Posted on 09/27/2009 11:04:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
With the death of Manson follower Susan Atkins, the man who prosecuted her for first-degree murder said Friday that one of his lasting images was that of a "heartless, bloodthirsty robot."
Vincent Bugliosi, however, said that image has become more ambiguous with the passage of time.
Atkins, who died Friday, played a central role in the 1969 slayings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and others in a two-night rampage in the Los Angeles area. She later said she killed Tate even as the woman pleaded for mercy.
It's possible it will never be known exactly what happened inside the home in Bel Air that night. And though Bugliosi said he has questions about Atkins' specific actions that night, it had nothing to do with her legal culpability.
"She's still guilty of first-degree murder as an aider and abettor and co-conspirator. If we were back in 1971, I would still seek the death penalty against her. She was a very hard-core member of the Manson family who was willing to do his bidding."
Atkins had given conflicting statements around the time of her trial, Bugliosi said. Still another version is found in the book by Charles "Tex" Watson, the main killer in both the Tate and LaBianca murders.
Watson said that Atkins boasted about killing Tate and her unborn baby to get attention but that Atkins actually held her down while he stabbed her.
"It was my hand that struck out over and over until the cries of 'mother, mother' stopped," Watson wrote.
Atkins told two cellmates after her arrest for the murder of Manson family associate Gary Hinman that she stabbed Tate telling her, "Look, bitch, I don't have any mercy for you." She repeated the claim to Bugliosi the night before he called her before a grand jury.
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No sorrow for the passing of this woman.. only prayers for her soul.
She was there... she was part of the plan ...and she did nothing to save these poor people who were brutally murdered.
Guilty.
When Bugliosi came out wanting to try President Bush on murder charges, I lost all respect for him.
She was still guilty of murder. I don't know what the point of this article is.
That's one I haven't heard. Could you please send a reference.
The details aren’t really important. What’s important is that she, and some of the others involved, have been remorseful, and have become Christians. And denying any of them parole has been the right decision.
I'd hate to think that uncertainty could cost her a position on Ted Kennedy's staff in Hell.
Not only that have you ever read her testimony that she gave at the trial? What the he** is unclear about that. Just another liberal liar trying to muddy the waters. Why, I don’t know since she is dead now.
You really think God has forgiven these murderous scum? I beg to differ, she is in he** now getting her reward. You can't slaughter people, turn Christian and then expect to be forgiven and get into heaven.
Can she still vote in California?
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/manson/confess_4.html
SNIPPET: “Courtroom footage is available for this story for license and/or purchase from the IN SESSION archives – click here.”
By Marilyn Bardsley
“Confession”
SNIPPET: “Atkins went on to explain that they selected the Tate house because it was isolated. Susan said they knew who the owner was but they didn’t know or care who would be at the house that night.
Susan explained...”
SNIPPET: “Frykowski ran for the door. “He was full of blood,” she said and claimed that she had stabbed him three or four times. “He was bleeding and he ran to the front part, and would you believe that he was there hollering ‘Help, help, somebody please help me,’ and nobody came? Then we finished him off.”
“Sharon was the last to die,” Susan said with a laugh as she described how Sharon was begging her, “ Please don’t kill me. Please don’t kill me. I don’t want to die. I want to live. I want to have my baby. I want to have my baby.”
Susan said she just looked at Sharon straight in the eye and said, “Look, bitch, I don’t care about you. I don’t care if you’re going to have a baby. You had better be ready. You’re going to die and I don’t feel anything about it...In a few minutes I killed her.”
Susan said she saw that there was Sharon’s blood on her hand and she tasted it. “Wow, what a trip! To taste death, and yet give life.”
Flabbergasted, Virginia asked Susan if it didn’t bother her to kill a pregnant woman.
“I thought you understood. I loved her, and in order for me to kill her I was killing part of myself when I killed her,” Susan explained. She had wanted to cut out Sharon’s baby but there wasn’t enough time. She had also wanted to take out all the victims’ eyes and squash them against the walls and cut off and mutilate all of their fingers, but they didn’t have the chance.”
There is only one unforgiveable sin, according to the Bible. Murder isn’t it.
Of course I can’t judge whether any murderer’s repentance is real, and I do believe they should get the death penalty. God however knows whether repentance is real.
Well, actually, the bible says you can.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vincent-bugliosi/the-prosecution-of-george_b_102427.html
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080707/story
http://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-George-W-Bush-Murder/dp/159315481X
If you are interested in his book, “The Prosecution of George W. Bush For Murder,” check you local Dollar Store. That’s where I obtained my copy.
No, actually it doesn’t say that.
If SHE can’t receive the salvation bought and paid for by the blood of Christ, then Christ himself is a liar and Christianity is a sham.
Gee, all we know is several people were murdered and by all appearances they got the right killers. snort
Jesus died for sinners...
Bugliosi was on C-SPAN2 In Depth last year discussing all his books. It was pretty fascinating. Yes, he had very strong opinions about Bush. One of his latest books was on the Kennedy assassination and he displayed an encyclopedic knowledge of every facet of the case as he destroyed every conspiracy theory that was thrown at him.
They will try to glorify her as unjustly accused... that seems to be the direction they are going. I lived through that time... young people who did not will swallow their revisionist stories.
I would say publicity.
Do you actually think a person as evil as this woman is would embrace Christianity other than for reasons to save her sorry hide from burning in hell? These people were the ultimate socipaths that had absolutely no remorse for what they did.
Personally, if it were up to me, people who murder in such horrific fashion would get to die the same way their victims did...in the most horrible manner while begging for mercy...
Unfortunately it is not up to me. And it is only up to God to know the sincerity of the woman’s final conversion and devotion to a Christian life. She, thank goodness, was not allowed outside of prison in an environment that left her the freedom to demonstrate sincerity. She was in prison and had no choice but to live her life with no opportunity to repeat.
The only thing I know, is that I will not pray to God for mercy on her soul. She deserves to rot in hell. Mercy belongs to those meet God in sincerity that HE deems worth the mercy.
Well, that’s what Christians believe. It’s not some peculiar personal opinion of mine.
Those who do not pray for God’s mercy for others will receive no mercy. Do you not understand that all of us can escape hell only by God’s mercy? If we all got what we deserved we’d all burn in hell.
To refuse to pray for mercy from God for others is a hellish sin.
I will not argue the tenets of God’s word...however...
He specifically said, vengance is mine...and all will stand before me in judgment.
I will gladly stand before him in judgment as a soul who is honest with oneself. To stand before him and perpetuate the lie that I can forgive the woman for the horror she committed against that mother and child, would be lying to myself and God.
I clearly said, I leave the decision before him, for only he can decide the sincerity of her repentance.
Vincent Bugliosi’s fifteen minutes were up a long time ago. He needs to sit down and shut the hell up. After all, it wasn’t particularly hard to get a conviction in the Manson case.
Ironically, Susan Atkins may be raised from the dead at the first resurrection (the good one) and meet Christ in the air while Sharon Tate may be lost.
If Susan was sincere in her repentance, God will/has forgiven her. Sharon Tate on the other hand, who did not deserve to die like that, may be lost. She made very provocative movies, appeared nude, joined Hugh Hefner at one of his parties and was interviewed on television talking it being ok to be nude in movies, etc. etc.., and to my knowledge, had no great relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ......By all accounts she was a very nice beautiful person, inside and out.......but that won’t cut it in the judgement......you have to be covered by the blood of Christ and a close relationship to Jesus including obedience to his commandments is evidence of that relationship..........and he will forgive any sin......David had a guy knocked off so he could sleep with his wife....and God later called David the “apple of my eye”......
Regardless of who killed who, she was an active participant. She should have been executed. She is dead. Who cares anymore.
Notice how all the murderers are ‘Christian’ now?! They are only for the Christian way in regards to themselves. It certainly is a red flag that they have worked so hard to have themselves released on parole. They murdered those people and they should accept the punishment and the fact they have been so selfish shows what an act it really is.
This is an interesting topic on whether murderers are admitted to heaven. I see such brutal acts like the murders that Atkins took part in as deep seeded in her soul and incapable of ever repenting. To enjoy murdering someone in that fashion and it’s not like a cheating spouse in the heat of the moment or something like that. It’s just as evil and ruthless as it gets. It’s also a question of what happens if the person they happened to murder didn’t get the opportunity to get saved at the moment of their life being so viciously taken. Life sucks and there are a lot of questions for the next life. I just don’t see it and murder in that fashion is the ultimate unforgivable act as far as I’m concerned.
we are all sinners, and we all deserve damnation... because of God's graciousness, we have redemption through the blood of Jesus... except for what Jesus did for us, Susan Atkins, Sharon Tate and myself all deserve eternal punishment...
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