Posted on 09/30/2009 9:58:27 PM PDT by rdl6989
A majority of American Jews support military action against Iran to prevent the Teheran regime from obtaining nuclear weapons, a new study claims.
Asked if they would support American military action, 56% of American Jews said they would, while just 36% opposed it, according to the American Jewish Committee's 2009 Annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion.
An even greater number support Israeli military action against the Iranian nuclear program, with 66% in favor and just 28% against.
The survey, which polled 800 representative American Jews and was conducted by Synovate between August 30 and September 17, also dealt with US-Israeli relations, worries over anti-Semitism and identity.
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Shocking /s Since they help to put Israel in this position to being with.
78% of US Jews backed the muslim in Nov 2008. These people hated Bush even though Bush was a strong supporter of Israel and Bibi. Bibi’s tour of America drew the largest crowds at big churches. Far bigger than the crowds he drew at temples.
Sorry too late - you blew it as did 50+% of Kennedy Notre Dame (pro abortion) Catholics and liberal Protestants.
We warned you Hussein had Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood moles in his camp plus other virulent anti-semites. You did not listen. Liberal Jews still love Hussein as do ignorant union Catholics.
Israel’s military can deal with it now plus the Saudis, India and the Islamo-facist loving UN. I am friends with conservative Jews who left Europe because they “get it.”
Seems rather a contradiction, since they overwhelmingly supported (and voted for) a guy who does is not concerned with Israel’s security?
Let them do it then!
They helped elect this POS and now want the US to protect them?
Cut off all aid to Israel, and the moslem-Israel problem will be history in a month. Guess why?
well why the F did they vote overwhelmingly for the appeaser?
nice to know that while they don’t mind destroying the US they will at least grow a pair for their kinsmen in Israel
thanks for nothing
maybe Spielberg can make an ambiguous movie about it when Israel does what they have the full right to
I wonder what non American Israelis think about American Jews (most of them) today?
back in my Israel days, the old line Ladino types thought American Jews were soft...but they didn’t like all the European Jews who streamed in after the Holocaust all that much either
ironic...the Saudis give IDF flight path and now American liberal Jews are ok with it...lol
they need to go get some Katushya therapy and wake their silly asses up as to just how perilous it is over there
for that matter they can take Ron Paul with them..and Jim Trafficant
So do we go against the Bible and abandon Israel because they crapped in their socialist mess kit again, or join them and blast the rags into hell where they belong? I have to always look out for America. I want God's Grace on the US. I don't think we can join the enemies of God and keep our standing with God. The Jews have had good rulers and bad rulers and have paid the price throughout history. They will be saved in the end and we are instructed to support them,........no matter what. I'm in favor of blasting rags wherever they are found. I am convinced we are at war till Jesus comes. There will be no winner of this war. There is no surrender. We may as well take as many out as possible till Jesus comes.
I was struck by Glenn Beck today talking about the 12th Madi coming out of a well to kill Infidels and rule the world. I haven't had a chance to look up the verses yet, but I believe I can find the "Beast" crawling out of the bottomless pit to commit war on Christians and attempt to rule the world somewhere in Revelations. Seems the rags worship the Beast if he comes from a well in the earth.
“Cut off all aid to Israel, and the moslem-Israel problem will be history in a month. Guess why?”
Israel won’t have America breathing down her neck to stop her, thats why.
The American Jewish Community can BITE ME.
For years, liberal Jews in the United States have walked around lecturing us about “cowboy diplomacy” and the evils of the American military.
And they’ve voted and given money to peaceniks, Communists, Socialists all while looking down on average people like myself.
They voted Obama full well knowing he loves terrorists, the Nation of Islam and militant Muslims.
Next election cycle won’t be any different.
They wanted it. They got it. NOW THEY CAN ROT IN IT!
As the Bible says: You reap what you sow.
You know it. The minute we stop paying the Israelis to stand pat, the will CHARGE AND DESTROY. We stop Aid to Israel and the very next day, every stinking moslem Country on Earth will send a delegation to Israel begging for mercy.
Eventually the Jews are going to have to do what the rest of the world will have to do to survive. Annihilate Islam.
There have been many Religions that have been dumped into the the dust bin of history, and it needs to be done again with islam.
A couple of years ago, I was banned for 6 months for saying that. It appears the the rest of the free, and sane world is finally catching up to reality. There can be no peace on Earth while Islam exists.
oil and gold will spike once this happens.
and yes, it will.
Israel would have to be suicidal to let iran continue.
You mean Jews now are leaving Europe?
Did you see that crazy interview Sean Hannity had with Trafficant? That guy sounded like a nutcake.
did you hear where Beck said the little nutjob from Iran knows and talks to the 12th Imann. Maybe that is why Iran is acting so cocky. Things could go bad real fast if they think they can bring on the 12th Mahdi. and as far as Catholics go, me being one, there were many who did not vote for Obama. They would be the conservative Catholics.
Yeah, I've had this argument ad nauseum. Seems some Catholics feel there isn't a real problem in the Church when you have over 60% voting for Obama and Pelosi, Kennedy, Biden, Kerry, and many more Catholic "leaders" seem to keep getting away with, well, EVERYTHING, and the Church loves them. Weren't your cockles warmed during the Kennedy love fest? If you say anything you are "Catholic bashing", and if you keep quiet, you just make excuses for the Church falling apart. If I've heard it once, I've heard it a million times that these aren't "real" Catholics. Well, kick them out! Oh NO! They are famous and tithe pretty good. I'm really having alot of problems with the Church, not the pukes that warm the pews.
I know I'm guilty of heresy, but this is becoming a huge problem for me. It's my problem I will have to work out, but the problem is with the Church teaching one thing and accepting the other. Read the problems in the Corinthian church. Paul said to throw the sinners out after confronting them. I have to wonder if the pope even confronted Pelosi when she paid him a visit. Sorry, this is just a big thing for me. We have cardinals, priests, and bishops that just seem to go along to get along. If everybody in Boston is Catholic, how do we have Kerry, Kenedy, Bwarney Fwank, re elected year after year.
Gotta go, I'm starting to throw things.
Time for Israel to stop depending on, and in some cases being held back by, the United States. Either bomb or get off the pot, I’m sick of hearing about it.
The American Jews never trusted the protestant conservative
and yet the protestant evangelical and others have been the back bone of Israel’s support. But the liberal Jews tend to regard conservatives as the enemy.
Did electing Zer0 give them a sense of moral accomplishment?
Are these People directed by a sense of guilt, social justice? Don’t they understand the people they support,the leftist, will eventually become their jailers?
Good post
Ed Koch (ex NYC mayor) said years ago-—
“Jews live like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans”
They didn't vote over 60% for Obama and Kerry lost the Catholic vote. Catholics are a swing vote. They're almost always within a few points of 50/50. No comparison between the Catholic, Jewish and Black vote (even less so when donations are figured in).
what do :
Karl Marx
Saul Alinsky
George Soros
and Rahm Emanuel
have in common ?
As a student of a Catholic high school, the Sisters of Loretta taught me, I am pleased to be at an institution of higher education with such strong and celebrated Catholic and Jesuit traditions . . . You see, I got my Master's Degree at Notre Dame. (Boos.) I acquired a passion for the fighting Irish . . . and my family has been college educated and Presbyterian ever since. (Laughter and applause.) . . . I wandered into a course on international politics taught by a Czech refugee who specialized in Soviet studies, a man who had a daughter by the name of Madeleine Albright. With that one class, I was hooked. I discovered that my passion was Russia and all things Russian.
All four were/are apostate Jews.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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I've seen polls as high as 62%-65% for Obama. I think you are dreaming about Catholics voting less than 50/50 for Obama. Do you think it was a bunch of Alabama cracker's that voted for Obama?
Kerry votes consistently for abortion and has been in office for decades in Mass. Are you saying Catholics are voting against him?
As I indicated in my post, There are many Catholics in denial believing they are righteous as a group, but indications are they vote like pagans. There are many good Catholics, but I don't believe they are united any more. The Church is split and it is growing. There is some sort of smugness that allows Catholics to delude themselves into believing, "It's always someone else, somewhere else."
Next Sunday, go around your parking lot and observe the bumper stickers on the cars. They may not even have an "Obama" sticker on their car, but many will have some sort of "save the planet" sticker or some other left wing diatribe on the ole mini van. A quick conversation would reveal they support Green Peace or some other crap to indicate they didn't vote for candidates that support life.
If the priest can't get better than 50/50, then can you be proud of the church? Is the message too weak? Are the church fathers trying not to run people off? Are they worried about sinking tithe, or their souls?
There are individual Catholics and some churches that are fine, but as a whole, you indicated you were satisfied that Catholics voted 50/50 for Obama. I see failure there. Many Catholics are satisfied when IMHO, they should be OUTRAGED! You know who I'm talking about, (aka the ones that want women priests, etc.) A close examination of some parishes reveals a greater schism than anyone seems to believe. There are priests that should be removed, and nothing seems to happen to them. There aren't enough priests now, so the church overlooks the "Father Phlager" types. All I have to hear is "Jesuit" and 90% of the time they want to overthrow the government and install Hugo Chavez Jr.
Just as an experiment, count the Catholics in the House and Senate. Then deduce how many are liberal and vote for abortion and homo marriage. It should prove my point. I use the same names all the time because they are prominent Catholics. Where are the calls for Pelosi to be disciplined?
Believe me I get queasy saying these things about the church, but I can't hide my head in the sand anymore. I always get a " Catholic Basher" label if you say anything against the church, but I'm weary of watching the church stick it's collective head in the sand. We have growing problems and it will come to a head at some point. I've had problems with this for years, but when Kennedy sided with Hugo Chavez on TV for heating oil, I went literally crazy. I'm frightened, ashamed, and angry. Open your eyes and your heart and do a head count as I suggested, and you should have the scales removed from your eyes that the church is in trouble and the fathers are turning their heads.
I'm not dreaming because I never wrote that. Obama won the Catholic vote. I said Catholic are a swing vote. They are up for grabs every year. Jewish and Black votes are not.
I've seen polls as high as 62%-65% for Obama
Those polls were wrong. Anyone who gets that percentage of the Catholic vote wins in a landslide. Obama got 54% tops. Among Catholics who attend Mass one or more times a week, he lost. Your polls sound more like the Hispanic Catholic vote which does consistently vote 60%+ for Democrats.
Kerry votes consistently for abortion and has been in office for decades in Mass. Are you saying Catholics are voting against him?
They did in 2004. He lost the Catholic vote that year. He did squeak out a 1% win among Catholics in his own state however.
Probably FALSE! There are only 2 conservative Jews left in America nowadays. 80% voted for Hussein Obama.
The original post was about the Jews voting against themselves. I was just pointing out that others had done the same. The Catholic vote SHOULD be enlightened with teachings against liberal dogma. The Jews very existence depends on correct voting, and they voted to die. I'm just pointing out Catholics will at some point be facing the same choice. Women, in some places, could be facing Sharia law. Blacks will continue to be chained to the Democrat plantation. Just look at the cities that are controlled by the Democrat machine( even with black mayors and police chiefs), and the results for their votes. Whitey isn't the one beating students to death in the streets of Chicago with lumber. Last summer, there were more murders in Philly than in Baghdad. I haven't checked on Detroit. There may not be enough blacks left there to top the latest murder rates.
We now face Catholic hospitals being forced to perform abortions to stay open. What will hospital administrators do? What will the church do? My bet, if the past can be trusted, they will say we have to help the sick and save the jobs of thousands of employees, so what's a few dead babies compared to that? God, please prove me wrong.
Again, you make excuses for the church again. Hispanic Catholics are the real problem? How about women Catholics? How about anybody but white male non Irish with other than red hair? I'm sure we could find some sub group that voted 80% for McCain. My comments are for the church as a whole. We need some shake ups in command to fix this split in the church and the church just sits there on it's hands and turns away so they can pretend there isn't anything wrong. If you think there isn't a problem, that's ok. I can't convince anybody that has their eyes closed. I'm just observing there are BIG problems and they won't be in the background forever. I use the examples of Pelosi, Kerry, any Kennedy, and Biden, just to make my point. You say yourself that a candidate can't win without Catholics, and look at the mess we are in today. Somebody isn't voting the teaching of the church or the church is teaching the wrong dogma. I am calling for the Church to take a stand and publicly discipline some visible targets to make a point to the others that we aren't watering down God's Word for political purpose. You can't preach "life" on Sunday and welcome baby killers into the flock. They need to be "culled from the flock". A little leaven, leavens the whole lump.
No it isn't. In America, 60% is considered a landslide. 55% is a solid win. Only FDR, LBJ and Nixon, in recent history, won landslides. (although Reagan is generally considered,with 58.8% in 1984 to have achieved the goal because he won 49 states).
Again, you make excuses for the church again.
Not making excuses. This is the reality of the vote. Been involved with it for decades and it is most frustrating that "social justice" (as well as constituent services) hypnotizes so many Catholics that they overlook everything else. Only thing that compares to it are the evangelicals who tell me during get out the vote drives that they are not of this world and it doesn't matter who wins.
Far as the Jewish votes are concerned, that Democrats receive 60% (against Reagan) to 78% (for Obama) is beside the point. What hurts the GOP are the handful of donors (donors, I believe, who are way, way to the left of most Jewish Democrats) who contribute vast sums to the party. Republicans have nothing to counter that. There are no conservative counterparts to the Sandlers, Bing, Soros and Obama's campaign finance chair Penny Pritzker. Took over 100,000 conservatives donating to the Swift Boat Vets to make up for what Soros gave Kerry.
Welcome aboard! We don't really disagree that much about the problem. The question is what to do about it. My opinion is the church is turning their heads thinking they maybe shouldn't make waves. I live in Texas, so I am in the majority in many issues, but the rest of the country( really California and the NE) cancel my vote and many others on the national issues. I can't vote Kerry or the Kennedy's out, but Mass Catholics could. They don't and won't. Somebody should draw some lines in the sand and mean it. You won't be able to convince me that the powers that be aren't corrupt. Just a guess on my part that the Kennedy family picks the church leaders in that area. The only other explanation is a church split where Jesuit's control everything. Whenever you hear of a priest murder in Central or South America, it always ends up a Jesuit that was running guns for some Chavez wanabe. Father Phlager is an example in Obama's church. He is just sorry he can't be a member and remain Catholic. They had the chance to kick him out and passed on it. Either way, the church needs to shake things up and insist they get involved to the point of naming names of people that had better conform to the church instruction or meet discipline.
I have a fantasy in my mind of the excommunication of Biden, or any Kennedy, Pelosi would be fine also. It should be public and nasty. Instead I get nothing but the same ole same ole. All this says to the public is the church is weak and wrong, and I can take sacraments and kill babies.
Can't we all just get along?..................no.
Good! What I do is praise their church. They don't get a lot of that from non-Catholics. I'm sincere about it too. We have Catholics to thank for so much--for the universities and scientific advances of the middle ages, for throwing back Islam at Poitiers, Lepanto and the gates of Vienna. Encyclicals such as QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS and DIVINI REDEMPTORIS said to socialists what Buckley said in the 1950s: STOP!
Think we both agree, if Catholics were serious Catholics, they would not vote for people like Obama, Durbin, Kerry and Kennedy. So I tell them , as John Paul II told Poles...be what you are. The theological issues I have with them are minor compared to the common enemy we face.
yep...there was quite an exchange here over that..
You express my frustration.
but i will confess that my support for Israel is less rooted in my Christianity than my simple common sense (what little I have left)
I hear Saudi Arabia has already authorized Israel the use of it's air space to carry out the mission.
From Publishers Weekly
“Why are Jews Liberal”, by Norman Podhoretz
Eminent neoconservative Podhoretz (World War IV) surveys the centuries of atrocities that, he says, have pushed most Jews to the Left, notably the persecutions by medieval Christendom, from blood libels to expulsion to ghettoization, and in modern times the Dreyfus affair and Nazism. Immigrant American Jews were attracted to the Democratic Party, says Podhoretz, because it was the closest counterpart to the European leftists who had favored Jewish emancipation. Phenomena like conservative opposition to fighting Hitler and Truman’s recognition of Israel in 1948 kept Jews faithful to the ‘Torah’ of liberalism. But Podhoretz calls on Jews to shift their allegiance, maintaining that Democratic attitudes toward Israel range from unsympathetic to passionately hostile while the Republicans, with some exceptions, have been solidly to fervently supportive since the end of the 1967 Six-Day War. Podhoretz writes scathingly about what he views as the Nation magazine’s naked anti-Semitism, taking particular aim at a 1986 piece by Gore Vidal, but, refreshingly, also excoriates conservatives like Pat Buchanan and right-wing publications like Chronicles magazine for their anti-Semitism. Although preaching to the converted and at times rambling, Podhoretz is an astute and joyously provocative and partisan observer of the political landscape. (Sept. 8)
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From The Washington Post
From The Washington Post’s Book World/washingtonpost.com Reviewed by Justin Moyer Launching an ideological artillery shell sure to spoil innumerable Passover seders, former Commentary editor Norman Podhoretz juxtaposes political autobiography with a history of anti-Semitism to pose a controversial question: Why are Jews liberals? “Liberalism has become the religion of American Jews,” he writes, “even though it conflicts in substance with the Torah . . . [and] the most basic of all Jewish interests — the survival of the Jewish people.” A Jewish neoconservative who has taken up his pen to battle communism, McGovernism, affirmative action and terrorism, Podhoretz ably explains why Jews seeking respect and equality embraced Enlightenment philosophy, Marxism and FDR’s New Deal, even when those institutions demanded that they “justify the space they take up on this earth.” But, like so many other authors on the right and the left, Podhoretz stumbles when equating Judaism — a millennia-old, multifaceted religion and culture — with the cause of Israel, a secular state created by U.N. fiat in 1948. “Anti-Semitism was now disguising itself as anti-Zionism,” he complains, dismissing worthwhile debate about the Arab-Israeli conflict while wondering why Jews can’t reconcile with pro-Israel evangelical Christians and why Jews overwhelmingly voted for Barack Obama (”the stealth candidate . . . for the anti-Israel Left”). According to Podhoretz, “we Jews have an obligation to join with the defenders of [America]” — i.e., Republicans — “against those who are blind or indifferent or antagonistic.” A better question than the one asked by his book’s title: How can Norman Podhoretz pretend to speak for every Jew?
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