Posted on 09/21/2009 9:11:28 AM PDT by mojito
Tony Trimble couldn't catch a break.
As one of the lead attorneys for Sen. Norm Coleman following Election Day, he hadn't stopped working in months.
And as he watched the Republican's lead over Democrat Al Franken slip steadily and then finally vanish in the largest recount in American history, he marveled at how everything seemed to be breaking Franken's way. Clerical corrections, countless one- and two-vote shifts from sloppily filled-out ballots, major judicial rulings. They all added to Franken's vote quarry.
In the closing days of the recount, Trimble watched, dumbstruck, as 933 rejected absentee ballots — once the domain of Republicans — were opened and counted. "Franken ... Franken ... Coleman ... Franken."
"I felt like I was in the middle of the desert," said Trimble, a stalwart Republican whose knowledge of election law traced to his childhood in Walker, Minn., where his parents were active in the party and his mother was an election judge during the 2008 election. A colleague concluded Trimble was "traumatized" by the event.
In truth, not every break had gone to Franken, but so many had that it made the difference.
For Marc Elias, a Franken attorney and D.C. heavyweight who had fought to get those ballots opened, what had transpired was merely the manifestation of a post-election philosophy he espouses: "The will of the electorate is going to come out one way or the other."
To Trimble and many Republicans, the Democrats had outfoxed,out-argued, and out-dataed them.
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Scam.
The unfortunate residents of that state may accept this.
However, if it’s done on a national level, there will be a revolt. And not a pretty one.
I’m sick and tired of being outmanuevered by libs. When do we start outmanuevering these asshats!?
Don't they always?
I'm thinking about the Starr investigation, when they had Lewinsky by the throat. They never squeezed her to find out where she got the (suborning perjury) Talking Points Memo in order to work their way up the food chain.
Democrats are wolves. Republicans are lambs.
As we saw in Florida, any factor which impairs the ability to repeatedly read a ballot during a recount is going to hurt the majority candidate in that batch more than the minority candidate in that batch, simply because the majority candidate has more ballots subject to being tattered, etc.
“Elias again had proved himself worthy of his status as the go-to gunner for Democrats nationwide. He represents all but a handful of Democrats in the U.S. Senate and has prepared to fight or has fought close Senate elections every two years for a decade. “
Wakey wakey, eggs and bakey kiddies. We have a tactical bottleneck here. This guy goes down, it all falls.
Which is why switching to a national popular vote (in whatever guise) would be a curse quite apart from the framers’ intent in setting up the electoral college. All of a sudden a regional recount becomes a national recount.
The fact that the Bush team was able to pull it off in 2000 is all that more remarkable.
Counting fraudulent ACORN “votes” of non-existent people, is not the “will if the people”.
It's called election theft, and fraud. This lawyer and Franken both should be in jail today.
It needs to be well planned ahead of time.
One obvious thing: Recount methods should be instituted which cause minimal or no damage to ballots.
Don’t forget about King County, WA and the election that inserted (yet again) a dem gov. They kept recounting and recounting until they got the answer they wanted. Then the recounts ended.
>> In truth, not every break had gone to Franken, but so many had that it made the difference.
Anything goes when the elections are that close. The attorney should remind himself often that the voters are most responsible for the outcome.
And they recounted more times in Pubbie areas, thus destroying more Pubbie ballots.
“Now it was clear: The Coleman side didn’t have clean copies of their own evidence. Campaign workers had marked up their original copies. The Franken team was under no legal obligation to provide their copies ? and Elias wasn’t about to; after all, this was Coleman’s case to put on.”
Huh? Why couldn’t Coleman’s side subpeona that “best evidence”? Something doesn’t make sense here...
Yup.
Bush outmaneuvered the RATS every time. The loony left were angry with Bush, not because they really thought Bush “stole” the election. No. They hated Bush because Bush prevented the loony left from stealing the election in Florida.
Yup.
They lost because they never realized they were in an all out war.
When we do, they scream bloody murder, like the 2000 presidential election they tried to steal.
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NO one need wonder why Keith Ellison and Betty McGollum always support what ACORN wants and always oppose voter ID in voting...
They started staying up till 4AM plotting this since the day SCOTUS ruled against AlGore. Such is life when you eat/breathe/sleep/live politics, 24x7x365
Which, IMO, is why they were so angry. They KNEW that they had cheated. The only way we could have won, in their opinion, was to have cheated better.
That’s what P’d them off.
("...his mother was an election judge during the 2008 election. A colleague concluded Trimble was "traumatized" by the event." How much experience does this guy have anyway?)
As soon as we get a gob of zillionaires like Soros et.al. to buy the elections for us. /s
Seriously, the Republican party has elites who are pleased to see the Democrat elites take over everything since their goals are identical. Unfortunately, we, conservatives, surrendered long ago before we knew we were in a war or who was the enemy.
In your dreams -'they' are not referred to as The Sheeple for nothing!
Democrats are criminals. Republicans are not.
“They kept recounting and recounting until they got the answer they wanted. Then the recounts ended.”
Exactly. And they would have done it in Gore/Florida 2000 if the SCOTUS hadnt shut it down.
Couldn’t Pawlenty have put an end to this before the ‘Rat fraud machine got fully cranked up?
Democrats appoint justices while they are in office, and Republicans allow their justices to be blocked.
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE COURTS.
Voter rolls should be verified, voter ID should be required, ink should be applied to a finger, and primaries should be closed to non-party members.
The fact that neither party really wants the system to be airtight makes me weep for my country.
Remember the words of Hugh Hewitt: "If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat"; The necessary corollary is that if it is close you WILL lose unless you stop their cheating.
Well that explains a lot. It was evident to anyone except partisan Democrats that Starr was not displaying the kind of killer instinct a competent prosecutor would.
We need to fight fairly but as dirty as needed to get the outcome that reflects the election results, and we need to do the paperwork PERFECTLY so we don't mess it up. The GOP should have specialists whose only job is to make sure these recounts reflect honest results, with no data "lost" by the other side.
In the 2000 election I was a Poll Watcher in Houston, Texas. We needed at least 100 Poll Watchers to cover all of the suspicious precincts; there were only two of us.
Read my report which I posted as my Opus on Vote Fraud. In that election I prevented at least 100 fraudulent votes, mostly people who went from one polling place to the next voting multiple times. 100 fraudulent votes was about 12% of the votes cast that day at my assigned precinct. It does not count the fraudulent votes that slipped past me.
Based on my experience in several elections, at least 5% and possibly 10% of all votes cast in presidential elections are fraudulent. That means that Republicans must win by over 10% to beat the fraud.
Now, not only will the dims cover up the fraud, they will not FINANCE IT WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS!
Conservatives are incredibly naive if they think fraud is not important.
as far as the Minn sham, rats are shysters we all know that....until pubs start fighting as hard and as devious they will lose...
I am tired of our people being the "good" people and losing...
the "good" people better wise up....
there is no crime in fighting to save America from the evil creeps now running it...infact, its a GREAT and GOOD thing to do so....
the lesson also ought to be to voters....keep voting your stinking third party and you will get the Freakin every time....
so enjoy your Freak Minn...
Bush won because he had RAT attorneys.....LOL
“They kept recounting and recounting until they got the answer they wanted. Then the recounts ended.”
They’ve made no secret of using that strategy, and have employed it for decades.
The "otherwise" refers to his chapter about Design as one of the six components of an integrated mind-set. As an example, he states that poor ballot design was the reason that Al Gore lost the 2000 election, citing the "butterfly ballot" (that supposedly gave Gore votes to Buchanan) and one other example. He brings up no examples of poor design working against Bush instead of Gore, but then he admits that he was a Gore operative.
Liberals assume that power is naturally theirs. If they don't get power, then it's Republican evil or just plain bad luck that made it so -- not their policies.
Agreed. Also, as well as your prudent reforms I'd suggest a flat rule to be implemented across the country requiring congressional constituencies to be required to comply to a single standard around density and shape to prevent or at least minimise the current gerrymandering both parties practice. No more of these farcical ones that are 25 blocks long and one block wide to avoid a clump of enemy voters!
Absolutely. I believe someone has proposed expanding the US House such that each Rep represents 500,000(?) people. I forget what the name of the plan is, but it has some good points. And I agree with you about the oddly shaped districts created by gerrymandering.
I think tour estimates a probably very conservative concerning fraud :)
Good gracious, let me try that again.
I think your estimates are probably very conservative concerning fraud :)
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