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1 posted on 09/28/2009 3:00:59 PM PDT by MNDude
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I’m not at all religious and here’s my opinion:

The guy’s an idiot! He’s there to teach, not to indoctrinate. If he’s going to broach the subject of evolution he should give equal time to all theories about our origins. None of us knows with 100% certainty what the answer is to the beginning of humanity or the beginning of our planet or the universe. We make educated guesses and revise them based on new knowledge as it’s gleaned from research.

This teacher should get a serious talking-to by the principal and the members of the school board so he doesn’t try to force his worldview on kids who have been raised differently.


25 posted on 09/28/2009 3:20:25 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( I am a proud citizen of GlennBeckistan. ))))
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Oh, no is he going to show that Athena did NOT spring fully armed from the head of Zeus? How will we stand it?


26 posted on 09/28/2009 3:20:27 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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As a high school Biology teacher in a public High School, I can tell you what I know. We are not to inject our personal opinion during class time. It is foremost unprofessional. As far as the legality, I am not sure. What state are you in, and is the system parent driven? If it is parent driven you could get something done. Have your son do research and provide an intelligent science based argument against evolution. The data is out there.


28 posted on 09/28/2009 3:21:38 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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DO NOT SEND YOUR KIDS TO PUBLIC SCHOOL!


29 posted on 09/28/2009 3:21:55 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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I don't think it's illegal to call religion a myth but I would certainly have concerns about his in tent to "disprove" them. I had a wonderful Physical Anthropology professor who gave ALL "Origin Myths" equal opportunity (including evolution theories). While her course focus was obviously on evolutionary theory, she didn't summarily dismiss and discredit cultural and religious beliefs that people held.

Her introduction was quite possibly the best I've ever heard. I went into the class with a closed mind and finished the course with an A!!

32 posted on 09/28/2009 3:24:24 PM PDT by TNdandelion (I'd rather have FedEx run my healthcare than USPS.)
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Get wired up for surreptitious audio and video.
YouTube makes for a great place to expose dorks.


33 posted on 09/28/2009 3:24:25 PM PDT by frankenMonkey
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It’s better than teaching them to be stupid.


34 posted on 09/28/2009 3:24:31 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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My gut says this may be the violation of the establishment clause - “No state shall pass a law ... or the free exercise thereof.”

Here, the state has mandated that pupils attend a state school, which avowedly “intends to completely dismiss and disprove many religious myths.” The teacher intends to attack a faith based belief of a pupil as a “myth.”


35 posted on 09/28/2009 3:24:39 PM PDT by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
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The teacher needs to be fired.

Public education denies that our children have souls. Public education is robbing our children of their faith and hope.


36 posted on 09/28/2009 3:24:46 PM PDT by abclily
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It might be illegal. See the case Farnan v. Capistrano Valley School District. I suggest contacting Advocates for Faith & Freedom, who represented Chad Farnan in this case.
37 posted on 09/28/2009 3:24:54 PM PDT by vrwc1
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It is probably not legal coming under the aegis of the first amendment. However, I do know that it is impossible for a teacher to separate his beliefs from what he teaches. If someone has a certain worldview, a lot of what he presents has underlying assumptions and conviction of which the presenter himself is often unaware.

Also, this sounds like an introductory session. I would have serious misgivings about that teacher, but I would wait to see how the material is presented.

If this is a high school class (it may have been stated but I just got up a short time ago and the caffeine hasn't kicked in), the students do need to have their beliefs questioned and challenged. They need to know why their beliefs are true. This is inspection often comes during opposition and they have to search for supports to their faith. The students need to have an answer ready for those who question the faith. Peter says, "always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you,"

Christianity doesn't need to fear facts. All facts point to the Creator.

40 posted on 09/28/2009 3:26:15 PM PDT by Jemian
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completely dismiss and disprove many religious myths...

And he will decide what those religious beliefs and myths are...


42 posted on 09/28/2009 3:29:15 PM PDT by Paisan
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If he presents himself as a scientist, he ought to know better than to undertake to disprove something that has never been proved in a scientific sense in the first place.

Further, he'll be hard pressed to try to prove the non-existence of something. That's quite a logical flaw for a purported scientist.

BTW and FWIW, I do accept evolution as a virtual certainty but see little to gain and nothing positive about attacking peoples' religious beliefs.

44 posted on 09/28/2009 3:45:46 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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to your nephew:

ask him to explain the striking convergence of species split by 125 of evolution and on entire different branches of the evolutionary tree. Namely placentals and marsupials which look almost exactly the same as one another.

http://txtwriter.com/Backgrounders/Evolution/EVpage14.html

If he can’t explain this you win.

If he explains it correctly he will say that the convergence is parallel evolution of species in similar environments which favor specific gene mutations.

Respond stating that the timeline for a specific mutation to occur in a given species and become accepted with it’s DNA is longer than the life time of a species (Very rare). That him believing that the random events occurred for too many to mention lifeforms to exhibit convergence at roughly the same point in the evolutionary timeline requires blind faith by him in a hypothesis that can not be tested nor proven. Then give him a stern glance and say when he chose to begin this course by stating he would disprove religious myths he opened the dialect to include religious debate. That you choose to believe that there is a guiding force behind the evolution of species while he believes in the option of countless random events occurring to make order out of chaos. Remind him that usually that is not the case, such as in entropy. Then tell him please not to mention religion again or you will be forced to inform his boss of the matter.


45 posted on 09/28/2009 3:48:26 PM PDT by ciwwaf
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I dont for the life of me understand why evolution even needs to be taught to anything short of college level students.
49 posted on 09/28/2009 3:52:06 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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I’d have an attorney contact the school. Try HSLDA. It’s their bread and butter. (HSLDA stands for Home School Legal Defense Association). They take cases in this area of law and do a masterful job. They are really good at what they do.


50 posted on 09/28/2009 3:54:24 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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I’d like to add that I think it is important for your son to see you stand up about this and not just go with the flow. It may be one of the most important things you ever teach him.


52 posted on 09/28/2009 3:55:01 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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Excuse me, I mean your nephew, and while it would be a good example for you to fight it, it won’t have the impact it would have were you his dad.


53 posted on 09/28/2009 3:55:45 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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The man is a propagandist clearly. There is no reason in a class where reason is not allowed.


56 posted on 09/28/2009 4:02:23 PM PDT by vpintheak (4-times an extremist)
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I suppose he’ll need another period to disprove God.


62 posted on 09/28/2009 4:29:40 PM PDT by wildwood
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