Posted on 09/23/2009 7:42:18 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
"More than likely, a US collapse will have direct and balkanizing effects not only on the US but also on the weak Canadian confederacy, tied economically to the hip of the US economic might or there lack of, and to the civil war torn Mexican giant.
As such, from what was originally four states: Canada, USA, Mexico and Cuba, as well as the dozen or so small island statelits of the north Caribbean, will form thirteen new entities, separated politically and economically. We will now review each and everyone of these, starting from the West and moving to the East. "
(Excerpt) Read more at english.pravda.ru ...
Sad.
There was an earlier article from Pravda, purportedly written by a Russian Colonel IIRC. It also asserted the USA would break up, but it was all too obviously written by someone who knew nothing of American history, and so simply drew lines at random on a map, regardless of the deep differences between the states cobbled together into new “countries”. Apparently the Russians read the criticisms and mockery of the earlier article; this new version was written by someone with at least a smattering of US history . But I still don’t believe it, as it shows states leaving the USA and forming new confederacies with the old state boundaries intact. No way! Not with the big cities forming blue islands in seas of red or at least purple in pretty much all the states. And the notion of an Alaskan republic “naturally” entering the Russian sphere of domination (a sphere itself in danger of imminent collapse due to Russian demographics)? Get real!
Shouldn't that read: "[...] US economic might or lack thereof, and on the war-torn Mexican giant."?
These people are journalists?
Regards,
This is a much more realistic scenario reflecting demographics should the US split into territorial governments in a rebuke of the feral government.
Was this the article you were referring to??
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American capitalism gone with a whimper
pravda.ru ^ | 29May09 | Stanislav Mishin
Posted on 05/29/2009 3:29:52 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey
It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.
(Excerpt) Read more at english.pravda.ru ...
The other pravda article (and I am not going waste time trying to google for it) was about the USA breaking down into separate countries, and it had South Carolina joining with NY and other northeastern states, and it had Alaska being invaded and colonized by Russians apparently without the Alaska national guard firing one shot, much less Alaskan citizens who are armed to the teeth (Kodiaks!),it had Utah joining Ca and NE and other SW states with not a word about Utah being from those states in terms of history and folkways...It was remarkably dumb.
Agreed, they put forward a much more plausible scenario this time around, their previous effort looked like someone just drawing random lines on a map - while this time around they did put a little thought into it.
Y’know what? I think they are lurking on FR, and they read us laughing at their earlier effort...Because the very things changed in this newer effort were *precisely* the things we mocked in the older one. (The older one did not IIRC even mention the CSA and that earlier attempt at secession!)
Articles like these show how the US is perceived by the
international community. Or at least by Russia/USSR. It is
sad, but shows the depth of misinformation that the communist
education system inculcated into the population.
CWII ping?
Other than the West Coast forming a Green Marxist Police State, don’t find much in here that’s plausible.
As to his premise of how things would break down I think he makes some "presumptuous assumptions". It is OK, though, despite the rest of the world thinking they are so much more "smarter" then us and they think they know everything about the US when they really don't know jack.
As long as this guy is making some "presumptuous assumptions" I am going to play too and make some "presumptuous assumptions" of my own.
He seems to think that just because someone is of "Mexican" or "Hispanic" descent that they would want to be joined with Mexico. Perhaps the "Hispanic" race warriors like MEChA and La Raza do but the average person of Mexican descent left Mexico because it is a shithole run by a corrupt to the bone government that really doesn't even run it anymore-the drug lords do. Given the choice I don't see many of them choosing to go join with Mexico. (I am talking of course about American Hispanics, not the illegals)
He also assumes that Canada would remain in one piece. The western provinces of Canada and the NWT/Yukon are sick to death of having their lifeblood being sucked dry to fund the "socialist workers paradise" nanny state policies Ontario and Quebec force down their throats while having essentially no say in the matter. They are much like the "red states", they have been derided by the "elites" in Ontario and Quebec as being a bunch of "idiot rednecks" who aren't smart enough to know what is good for them as defined by those "elitists". If those provinces decided to break off there is nothing the government of Canada could do, they don't have an army anymore thanks to decades of neglect and defunding by the elitists in Ottawa-they have a "peacekeeping force". He also assumes that Quebec would go it's own way which is probably the case if the rest of Canada quits paying for them. The ROC pays an awful lot of money to fund their "solitude" within the Canadian confederation.
He also assumes that whole states would join this, that or the other "entity". If push came to shove the coastal areas of California, Oregon and Washington would want to create their own moonbat hippy EcoUtopia, but the people east of the Cascades/Coastal ranges in the high plains/valley areas probably would not. Does anyone really think the farmers of central valley of California would want to join up with the San Francisco elites after the crap they have pulled on them over a stupid fish (despite what Paul Rodriguez says)? Same goes for the farmers/ranchers/loggers/miners of Washington and Oregon.
His point about Hawaii is valid. In the end they would end up being "colonized" by the Chinese just like many countries in Africa are becoming. They would leave the "native government" in as figurehead but they would run the show to their own advantage. The native Hawaiians in the end would wish for the "bad old days" of being a US state because the Chinese really don't give a damn about them and if they become too troublesome they will go the way of the Dodo bird.
I can see it breaking down into the following configuration after all the fighting is done and everything settles down...
MN, IA, WI, IL, IN, OH, PA, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, VT, NH, ME joining with ON, MB, NB, NF, NS and PEI with Nunavut and Labrador along for the ride. There is no way NH would maintain it's sovereignty, they are surrounded.
Quebec would go it alone.
The parts of WA, OR and CA west of the Cascades/Coastal ranges forming up with BC. It won't last very long, though. It can't feed itself, it also doesn't have enough in the way of power generating capacity and potable water unless they can reach an agreement for those things with the "USNA". They would not be able to afford to build those things fast enough to supply themselves and even if they wanted to their socialist Ecotopia government probably would not allow them to. Also they would fracture along the lines of partisanship that the leftists have been pushing for decades in the US. In the end they would probably end up being either another Chinese "colony" or joining up with the USNA after they get to the point where they realize that being "green" means living a 5th century agrarian existence.
The high plains/valley parts of WA, OR, CA east of the Cascades/Coastal ranges along with AB, SK, NWT, YT, AK and all the states not listed above would form up the United States of North America (USNA). Despite the regional differences the people in these areas share pretty much the same basic values and views. They want to live freely and they don't want some nanny state government meddling in their lives. They also find the nihilistic and communistic values and morals of the "coastal elitists" to be abhorrent.
We already have the sociopolitical divides, we’re just waiting for everyone to go to their respective corners.
up...
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“Confederate States of America
It was always said that the South shall rise again, and this will be its moment. Culturally and politically distinct from their northern overlords, the CSA has been a nation occupied for 145 years. This time around, no longer dependent on cotton and farm goods, and having a large industrial base, the Confederacy, minus Texas and the Florida Keyes but with the states of Maryland, Kansas, Kentucky and Missouri, and allied to Texas, it will easily be able to withhold the weakened and splintered rump US/Canada.
As a government, it will be a weak federal organ, closer to the original American constitution. It will reach out to the EU for further trade and assistance. Russia will also see fit to aid and trade with the splinter state.
Cuban Commonwealth
The post Castro/Raul Cuba will be an expansionist power. With a military trained by Russia and a splintering America to the north, Cuba will take the opportunity to bring the various small island nations of the northern/central Caribbean into borders. At the same time, having effectively and completely colonized the Florida Keyes, Cuba will move to annex the territory. Since this will cause problems to the CSA, Cuba will find close allies in the form of the rump US/Canada and that of Republica Del Norta. “
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Sounds good to me but Cuba can’t have the Keys. That’s part of Florida, sorry. The Keys have the lobster, the most best fishing, tourism, they can’t have the Keys. It belongs to the South and will remain. The rest sounds great to me.
TY for the ping. Looks like Texas is the place to be, but I like Florida and no, Cuba cannot have the Keys. They belong to Florida. What say you?
Indeed we do, but Florida needs to kick those hard core leftists out of the Broward area.
I didn’t want to make my division too elaborate, but I think S. FL will be its own unique case, self-ruled and closely tied to the Carib and Latin America.
Yeah, that’s it...It’s obvious from a glance at the map down in the comments that the author has no clue about US history, population demographics, etc. He just drew the lines at random based on God knows what criteria.
Well check who *IS* in charge and prevailing in the USA. (Hint: it's not Conservative/Constitutionalists)
Then, do a state-by-state breakdown. Realize that many, many states in the USA are effectively Socialist now and for the foreseeable future. New York, New Jersey, Mass, California.
Now contemplate having your whole life run by the people in these states, and the 'purple states' that they manage to flip using childhood indoctrination (see:Drudge), Acorn style vote fraud(see:news); legislative election theft (see: Mass, New Jersey, Missouri, etc.)
In fact I'm going to have more of my income confiscated to fund minority give-aways, I'm going to have my health care dumbed down, etc.
Is it any wonder I'm less than enthusiastic about the continuation of all this.
OK.....and? You think things would change by splitting off states?
Clueless.
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