracts, why specifically water was not delivered and issues beyond the scope of the decision handed down this week, lawyers said.

The ruling, by the U.S. Court of the Appeals for the Federal Circuit, appears to be the first in which an appeals court has concluded the government has breached a water contract when water is diverted from contractors to environmental needs.

(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; education; farmers; healthcare; military; obama; obamacare; palin; veterans; waterwars

1 posted on 10/02/2009 7:21:49 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Wow! A little sanity from the court system. Kind of refreshing for once.


2 posted on 10/02/2009 7:23:26 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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Yes!!!
3 posted on 10/02/2009 7:24:09 PM PDT by SmithL (The Golden State demands all of your gold)
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To: SmithL

Hmmmm....so how will this affect the Obomba Admins desire to remove dams on the Klamath River????


4 posted on 10/02/2009 7:28:03 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Democrat party has always been the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism and surrender)
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To: SmithL

They will appeal and more time will pass while the farmers watch their lives dry up and blow away. This is agood ruling, but it isn’t the last of it.
Then again, when has the bam admin ever paid attention to the rule of law?


5 posted on 10/02/2009 7:29:14 PM PDT by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1.)
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To: SmithL

VERY NICE.


6 posted on 10/02/2009 7:31:25 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: SmithL

This needs MEGA FR attention!!!!!!!


7 posted on 10/02/2009 7:35:14 PM PDT by nagdt ("speak the truth but leave immediately afterward")
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To: SmithL

Big time kudos to Paul Rodriguez. Good job big guy!!!


8 posted on 10/02/2009 7:35:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I don't remember Americans being called "racists" when we fought against Hillarycare.)
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To: SmithL

I hope the turn on the dang water. Of course we’ll never hear the end of it from Sean. LOL


9 posted on 10/02/2009 7:45:09 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (ACORN is going down, down, down~!!!! Finally~!!!!)
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To: Parley Baer

Except that is it the American citizens who have to pay for the policies of the envirowhackos.


10 posted on 10/02/2009 7:50:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You’re right. We are at fault. We are left unloading our pockets in order to pay for the pain and suffering caused to the farmers, and to clean up the mess caused by the whacko environs.


11 posted on 10/02/2009 7:57:08 PM PDT by Snapping Turtle
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To: SmithL

I’ve always thought you would see MUCH less of this eviro nonsense if there was a law in place saying the government had to pay anybody affected by one of these rulings TRIPLE damages for any economic loss or loss of property...


12 posted on 10/02/2009 7:58:15 PM PDT by apillar
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To: SmithL

The federal government is at least 20 times as large as it should be to meet its constitutional obligations.

After the FDR power grab many wise people complained about the growing intrusion of the federal government and a corresponding loss of states rights but were ridiculed and brushed off. The left and the media successfully planted the idea that protecting states rights was a regressive idea with possible racist underpinnings.

Now, much of the cost of that short sightedness will be paid by our kids and grandkids - or maybe it will bring about the fall of the Republic before that.


13 posted on 10/02/2009 8:01:48 PM PDT by Iron Munro (You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat - Claire Wolfe)
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To: Iron Munro

All that gov’t ain’t gonna fill your belly when there’s no food left.. pity the idiot tree huggers can’t see that.


14 posted on 10/02/2009 8:05:24 PM PDT by Mmogamer (<This space for lease>)
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To: SmithL

They need the WATER - money for stolen water will not get the crops growing again.

Turn the WATER ON...


15 posted on 10/02/2009 8:16:39 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: SmithL
why so happy, this wont stop the government from diverting the water for little minnows, it will just force the government to print more money to pay off the farmers, driving up our national debt and inflation.
16 posted on 10/02/2009 8:16:44 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: Snapping Turtle

The WHACKO Environmentalists should pay. Not us hard working taxpayers!!!


17 posted on 10/02/2009 8:22:09 PM PDT by Senormechanico
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Swordmaker; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

So, instead of restoring the water, the gov’t can continue to steal it, just has to pay for it, iow, expropriation.


18 posted on 10/02/2009 8:26:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Snapping Turtle

It is a shame that the whackos who made the decisions cannot be personally held accountable for the devastation their policies wreak on the good people.


19 posted on 10/02/2009 8:28:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: apillar
I’ve always thought you would see MUCH less of this eviro nonsense if there was a law in place saying the government taxpayers had to pay anybody affected by one of these rulings TRIPLE damages for any economic loss or loss of property...
20 posted on 10/02/2009 8:29:41 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Mmogamer
All that gov’t ain’t gonna fill your belly when there’s no food left.. pity the idiot tree huggers can’t see that.

When the goverment cheese runs out the fireworks will start.
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21 posted on 10/02/2009 8:37:00 PM PDT by Iron Munro (You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat - Claire Wolfe)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I guess it never ocurred to them to just keep the water flowing and just breed the stupid limpdik endangered fish species in a fish farm, until they had so many of the worthless endangered species they could open a chain of sushi bars


22 posted on 10/02/2009 10:36:46 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I don’t know why it hasn’t occurred to any of these farmers to take the fight right to the envirowackos’ doorsteps. If they can do it to AIG, I don’t know why a couple of busloads of farmers and their families can’t storm the doors of the Sierra Club or their supporters.


23 posted on 10/02/2009 10:41:44 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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So when Feinstein’s cronies buy up the land for pennies on the dollar as farmers get subjected to inflated land value tax liens, compensation for the injustice will be paid by taxpayers.

Here’s a better idea: the enviro groups and their corporate backers should pay.


24 posted on 10/03/2009 12:25:16 AM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: SmithL
The damages should come directly from the personal assets of environmental lawyers and their murderous clients.

The communists will not stop their attacks on humans until their own selfish existence is directly at stake.

25 posted on 10/03/2009 12:45:36 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: SmithL

Wow, two important pieces of good news in one day! Blame it on Rio!!


26 posted on 10/03/2009 3:31:21 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: SmithL

I doubt if this is finished in the courts. I fully expect appeals. Still, it’s a nice victory.

Turn on those pumps!


27 posted on 10/03/2009 3:43:49 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: SmithL

Of course, this past summer’s crops are a lost cause.


28 posted on 10/03/2009 3:44:26 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I am wondering. You might have something there. While they may not be able to get a suit against a Sierra Club rendered, they might actually be able to bring suit against the contractor who made this travesty happen.

Many of the regulations are written to include consequences to those affected by poor/bad decisions and or require some level of compensation.

A new mall was built on a wetland. The contractor had to create a new wetland a few miles away. They take too long to do this...they can be sued.

RCRA has cradle to grave and beyond consequences. An environmental professional can be held personally accountable years later.

They, meaning some environmental professional, reviewed and recommended the water be completely turned off to an entire valley. If one were to complete an, Environmental Impact Assessment, as the result of the denial of water on not just the farms, but the entire region a suit most likely could be brought. They have degraded not just the farms, but the environment around the farms to such a point that negative impact is being experienced throughout the environ and ecosystem.


29 posted on 10/03/2009 3:53:55 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: EBH

You mean the gummit could turn on the folks who instigated it in the first place... sweet.


30 posted on 10/03/2009 4:59:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I don't know if “turn on them” is exactly what one would want to say, but if obvious negative impacts are the result of “junk environmental science,” then the regulations appropriately applied should relieve the situation to the benefit of both environments.

Environmental law and lawyers work on both sides of issues. It seems to me there has been a larger negative impact on the environment than to the fish. Working from inside the regulations there should be a path of recourse available. First would be to establish the negative EIS for the region. Region meaning not just the farms, but the entire valley and its prevailing ecosystem. Second, the commerce clause might be explored and investigated for applicability and impact.

The Endangered Species Act was not designed to save only one at the expense of the entire ecosystem.

(4) the United States has pledged itself as a sovereign state in the international community to conserve to the extent practicable the various species of fish or wildlife and plants facing extinction, pursuant to— http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/laws/esa.pdf

“...conserve to the extent practicable,” the question to be asked in this case is how we are conserving the fish and is it practicable?

If not, then the actions taken are outside the scope of the ESA and should not hold valid standing in court.

I am not a lawyer, but I am a retired EHS person....oh and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night either.

31 posted on 10/03/2009 5:59:15 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: SmithL; Grampa Dave; marsh2

Was this ruling from a earlier diversion that went into the Trinity River from Trinity Lake to appease the Indians and CalTrout? Normally the water was pumped over the hill to Whiskey Town reservoir and released into the Sacramento River destined for the farmers on the West Side...


32 posted on 10/03/2009 6:06:41 AM PDT by tubebender (Santa Claus is always jolly cause he knows where all the bad girls live...)
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To: tubebender

“Normally” 100% of the water flowed down the Trinity. 80%+ was diverted and sent down the Sacramento system instead of the Trinity to the Klamath. The Hoopa got a ruling reducing that Sacramento diversion to 50%, but that was several years ago. The topic is a “third rail.” We are never allowed by the agencies to discuss the fact that some of the Klamath’s water/salmon problems might be the diversion of its largest tributary south.

This could be good news for the upper Klamath basin irrigators. They lost their suit for compensation for water shut off and sent down the Klamath for fish. This was strange to me because their water use rights were deeded as a part of their homesteads. The BoR was not the water rights holder in these cases, just the water manager. Perhaps this ruling will mean a revisitation of that case.


33 posted on 10/03/2009 9:42:33 AM PDT by marsh2
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