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Attorney: Oklahoma City bomb tapes appear edited
hosted. ^ | Sep 28 | TIM TALLEY

Posted on 09/28/2009 6:17:03 AM PDT by JoeProBono

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- Long-secret security tapes showing the chaos immediately after the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building are blank in the minutes before the blast and appear to have been edited, an attorney who obtained the recordings said Sunday. "The real story is what's missing," said Jesse Trentadue, a Salt Lake City attorney....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: oklahomacity

1 posted on 09/28/2009 6:17:03 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Clinton era. HELLO.


2 posted on 09/28/2009 6:19:39 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

Jayna Davis knows the real story.


3 posted on 09/28/2009 6:23:11 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Da Coyote

Nixon + edited tapes = major news story that still garners attention 35 years later

clinton + reno + edited tapes + 168 killed = ?????


4 posted on 09/28/2009 6:26:58 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (The emperor has no pedigree.)
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To: massgopguy

The day after it happened, I remember a local (Pittsburgh, Pa) talk show host talking about the initial reports of muslims renting a van (like the one at the scene). After that, I never heard about it again.

And why was McVeigh executed to quickly?

Lots of strange stuff.

This was another muslim attack, assisted by two “lily whites”.


5 posted on 09/28/2009 6:27:33 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: sneakers

What doesn’t Nichols say anything?


6 posted on 09/28/2009 6:28:48 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: JoeProBono
Search?
7 posted on 09/28/2009 6:29:31 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Everyone signing up after Nov 28, 1997 is a newbie.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

So, the tinfoil rumor that I heard says that the Whitewater records were stored in that building and destroyed in the blast...

anyone else hear that?


8 posted on 09/28/2009 6:32:32 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: sneakers
Another conspiracy theory intrigued me because I could never disprove it. The theory seemed unlikely on its face: Ramzi Yousef or Khalid Sheik Muhammad had taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma City Federal Building, The problem was that, upon investigation, we established that both Ramzi Yousef and Nichols had been in the city of Cebu on the same days. I had been to Cebu years earlier; it is on an island in the central Philippines. It was a town in which word could have spread that a local girl was bringing her American boyfriend home and that the American hated the U.S. government.

Yousef and Khalid Sheik Muhammad had gone there to help create an al Qaeda spinoff, a Philippine affiliate chapter, named after a hero of the Afghan war against the Soviets, Abu Sayaff. Could the al Qaeda explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American who proclaimed his hatred for the U.S. government? We do not know, despite some FBI investigation. We do know that Nichols's bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned. We also know that Nichols continued to call Cebu long after his wife returned to the United States. The final coincidence is that several al Qaeda operatives had attended a radical Islamic conference a few years earlier in, of all places, Oklahoma City.

Richard A. Clarke
"Against All Enemies"
Page 127

9 posted on 09/28/2009 6:33:21 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Homer1
"...What doesn’t Nichols say anything?....."

maybe for the same reason McVeigh never gave anybody up....speculation was that whoever was behind this threatened to kill entire families if they talked.

10 posted on 09/28/2009 6:34:16 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: massgopguy

11 posted on 09/28/2009 6:34:33 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: sneakers
And why was McVeigh executed to quickly?

To me that is THE question.

When you consider that it is common for a death row inmate to survive for 15-20 years before they are executed (if at all), why was McVeigh executed so quickly?

12 posted on 09/28/2009 6:42:08 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: sneakers
Lots of strange stuff.

Most especially strange was the timing.

Waco and Ruby Ridge were the subject of upcoming Congressional investigations.

The groundswell against heavy-handed DOJ/BATF tactics and proposed gun control measures was intense.

Local militia groups were forming, the vast majority of which were not 'tinfoil hat nutters or neonazis', but local folks who were darned concerned about the Feds behaviour and who had yet to be villified (Alinsky tactics, anyone?).

Other investigations of the Clinton improprieties were under way.

This was another muslim attack, assisted by two “lily whites”.

Quite likely, one in a string of attacks of intensifying lethality, almost all denied so a pattern of behaviour would not be seen by the masses, ultimately culminating in 9/11--which might have been prevented had not the security agencies working on the problem been hobbled by the Gorelick Memo and other policies designed to cover the Clinton's activities.

I wish we knew what Sandy Burglar stole from the Archives....

13 posted on 09/28/2009 6:42:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: sneakers
McVeigh was living with some ex- militery guys from Iraq and working for a Muslim. He had a middle east guy with him when he parked the truck. He had many connections with middle east guys.
14 posted on 09/28/2009 6:43:34 AM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

John Doe #2 was identified as Hussein al-Husseni. An Iraqi who was in Unit 999 at Salman Pak. He later got a job at Logan Airport in Boston. Dots anyone?


15 posted on 09/28/2009 6:44:50 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Homer1

He tried to blow the whistle, but Ashcroft wanted nothing to do with it. IIRC, the guy that tried to bring his info out is the same guy that got these tapes released. Apparently the Pakistani ISI (half of which is a front for Al Quada, the other half a puppet for the CIA it seems) had a major hand in planning the OKC bombing.


16 posted on 09/28/2009 6:55:56 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Revolution's are for Marxists. We need a Constitutional Restoration)
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To: JoeProBono

The Left has WAY too much invested in their tortured meme, that this was bad white men, acting alone.

They are counting on pointing at this “fact” for years to come, whenever the politically incorrect demographics of terrorism, and for that matter, crime in general are brought up.


17 posted on 09/28/2009 6:59:22 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: JoeProBono

What’s missing?

Some arab men helping Timothy McVeigh?


18 posted on 09/28/2009 7:03:15 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: JoeProBono
Wonder if this was to be Clinton's "Reichstag fire"?

Clinton era JBT's attacked, gassed, and INCINERATED innocent men, women, and CHILDREN, and then "lost" (the front door, which might help prove the Branch Davidians were fired upon first and were defending themselves from an unjustified and viscious onslaught, or destroyed vital evidence, so it's not beyond the pale that these same JBT's would doctor video which might show that THEY or their informants/criminal actors did bombing, and then set up Mcveigh and Nichols.

The question is, just what can we expect of Castro, Ortega, Putin, and Chavez' boy - Obama, who is arguably WORSE than Clinton?

19 posted on 09/28/2009 7:07:00 AM PDT by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I have had this info on file for years:

Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols(OKC) crossed paths in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

20 posted on 09/28/2009 7:08:49 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: sneakers
And why was McVeigh executed to quickly?

Because dead men tell no tales.

21 posted on 09/28/2009 7:14:05 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: massgopguy
There are no dots there. Do you know the story of this lawyer Jesse Trentadue? He believes his brother was murdered in prison because he was thought (mistaken identity) to be John Doe #2. This lawyer has sued the Federal Govt and won a 1 million lawsuit. He tells you who John Doe 2 is who also was found hung in prison. This has been reported twice in GQ magazine. This lawyer has been on am talk radio telling this story. All kinds of information on the internet..He has a 250,000 reward for information that leads to his brother's murder. He is not going to give up and why this story continues. Do the research...Jesse Trentadue
22 posted on 09/28/2009 7:14:26 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: JoeProBono; All

http://www.khow.com/main.html

If anyone is interested, Peter Boyles, is talking with someone right now about this. See above link for link to listen live. I think Boyles said the guy’s last name is Flynn. Anyway, he just said there were 168 deaths by 169 left legs? Also, McVeigh was seen in a Subway shop with 3—4 men, but that video has never been made public.


23 posted on 09/28/2009 7:15:56 AM PDT by beaversmom
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Kevin Flynn is the guy on Boyles program this morning.


24 posted on 09/28/2009 7:17:04 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: JohnG45

And why was McVeigh executed to quickly?

Closure!?!


25 posted on 09/28/2009 7:29:23 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: Smokin' Joe

That is one of the few questions that cound really provide some really good missing puzzle pieces, yet we will never, I MEAN NEVER, find out.

Now would be a good time for a republican to “get caught” taking some documents from the archives, then make a scene about not being ignored as Berger was...... Just sayin’


26 posted on 09/28/2009 7:35:11 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: JoeProBono

While living in Michigan in the 90’s Mark Scott Radio talk show indicated that the Fed’s knew the OK Fed building was going to be hit because the FBI or ATF removed all their firearms and explosives from the building the night before.
I googled to get into Mark Scotts archives but for some reason its blocked.


27 posted on 09/28/2009 7:47:59 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: sneakers
The day after it happened, I remember a local (Pittsburgh, Pa) talk show host talking about the initial reports of muslims renting a van (like the one at the scene). After that, I never heard about it again.

On 9/11 I remember reports of a car bomb going off outside the state department. But it never happened. In the moment, when emotions and fear is running high, some things that seem possible later turn out to be hooey. Not sure if that is the case here, or if a conspiracy is taking place but a mistake in the moment seems more likely than a grand conspiracy of which 100s have the be involved and all of them keep their mouths shut for 15 years.

28 posted on 09/28/2009 7:59:54 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: massgopguy

http://riseuprochester.org/2008/10/17/jesse-trentadues-quest-for-truth/ Jesse Trentadue’s Quest for Truth

http://intelwire.egoplex.com/2008_11_23_exclusives.html

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/OKC_Trentadue.htm <-—Pictures of his brother...supposive suicide.


29 posted on 09/28/2009 8:13:35 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: MrB
So, the tinfoil rumor that I heard says that the Whitewater records were stored in that building and destroyed in the blast...

No tinfoil required. They whitewater documents were moved to the building not that long before the blast. 

30 posted on 09/28/2009 8:21:15 AM PDT by zeugma (Life is short.)
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To: All

There have been several good threads about this the last couple of days with some really insightful comments regarding the circumstances surrounding the OKC bombing. Anyone interested should search around a bit. Juicy tidbit abound.


31 posted on 09/28/2009 8:21:21 AM PDT by zeugma (Life is short.)
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To: sneakers

When the flight that was shot down off Long Island, F.B.I. lead agent Kalstrum was asked about what happened and he said,”if you really knew the truth”. caught himself and shut up.
Next time he was singing the company line.
I believe the Murrah building, that jet shoot down, 9-11 and some others are all mooselimb originated and the f.b.i. and govt. is covering it up to keep us normal folks from destroying moosies everywhere.


32 posted on 09/28/2009 8:32:01 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84 (FUBO))
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To: JohnG45
"And why was McVeigh executed to [sic] quickly?"

Of course, there are still rumours to the effect that McVeigh was merely sedated, and that he was resuscitated and released to a new life (after surgical changes to his appearance...)

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Did anyone testify to seeing his dead body afterward? With all the other malbehavior by Reno's "Justice" Department re OKC, it almost seems within the bounds of reason...

But, then it hardly seems possible that our pillar of integrity (the FBI) would hide the surveillance tapes for lo these 14 years -- and, then release them with the critical portions missing...

33 posted on 09/28/2009 9:02:18 AM PDT by TXnMA
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To: Joe Boucher

Clinton covered up or ignored a lot of Muslim acts of war (Flight 800 and many others) against these United States.

I’m not surprised that OKC bombing is also traceable to Muslims.


34 posted on 09/28/2009 9:19:23 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Aroostook25

Can’t have public opinion go so badly against these moosies now can we?


35 posted on 09/28/2009 9:27:32 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84 (FUBO))
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To: TXnMA
"And why was McVeigh executed too quickly?"

And there were none of the usual groups that automatically file for the inmate requesting, at least, a stay and at most an overturning of the death penalty.

Where were they?

36 posted on 09/28/2009 9:44:21 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: Aroostook25

It is not traceable to muslims...did you know this lawyer trentadue interviewed Terry Nichols..Terry Nichols told Ashcroft he would reveal everything to him. Aschroft banned all media interviews afterwards.


37 posted on 09/28/2009 9:59:16 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: JoeProBono

Earlier this week, the Associated Press published an article about recently-released surveillance tapes from the area around the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Wanting to find out more about it, I sought out Jayna Davis, author of The New York Times best-selling book,”The Third Terrorist,” which chronicled her decade-long investigation of the bombing and who was behind it. In short, I became the first journalist/blogger with whom Davis has spoken about the case in four years (and she’s had countless requests for interviews).

On Tuesday, I followed up my interview of Davis with an interview of David P. Schippers, a Chicago attorney and close confidant of Davis whose background includes having served as chief investigative counsel for the Clinton Impeachment Hearings in the House and Senate. Again, I was able to publish information never before published about the missing Oklahoma City bombing surveillance tapes. All of these copyrighted pieces are available at my blog, http://bobmccarty.com.


38 posted on 10/01/2009 10:37:37 AM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites (BobMcCarty.com, Bob McCarty Writes™)
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To: JohnG45

Earlier this week, the Associated Press published an article about recently-released surveillance tapes from the area around the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Wanting to find out more about it, I sought out Jayna Davis, author of The New York Times best-selling book,”The Third Terrorist,” which chronicled her decade-long investigation of the bombing and who was behind it. In short, I became the first journalist/blogger with whom Davis has spoken about the case in four years (and she’s had countless requests for interviews).

On Tuesday, I followed up my interview of Davis with an interview of David P. Schippers, a Chicago attorney and close confidant of Davis whose background includes having served as chief investigative counsel for the Clinton Impeachment Hearings in the House and Senate. Again, I was able to publish information never before published about the missing Oklahoma City bombing surveillance tapes. All of these copyrighted pieces are available at http://bobmccarty.com.


39 posted on 10/01/2009 10:37:48 AM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites (BobMcCarty.com, Bob McCarty Writes™)
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