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3,000 Retired Educators Take Home Six-Figure Pensions (California, of course)
Orange County Register ^ | 9/18/2009 | Tony Saveedra and Jennifer Muir

Posted on 09/20/2009 5:01:29 PM PDT by ditchdigger

Retired Capistrano Unified School District Superintendent James A. Fleming could face jail if convicted on a felony indictment charging him with using school resources to track his political enemies.

But that won't stop his public pensions from rolling in. Fleming collects $141,331 a year in California state teacher retirement funds, on top of the $64,068 pension he collects from working 27 years in Florida. Even if convicted on the 2007 charges, both his pensions will remain untouched.

Fleming is one of 3,090 educators in the California State Teachers' Retirement System who make at least $100,000 a year in taxpayer-guaranteed public pensions, according to a CalSTRS database obtained under the state Public Records Act...

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: california; nea; pensions; publicsector; retirees; seniors; teachers; unions
I like this one: "It definitely makes me wonder where the public gets the notion this is a windfall (for teachers)," said Kimberly Claytor, president of the Newport-Mesa Federation of Teachers. "Every educator I've known who is getting a STRS pension has spent decades – decades – providing services to children."

Wow Kimberly...decades working in their chosen career?

1 posted on 09/20/2009 5:01:29 PM PDT by ditchdigger
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To: ditchdigger

Decades, Decades, except most of June, all of July and August and several other weeks during the ‘school year’. Otherwise, Decades. Here in Massachusetts, we are not hurting for people who are looking to teach (aside from the math & sciences).


2 posted on 09/20/2009 5:04:54 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: ditchdigger

The word is TEACHERS!


3 posted on 09/20/2009 5:06:10 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: ditchdigger
There is something exceptionally delicious about The Envy Ray being turned on teachers' union members.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

4 posted on 09/20/2009 5:10:13 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

Indeed...this seems contrary to the accepted and promulgated meme of “the underpaid teacher.”


5 posted on 09/20/2009 5:13:02 PM PDT by ditchdigger
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To: ditchdigger

How can someone work 27 years in Florida and retire with a pension from there, then go to work in California and work enough years to to build up an even bigger retirement from that state? It does not seem possible?


6 posted on 09/20/2009 5:13:05 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: ditchdigger

Any word from obamma on these guys making too much in pensions? Has the pay czar started an investigation?


7 posted on 09/20/2009 5:15:30 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: ditchdigger
So this "decades" chap must be at least a 20 year veteran of California.
8 posted on 09/20/2009 5:19:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: rawhide

Oh no no no. Not enough school buses to throw them under.


9 posted on 09/20/2009 5:19:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: ditchdigger
Indeed...this seems contrary to the accepted and promulgated meme of “the underpaid teacher.”

About, hmmm, maybe 1000 people every 24 hours are waking up. They are waking up to the fundamental lies which have kept humanity enslaved for thousands of years. The old order is passing away...and they are wetting themselves in terror.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

10 posted on 09/20/2009 5:30:21 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: ditchdigger
Wow Kimberly...decades working in their chosen career?

Looking at in a realistic light, they spent decades because they couldn't be fired!

11 posted on 09/20/2009 5:30:28 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Chickensoup

This is a retired Capistrano Unified School District Superintendent. It would not surprise me if he has never been in a classroom.


12 posted on 09/20/2009 5:33:45 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Your It.)
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To: ditchdigger
The size of the pensions aside, I think the point here is whether pensions should be forfeited if a worker is convicted of a misdemeanor or a felony, even if the crime is unrelated to the job for which the person is receiving the pension.

Hate teachers, if you want to. Hate unions, if you want to. To me, this is a very creepy idea. Don't forget how greedy the government got once so-called drug-related property confiscations became "legal," allowing such confiscations without due process!

13 posted on 09/20/2009 5:35:07 PM PDT by kittykat77
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To: ditchdigger

Defund ACORN, next, defund public education (socialized indoctrination).


14 posted on 09/20/2009 5:47:12 PM PDT by budwiesest (All Sarah has to do is go out and be Sarah. The people will do the rest.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Maybe not in California.


15 posted on 09/20/2009 5:53:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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16 posted on 09/20/2009 5:54:34 PM PDT by narses
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To: kittykat77

The brouhaha came because he used the school’s internet system, contrary to the rules, to fight a political enemy.

I can’t possibly see that doing away with his pension if he otherwise did the job OK. But there doesn’t even look like there was a slap on the wrist for him here.


17 posted on 09/20/2009 5:56:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: The Comedian
They are waking up to the fundamental lies which have kept humanity enslaved for thousands of years. The old order is passing away...and they are wetting themselves in terror.

I don't have a clue as to what you mean by those statements.

I have no doubt that you don't either.

'Twas a mere gum flapping exercise, no doubt.

But I'm sure that you feel much better after having said it.

Anyway, newbie, welcome to FR.....and Salute!



18 posted on 09/20/2009 6:27:52 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: ditchdigger

the concept of a pension doesn’t even exist in my field (software). yet, i am supposed to continue paying these clowns even if they aren’t working??

sounds a lot like congress


19 posted on 09/20/2009 6:50:22 PM PDT by sten
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To: rawhide

Actually pension double-dipping is more common than you might realize.
A lot of these superintendent level educators make big bucks and negotiate very lucrative deals for benefits and retirements. State university major domos also have some outrageous deals.
As my Dad used to sarcastically say, “nothing’s too good for the taxpayers”


20 posted on 09/20/2009 6:56:10 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: ditchdigger

Well, there should at least be a clause in there that if you commit a serious crime you forfeit the pension! That one clause alone would probably save the taxpayers of CA a pretty penny.


21 posted on 09/20/2009 7:29:18 PM PDT by Melian ("In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned." Twain)
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To: Melian
That one clause alone would probably save the taxpayers of CA a pretty penny.

Trying to imagine where this state wastes money would be mind boggling. I'd guess that something slightly less than half of the budget is Acornian and represents an investment in 'people' with zero impact on infrustructure.

I could be wrong, it could be much larger than that and it is appropriate to sight the lack of major projects being undertaken as a sign of such. Filling wallets with money takes presidence over building a dam and filling it with water, don't cha know.

22 posted on 09/20/2009 9:28:14 PM PDT by budwiesest (All Sarah has to do is go out and be Sarah. The people will do the rest.)
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To: kittykat77

What about the ex-cop Peterson who murdered his wife? Should he collect his 72K per year pension in prison?


23 posted on 09/20/2009 10:17:21 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: boop
That's a very good legal question that is far beyond what I know. I doubt that pension agreements generally include any language stating that pension payments end if the retiree winds up in jail for life -- maybe they should! Then again, other people may be dependent upon someone's pension, eg, a spouse or a disabled child. So why punish them too?
24 posted on 09/21/2009 8:24:12 AM PDT by kittykat77
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To: ditchdigger

And they’ve done such a bang-up job too, haven’t they? They should be paying the American public back.


25 posted on 09/21/2009 8:33:32 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: LasVegasMac
I don't have a clue as to what you mean by those statements.

I have no doubt that you don't either.

If you don't understand something, the most dangerous and least productive path to take is to assume it is meaningless.

Never make the assumption that everyone is as ignorant of the same things you are, my FRiend. And thanks for the half-hearted welcome.

26 posted on 09/21/2009 9:03:42 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: kittykat77

“Don’t forget how greedy the government got once so-called drug-related property confiscations became “legal,” allowing such confiscations without due process!”

They don’t do nearly enough of it!


27 posted on 09/21/2009 9:12:08 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: ditchdigger
Government at all levels, federal, state, county and city, is government has become massive, bloated, and all controlling, while those in government now collect opulent salaries, benefits and lottery style retirement pensions, while the entire private sector loses it's homes, investments, retirements, jobs etc...

Americans can no longer afford these government tax paid life styles and wages of fire fighters, teachers, city councilmen, mayors, governors, congress members, cops, and all the other millions of government employees. It's crushing America as government clings to the backs of tax payers.

To compound this subversion of our system, the things government is supposed to do, like secure our borders and protect our sovereignty, it refuses to do, while at the same time forcing the people to pay for this epic lawless violence and chaos.

28 posted on 09/21/2009 9:19:22 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: The Comedian
There is something exceptionally delicious about The Envy Ray being turned on teachers' union members.

Those that can't do, live quite well in their reclining years.

29 posted on 09/21/2009 9:27:02 AM PDT by Stentor
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