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The Most Violent City on Earth
ABC News ^ | 09/24/09 | MATHIEU VON ROHR

Posted on 09/24/2009 7:54:08 AM PDT by Borges

The sun is beating down as Elizabeth Padilla is laid to rest in the Garden of Eternity cemetery. She lies under a pane of glass. Her pretty face has been made up one last time.

"Open your eyes, my darling," her mother cries. "There is something I wanted to tell you." "Princess," her sister wails. "I'll never forget the way you danced and sang." "Why you?" her mother screams. "You were so good."

Elizabeth Padilla was 29 and had been a policewoman for eight months when she died. She was killed one Wednesday just before 1:30pm while on her way to work in her dark Plymouth. Her murderers fired six 9mm bullets, hitting her in the right arm and in the head.

She was one of 14 people murdered that day in Ciudad Juárez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Just another ordinary day.

Before the white wooden casket is placed into the concrete vault, her unit reports for duty one last time, shouting out in unison, "Elizabeth Padilla, present!" Her brother, who is also a policeman, says there is no justice in this country. But he will carry out justice, he says. The squad car sirens wail a goodbye.

Ciudad Juárez, a border town in the north of Mexico, is at war: a war the government is fighting against the drug cartels and a war the drug cartels are fighting against each other. More than 1,500 people have been murdered there this year alone. A total of 1.5 million people live in the city, which is considered the most violent in the world.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; crimaliens; immigration; juarez; mexico; mostviolentcity; organizedcrime; warnextdoor; wod

1 posted on 09/24/2009 7:54:09 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

this story is red meat here.


2 posted on 09/24/2009 7:56:47 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dear world: we are so sorry for Barack Hussein Obama. Can you ever forgive us? ** hang the Czars.)
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To: Borges

Sad and tragic. Especially since there’s nothing we can do about it. Mexico can be a rough place.


3 posted on 09/24/2009 7:56:54 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: Borges

Is this a novel or a news piece? The city’s not identified until the fourth graph.


4 posted on 09/24/2009 7:56:54 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Borges

We pray for the faithful departed. May Elizabeth Padilla rest in peace. May perpetual light shine upon her. Amen.


5 posted on 09/24/2009 7:58:17 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Borges
The violence here is clearly traced to the war on some drugs, just as this country saw a lot of black-market violence during Prohibition.

However, if we legalize drugs, the violence shifts into the shadows - the person killed by a driver under the influence, the domestic violence at home, the family made desititute by drug use - that over time adds up to a much higher body count - but since the bodies are not in a pile, it's not as noticeable.

There are no good answers to this puzzle - only bad and worse.

6 posted on 09/24/2009 7:59:37 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: RexBeach

This place is right across the border from El Paso.


7 posted on 09/24/2009 8:00:16 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Four years ago my son did a High School Mission trip to Juarez. Two years ago, Youth Works, which operates the mission site, pulled out; it’s not safe.


8 posted on 09/24/2009 8:01:55 AM PDT by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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To: Borges

The reason?

Our open border policy with Mexcio which allows drugs and illegal aliens to be moved across the border there with ease.

If we REALLY wanted to help these people, we would BUILD THAT DAMN WALL and enforce our border laws at bayonet point.


9 posted on 09/24/2009 8:02:45 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: henkster

Couple years back I was in El Paso and decided to take a walk across the border - the place looked looked like a bombed out warzone. I was a but clueless to the danger before I went. Guess I should be glad I escaped with my life


10 posted on 09/24/2009 8:04:02 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: Borges

The worst hellhole ain’t Gaza? Someone tell the Messiah...


11 posted on 09/24/2009 8:04:02 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Borges

Yes, I know where it is. :)

I was commenting merely on the reporter’s lousy style.

“This is the most violent city in the world: Juarez. More than 15-hundred people have been murdered here this year, as drug cartels slug it out in the streets with machine guns and machetes.”

See what I mean?


12 posted on 09/24/2009 8:06:56 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: NativeNewYorker

Ciadad Juarez is so far ahead in violent death it’s unbelievable.

And also in abduction of women.


13 posted on 09/24/2009 8:09:02 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: wilco200
Couple years back I was in El Paso and decided to take a walk across the border - the place looked looked like a bombed out warzone. I was a but clueless to the danger before I went.

I lived in El Paso for a dozen years after getting out of the Army in '84. Even back then, I didn't cross the border my last 6-7 years there.

You won't see much reportage on high school kids that venture into Juarez to party, then never return.

14 posted on 09/24/2009 8:11:12 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: agere_contra
In order for a Mexican spouse to immigrate to the US, they are required to travel to Juarez for a personal interview. Just part of the indignities that a legal immigrant faces.
15 posted on 09/24/2009 8:12:08 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: agere_contra
Gaza is actually safer than Philly, except when they're lobbing rockets into Israel.

Seriously though, we have a violent failed state across our undefended border, and our govt is literally doing nothing.

16 posted on 09/24/2009 8:12:15 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Borges

I think all law abiding citizens who want out should be offered a way out. Then all authorities should leave. Then let whoever is left kill each other.


17 posted on 09/24/2009 8:17:07 AM PDT by envisio (Wanna understand all the problems with this country? Google "Kanye West".)
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To: the invisib1e hand
...this story is red meat here.

What are you saying? Throw "red meat" and get us off topic? Are you saying that that's what trolls do? It is - but why are you saying it?

18 posted on 09/24/2009 8:18:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (When I hear "New York Times"-fair or not -what I hear is "New York Times Whore House"...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Mexicans come here and they’re democrats. Democrats are criminals and liars. Is that why it’s “red meat”?


19 posted on 09/24/2009 8:20:02 AM PDT by GOPJ (When I hear "New York Times"-fair or not -what I hear is "New York Times Whore House"...)
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To: BertWheeler; gubamyster; SwinneySwitch

“Sad and tragic. Especially since there’s nothing we can do about it. Mexico can be a rough place.”

We could keep it in Mexico instead of letting it roll into the states unabated. Phoenix, AZ is now the #2kidnapping capital of the world, second only to Mexico and because of Mexico.

Their violence is all over this nation now thanks to those who refused to see the problem spilling into this country. Armed Mexican drug cartels are patrolling our counties rural roads fighting for control of land to grow their dope.


20 posted on 09/24/2009 8:29:24 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: ZULU
"The reason? Our open border policy with Mexcio which allows drugs and illegal aliens to be moved across the border there with ease. If we REALLY wanted to help these people, we would BUILD THAT DAMN WALL and enforce our border laws at bayonet point."

Exactly!

21 posted on 09/24/2009 8:31:14 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Borges
I wonder what would happen to Mexico if the 20 million people who most wanted a better place for their children to grow up, stayed in Mexico instead of leaving. Could 20 million more ambitious, brave people help to reform Mexico from the inside? Our open border policy is killing Mexico.

Unlike many on this board, I think that 75% of the illegals are actually hard working, ambitious folk who are just trying to make a better life for their families. I would probably do the same thing in their position.

At the same time, as a sovereign nation we have a right to determine who comes into our country. Those who don't do it right should be deported immediately.

22 posted on 09/24/2009 8:41:10 AM PDT by nitzy (Only a liberal could believe that one becomes a human at birth AND one becomes gay at conception.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Too bad. I went there in the late 70’s and had a great time.


23 posted on 09/24/2009 8:49:17 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("Do you call it 'unsound method'?" "No method at all," I murmured.)
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To: GOPJ
Mexicans come here and they’re democrats. Democrats are criminals and liars. Is that why it’s “red meat”?

you answered your own question, but not quite in the way that you might think. More as an object lesson, really - you have red meat between your teeth.

24 posted on 09/24/2009 8:53:04 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dear world: we are so sorry for Barack Hussein Obama. Can you ever forgive us? ** hang the Czars.)
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To: RexBeach

I think we all instinctively knew it was either Ciudad Juarez or Chicago.


25 posted on 09/24/2009 8:53:16 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( I am a proud citizen of GlennBeckistan. ))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad

LOL!!!


26 posted on 09/24/2009 9:05:27 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Two Kids' Dad

They both need better community organizers.

Let’s send them ACORN.


27 posted on 09/24/2009 9:10:23 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: AuntB

So why do you think our govt at all levels refuses to secure the border? That’s the important question.


28 posted on 09/24/2009 9:48:43 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: dirtboy
The violence here is clearly traced to the war on some drugs, just as this country saw a lot of black-market violence during Prohibition.

True.

However, if we legalize drugs, the violence shifts into the shadows - the person killed by a driver under the influence, the domestic violence at home, the family made desititute by drug use - that over time adds up to a much higher body count - but since the bodies are not in a pile, it's not as noticeable.

Those are all happening now under drug prohibition. What makes you think they would increase if prohibition ended?

29 posted on 09/24/2009 11:10:39 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Those are all happening now under drug prohibition. What makes you think they would increase if prohibition ended?

Alcohol consumption did go down during Prohibition, and then went back up again after repeal of such.

I do think about the dumbest part of the WoD is having pot criminalized, though. It is probably the least harmful drug out there.

30 posted on 09/24/2009 11:29:23 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: AuntB
We could keep it in Mexico instead of letting it roll into the states unabated. Phoenix, AZ is now the #2kidnapping capital of the world, second only to Mexico and because of Mexico.

Yet El Paso and San Diego are two of the safest big cities in America. Go figure.

31 posted on 09/24/2009 11:37:06 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Borges

to put this in perspective, NYC has a little less than 600 homicides/year. this place has 1,400 so far this year!


32 posted on 09/24/2009 11:41:29 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

sorry. 1,500 so far this year!


33 posted on 09/24/2009 11:41:54 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: dirtboy
Alcohol consumption did go down during Prohibition, and then went back up again after repeal of such.

It went down initially but returned to pre-prohibition levels near the end of the experiment. The murder rate rose between 1919-1933, then dropped after repeal.

I do think about the dumbest part of the WoD is having pot criminalized, though. It is probably the least harmful drug out there.

Agree. It is also the big money maker for the cartels. Drug czar John Walters estimated they got about 2/3 of their revenues from pot.

34 posted on 09/24/2009 11:42:47 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Drew68

Phoenix is pretty safe, too - that kidnapping statistic is all about cartels, illegal aliens, and drug debts. The kidnappers aren’t driving out to the suburbs to snatch little white girls from their bedrooms for ransom...although the way the economy is going, a nationwide return to that favorite Depression-era tactic of free-lance socialists may not be far off.


35 posted on 09/24/2009 11:43:13 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: dirtboy
Alcohol consumption did go down during Prohibition, and then went back up again after repeal of such.

I'd like to see those stats.

36 posted on 09/24/2009 11:44:33 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Maybe it’s just my inner capitalist thinking or perhaps its my utter contempt for Mexico at work here but, either way, I think we should be doing everything in our power to ensure that there is an unlimited stream of guns and ammo availble to the Mexicans. can I get an amen brutha?


37 posted on 09/24/2009 11:49:28 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Trailerpark Badass; Ken H
Alcohol Consumption During Prohibition

We estimate the consumption of alcohol during Prohibition using mortality, mental health and crime statistics. We find that alcohol consumption fell sharply at the beginning of Prohibition, to approximately 30 percent of its pre-Prohibition level. During the next several years, however, alcohol consumption increased sharply, to about 60-70 percent of its pre-prohibition level. The level of consumption was virtually the same immediately after Prohibition as during the latter part of Prohibition, although consumption increased to approximately its pre-Prohibition level during the subsequent decade.

38 posted on 09/24/2009 11:49:57 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Ken H
Drug czar John Walters estimated they got about 2/3 of their revenues from pot.

I think that has shifted. It's a lot easier to smuggle in meth than pot, meth is a lot less bulky.

The irony is, pot now is very price whereas hard drugs are cheaper. Another unintended consequence of pot prohibition.

39 posted on 09/24/2009 11:51:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Phoenix is pretty safe, too - that kidnapping statistic is all about cartels, illegal aliens, and drug debts.

Keeping the bloodshed on Mexico's side of the border is a very deliberate decision on the part of the cartels who know that if innocent Americans start getting gunned down across the border, US law enforcement would increase their interdiction efforts. This would be bad for business.

40 posted on 09/24/2009 11:57:38 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Trailerpark Badass
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1017&full=1

The alcohol consumption figures are for the years 1910-1929. (a 1932 study was the source for these numbers)

41 posted on 09/24/2009 12:20:16 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: BertWheeler

“So why do you think our govt at all levels refuses to secure the border? That’s the important question.”

Masses of uneducated poor people convinced they are ‘victims’ are easier to manipulate and keep tyrants in power. Look where they come from.


42 posted on 09/24/2009 1:15:15 PM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: AuntB

The borders are the government’s responsibility so I hope you’re not referring to “big bidness” being the culprit. Of course, most latinos lean hard left and don’t tell me about family values, every house in Mexico has a tall wall around it because family is family and those outside that wall are meant to be ripped off.


43 posted on 09/24/2009 1:41:53 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: BertWheeler

“so I hope you’re not referring to “big bidness” being the culprit”

Where in my post could you possibly assume that?

I said:

“Masses of uneducated poor people convinced they are ‘victims’ are easier to manipulate and keep tyrants in power. Look where they come from.”

Now, about “big Bidness’...yes, there are too many corrupt business people and politicians bought by them who are on the left and right. Private prison systems is a perfect example. They also provide the ‘immigration’ detention centers. No surprise they contribute millions to the likes of McCain, Bush who support not securing the border.


44 posted on 09/24/2009 1:48:50 PM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: AuntB

You didn’t mention it. I was glad you didn’t but my post isn’t just directed to you.

Government is in charge of the border, it’s their legal duty to secure the border yet both you and me know they won’t lift a finger to secure the border.

Our challenge is to find out WHY they won’t do this.


45 posted on 09/24/2009 1:50:59 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: Borges

When your mayor and city council live in another country, you know you have a problem.


46 posted on 09/24/2009 1:51:09 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: BertWheeler
Our challenge is to find out WHY they won’t do this.

$$$

47 posted on 09/24/2009 2:33:22 PM PDT by houeto (Long Live the Republic)
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To: Borges

I went to Juarez with my sister, my mom, and my mom’s friend back in the early 70’s ... 3 women and a small boy ... it seemed pretty tame ... no concerns about safety as I recall ... we were obviously only in the “touristy” areas ... I remember liking the food and trying to impress everyone by counting to 10 in Spanish ...


48 posted on 09/24/2009 2:43:05 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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