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Ready, Aim, Fire McChrystal
Townhall.com ^ | 9/24/09 | Diana West

Posted on 09/24/2009 10:13:48 PM PDT by Nachum

There are many reasons to fire Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, and all of them are contained within his 66-page "assessment" of the war in Afghanistan.

The document is fascinating, just as the work of zealots is always fascinating. As a high priest of the politically correct orthodoxy, McChrystal has laid out a strategy to combat Taliban jihad in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan without once mentioning Islam, and forget about jihad (fireable offense No. 1).

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; aim; fire; mcchrystal; nationalsecurityfail; oef; ready
Now we know why he was hired.
1 posted on 09/24/2009 10:13:48 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping


2 posted on 09/24/2009 10:14:24 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
There are many reasons to fire Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal,

Fire him? He needs to be promoted!

3 posted on 09/24/2009 10:20:36 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: Nachum
Unfortunately, that won't be the reason he's canned. He's going to get the heave-ho because he's painted Barry into a corner, and he did it in a very public way.

If we fired every General officer who refuses to use the words jihad or Islam, bird Colonels would be running the Pentagon.

4 posted on 09/24/2009 10:21:39 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: OldDeckHand

So Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal falls on his sword for the good of the country?

Great strategy.


5 posted on 09/24/2009 10:25:15 PM PDT by Radix (Obama represents CHAINS for posterity.)
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To: Nachum
McCrystal is a good man, a soldier's soldier who is making the best of serving a bogus, unpatriotic, treasonous, pretend president.

I'd say McCrystal is doing a pretty fair job of it.

6 posted on 09/24/2009 10:25:27 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Nachum

I don’t regard Ms West as an authority on what is happening here (note that word) in Afghanistan.
As much as she dislikes it, we must have the support of the people. She obsesses with Force Protection - the general must be fired because he wants his people to take risks. Obsessing with FP is what distances US forces from the population and keeps our folks from being more effective.

Interestingly McChrystal’s assessment reprises, on a grand scale, many of the comments I read by a USMC ETT commander operating up in the northeast a couple of years ago. He said to get out of the vehicles and take off your sunglasses when talking with the locals. He was right.


7 posted on 09/24/2009 11:08:10 PM PDT by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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To: Nachum

And here’s what GEN Petraeus has to say about it...

Petraeus in the Times of London.

Countering terrorists and extremism requires more than a conventional military approach. Military operations enable you to clear areas of extremist and insurgent elements, and to stop them from putting themselves back together. But the core of any counterinsurgency strategy must focus on the fact that the decisive terrain is the human terrain, not the high ground or river crossing.

Focusing on the population can, if done properly, improve security for local people and help to extend basic services. It can help to delegitimise the methods of the extremists — especially if you can contrast your ability and willingness to support and protect the population with the often horrific actions of extremist groups. Indeed, exposing their extremist ideologies, indiscriminate violence and oppressive practices can help people to realise that their lives are unlikely to be improved if under the control of such movements.

For the strategy to work, it is also necessary to find ways to identify reconcilable members of insurgent elements and to transform them into part of the solution. ...

General Stan McChrystal, the Commander of Nato’s International Security Assistance Force, who has spent most of his career since 9/11 leading the US’s most elite counterterrorist element, the Joint Special Operations Command, is employing a comprehensive, counterinsurgency campaign. He is the first to recognise not just the extraordinary capabilities but also the limitations of counterterrorism forces in Afghanistan.


8 posted on 09/24/2009 11:13:01 PM PDT by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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To: Nachum

And here’s what GEN Petraeus has to say about it...

Petraeus in the Times of London.

Countering terrorists and extremism requires more than a conventional military approach. Military operations enable you to clear areas of extremist and insurgent elements, and to stop them from putting themselves back together. But the core of any counterinsurgency strategy must focus on the fact that the decisive terrain is the human terrain, not the high ground or river crossing.

Focusing on the population can, if done properly, improve security for local people and help to extend basic services. It can help to delegitimise the methods of the extremists — especially if you can contrast your ability and willingness to support and protect the population with the often horrific actions of extremist groups. Indeed, exposing their extremist ideologies, indiscriminate violence and oppressive practices can help people to realise that their lives are unlikely to be improved if under the control of such movements.

For the strategy to work, it is also necessary to find ways to identify reconcilable members of insurgent elements and to transform them into part of the solution. ...

General Stan McChrystal, the Commander of Nato’s International Security Assistance Force, who has spent most of his career since 9/11 leading the US’s most elite counterterrorist element, the Joint Special Operations Command, is employing a comprehensive, counterinsurgency campaign. He is the first to recognise not just the extraordinary capabilities but also the limitations of counterterrorism forces in Afghanistan.


9 posted on 09/24/2009 11:13:48 PM PDT by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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To: MadJack

Sorry for the double post. I must have really meant it.


10 posted on 09/24/2009 11:14:28 PM PDT by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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To: Nachum
I wonder, who has the better counterterror strategy? The four star general with thirty years of special operations experience who used to run JSOC and was a fellow at Harvard and the CFR?

Or the author of The Death of the Grown-up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization?

Both are highly qualified candidates, but I'm going to fire Ms. West and keep GEN McChrystal.

11 posted on 09/24/2009 11:39:05 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Nachum

It is time to get out of Afghanistan. If they need community organizers, send in Acorn. They will know how to secure those poppy fields for Obama. Our fighting men aren’t social workers...they are warriors.

Obama and his carnival crew are not capable of fighting a war. It just isn’t in their DNA.

A lot of people are going to get killed and we will end up like the Soviet Union did there...another Viet Nam.

I never thought I would feel this way...but, this Marxist administration has changed the way I feel about a lot of things.


12 posted on 09/25/2009 12:19:30 AM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (Obama, YOU LIE!!)
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To: Nachum
Turning battle-hardened Marines into Miss Congenialities who "must be seen as guests of the Afghan people" doesn't mean our men have to wear swimsuits, but they do have to take off their armor (fire-able offense No. 6). "Preoccupied with protection of our own forces," McChrystal writes, "we have operated in a manner that distances us -- physically and psychologically -- from the people we seek to protect."

I'd like to see that assessment for myself.

If General McChrystal ordered the forces under his command to remove their body armor in the hopes that it would placate AQ & the Taliban, he should spend the rest of his life in prison or an insane asylum.

However, not only is he reportedly so reticent to order those under his command to air-box the enemy, he has effectively thrown away his career by telegraphing his distrust of the CIC over the matter.

Something doesn't fit, maybe because Obama is stirring the poo with all the fascination one could expect from a newborn that just found something new to play with.

13 posted on 09/25/2009 12:46:34 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (Things that make you go WT(BOOM!))
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To: Nachum

Did McChrystal set the ROE that got those Marines killed

the other week,,,or did O’Bammy,,,

They were refused Tac-Air when they were nearly over-run,,,

And no Arty,,,

If McChrystal set it he could have still let them have it,,,

What does this tell us ?!,,,

O’Bammy hired McChrystal as a “yes man”!!!


14 posted on 09/25/2009 1:01:46 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Nachum
Where does one read this 66 page assessment?

This guy probably knows that 0bama cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Why tell him what to do to win the war, when chances are he will do just the opposite?


Born and raised in Hollywood, Diana West spent a year as a youngster living in Ireland with her family. Diana West went on to graduate from Yale with a B.A. in English. A Washingtonian for many years, Diana West lives in the nation's capital with her husband and two daughters.

Don't see anything there that makes her a military expert.

15 posted on 09/25/2009 1:21:12 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: 4woodenboats
Turning battle-hardened Marines into Miss Congenialities who "must be seen as guests of the Afghan people" doesn't mean our men have to wear swimsuits, but they do have to take off their armor (fire-able offense No. 6). "Preoccupied with protection of our own forces," McChrystal writes, "we have operated in a manner that distances us -- physically and psychologically -- from the people we seek to protect."

If General McChrystal ordered the forces under his command to remove their body armor in the hopes that it would placate AQ & the Taliban, he should spend the rest of his life in prison or an insane asylum.

IF this is true, then yeah - - life in prison, or flat out fragged. This is tough to believe, though, especially since he's got to be aware that most Marines would laugh off such an idiotic directive. The grunts definitely would.

16 posted on 09/25/2009 1:28:53 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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A. Doubt West has seen the report.
B. Maybe she is the ‘insurgency’ against the bad PR of the WH blocking action or even receipt of the report...which was done at the END of August.
C. Health care bill attempt to pass w/o real details or CBO estimate = next stop amnesty = wave of illegal immigrants from the poppy fields? Maybe resettlement in the San Joaquin valley.

Seems like a wild hypothesis, but with the inmates in the DC asylum, I’d think it might not be too much of a stretch.


17 posted on 09/25/2009 2:02:01 AM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: killjoy

The one who needs to be fired is the Clueless in Chief


18 posted on 09/25/2009 6:15:11 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: killjoy
Fire him? He needs to be promoted!


19 posted on 09/25/2009 6:24:41 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Lancey Howard

I just sent Diana West a request for a copy of or directions to the 66 page assessment from which she based her story on.


20 posted on 09/25/2009 8:20:36 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (Facts are like fried eggs - just give 'em to me hot off the griddle, I'll add my own seasoning.)
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To: Candor7
So men/women that get ambushed are left to die because this “soldier's solider” is too scared of collateral damage from air strikes (That help those who are ambushed)?

Give me a break. Name one hot war where “counterinsurgency math” has led to total victory?

After watching 60 Minutes at the enlisted club (All day football) with some active duty members, the consensus was they are more frightened by McChrystal than the Taliban. Soldier's solider my ass, more like a another PC General who covers his ass thinking the "Zen" way is perfection while the grunts are the collateral damage.

21 posted on 09/27/2009 4:55:25 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi
You think McChrystal is a Wesley Clark variant? People here on FR thought he was a real hard driver, like Vinegar Joe Stilwell or something at first .

What I do know is that he made no stink about the communuty organizing ROE tha Obama arranged.

Hey , I just don't know what to think.

22 posted on 09/27/2009 5:16:15 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Candor7
Not sure. A great soldier, just think he watched “The Thin Red Line” too much and has let that “eastern philosophy” dictate his strategy.

The root cause is not the Taliban but radical Islam itself. His “counterinsurgencty math” is hopeless because the ideology is too influential with opposing forces and “civilians” that smile in front of his face but secretly back their “cause”.

From what I hear (First hand), many civis helping us are stabbing us in the back. Supplies going to the “good civilians” are being diverted to the Taliban. Would love to see an audit, what a cluster f* that would be.

23 posted on 09/27/2009 5:25:08 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

I was thoroughly disgusted with McChrystal on 60 minutes. He has banned shooting into areas that contain residents even if we are taking fire. He is slowing down the troops who are driving vehicles in streets because their speed shows arrogance. This is a joke, just what the hell will 40,000 more troops do if he isn’t going to use them?


24 posted on 09/27/2009 5:25:16 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Candor7
"You think McChrystal is a Wesley Clark variant?"

He can't be that bad, he hasn't mass murdered pro-western civilians yet! - Klinton stacked the pentagon with leftist generals.

25 posted on 09/27/2009 5:26:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Candor7
Again, McChrystal is a hell of a soldier. Excellent record but his “Zen” ways have to go. Too trusting/idealistic but means well. I think a General ushering in hell would do more good. The only fear the Taliban/Islamic terrorist have after all, is “bringing hell upon them through superior fire power.” Terrorist biggest weapon is our compassion. Sometimes we need to show tough love to our enemies.
26 posted on 09/27/2009 5:37:23 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi
Tough love?Artillery is the best answer, And no body does THAT like the USA.

Anything moves at night, anywhere, should have a shell coming in within 5 minutes.

27 posted on 09/27/2009 5:41:25 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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