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Obama Administration Calls for Study on Removing Dams from Snake River to Help Salmon
CNS News ^ | 9/18/2009 | William McCall

Posted on 09/20/2009 8:41:57 AM PDT by IbJensen

Portland, Ore. - Calling it an "insurance policy" for Pacific Northwest salmon, the Obama administration on Tuesday offered up a tougher conservation plan for the fish that includes climate-change monitoring and the "last-resort" possibility of removing dams.

The plan submitted to a federal judge for approval was a revised version of a Bush administration plan that had been in the works for years, but which was rejected.

Reaction to the new plan was sharply divided, echoing a debate that stretches back decades over balancing Columbia River Basin fish survival and hydroelectric dams: It either goes too far or not far enough.

Environmentalists say it does little to enhance the Bush administration plan the judge has already called inadequate, while business groups worry it could lead to drastic measures such as dam removal on the lower Snake River in southeastern Washington state.

"We appreciate that President Obama took the time to look at this, but we see little more than a veiled attempt to pass off the old Bush plan as a new one," said Greg Stahl, assistant policy director for Idaho Rivers United.

Another environmentalist was even more critical, calling the new plan "illegal and scientifically unsound."

Nicole Cordan, legal and policy director of the Save Our Wild Salmon coalition, said the Obama administration acknowledged the analysis in the Bush plan was uncertain and potentially overly optimistic but stuck with much of it.

"Again, we've had eight years of these same actions and same kind of work, and what we're seeing is a whole lot of money spent and not a whole lot of impact happening on the ground," Cordan said.

Most of the $750 million spent each year on salmon conservation comes from Bonneville Power Administration ratepayers. The Portland-based BPA is the federal power marketing agency that shares salmon recovery management with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation.

The plan submitted by NOAA to U.S. District Judge James Redden on Tuesday is called a "biological opinion" that sets the requirements for ensuring salmon survival under the Endangered Species Act.

The chief of NOAA, former Oregon State University professor Jane Lubchenco, said the additional measures recommended by the Obama administration take into account the uncertainties mentioned by critics and tries to adjust for them.

She noted the new plan would immediately expand research and monitoring, and set specific biological "triggers" for strong conservation measures if numbers of endangered or threatened fish fail to reach certain benchmarks.

"It's definitely not business as usual," Lubchenco told The Associated Press in an interview. Lubchenco, widely considered a top expert in marine ecology, defended the scientific models used to draft the plan but said more research would be required to make sure it works and to adapt it to variable conditions, including climate change.

She called for an end to litigation over the plan in order to move forward with conservation measures that may not enjoy unanimous support but resulted from a regional consensus, including many American Indian tribes.

"We believe the time has come to get out of the courtroom," Lubchenco said.

The biological opinion has been a work in progress since 2000, and has twice been rejected by Redden who, at one point, threatened to take over management of Columbia River Basin hydroelectric dams.

But some elements of the plan, including a recommendation that the Corps of Engineers study the possible removal of the four lower Snake River dams, raised serious concerns with U.S. Rep. Doc Hastings, the top Republican on the House Natural Resources Committee.

"The Obama administration has put dam removal back on the table and delivered just what dam removal extremists have been demanding," said Hastings, whose committee has jurisdiction over fish recovery and federal hydropower dams.

Lubchenco, however, emphasized the possibility of breaching any dams was considered only "an option of last resort."

Steve Wright, Bonneville Power Administration chief, repeated Lubchenco's cautionary note, adding that hydroelectricity produced by the dams is not only relatively cheap, it does not cause any carbon dioxide pollution, considered the main cause of global warming.

"Climate change is always lurking in the background" of any environmental policy decisions, Wright said.

Reaction among other members of the Northwest congressional delegation was mixed. Sen. Jeff Merkley, an Oregon Democrat, said the Obama administration made a number of improvements over the previous proposal but he worries about more litigation stalling salmon recovery efforts.

His spokeswoman, Julie Edwards, said Merkley agrees with Republican Sens. Mike Crapo and Jim Risch of Idaho "that a regional dialogue among all the stakeholders will be necessary to forge a lasting solution."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dams; enviroextremism; obama; snakeriver
All environmental movements in this nation have one goal: Socialism/Communism.

They are choking this country to death by using fish lying dead on a river bank in a phony attempt to save all the fish. People are the important part of the equation. The destruction these groups cause is the reason environmentalism should be illegal and banned! Let the people have Freedom.

1 posted on 09/20/2009 8:41:58 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

A good way to start a civil war, you POS marxist.


2 posted on 09/20/2009 8:45:24 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: IbJensen

When are states going to take matter in their own hands over this crap? You got Arnold in the fetal position over the feds withholding water from the Valley farmers.


3 posted on 09/20/2009 8:45:56 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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To: IbJensen

more greeniecommie crap to de-energize America.....Salmon and Steelhead are smart enough to use fish ladders....build some more ladders if they are needed!


4 posted on 09/20/2009 8:46:58 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: IbJensen

In addition to socialism/communism, they want to leave us all shivering in the dark (or sweating in the dark) by FURTHER REDUCING THE SUPPLY OF ENERGY IN OUR COUNTRY. These are hydroelectric dams, they produce electricity. More proof the “green” movement is the “red” movement with different advertising.


5 posted on 09/20/2009 8:49:33 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: IbJensen

Racist dams...


6 posted on 09/20/2009 8:51:48 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: IbJensen

Removing Dams, so Terrorists don’t have to!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI3I0UTCUqg

Recognise it for what it is.


7 posted on 09/20/2009 8:53:59 AM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Actually I agree. There is no need to remove the dams, but the Snake River Sockeye has been reduced to almost nothing. The easier solution, and one needed up and down the Columbia River Basin is fish ladders. These would help all the Salmon runs.

Provided the Native Americans actually take their gill nets out of the rivers.


8 posted on 09/20/2009 8:55:05 AM PDT by DaiHuy (One Big Assed Mistake America)
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To: IbJensen
The dams are state owned.

BTW, it's time for "push back" and that should happen in Chicago. At one time the waterfront from what is now the Wisconsin state line all the way around to Burns Ditch, Indiana was a swampy woodland with numerous small streams that provided breeding grounds for various native fish such as Lake Trout.

As Chicago grew these species expired and almost all native species have been exterminated by invasive species and the absence of the desirable breeding grounds now occupied by Chicago.

It is time to REMOVE THE BUILDINGS and bring back the small streams.

This can be done quickly with dynamite and backhoes within Obama's FIRST YEAR in office!

9 posted on 09/20/2009 8:58:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: IbJensen

More proof that Environmentalists are Fascists


10 posted on 09/20/2009 8:59:43 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (America is still great....no matter what Globalists, Communists, Anti-Birthers, Terrorists think)
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To: IbJensen

The environmental extremists oppose all forms of energy generation that release CO2, because of “global warming”. They also oppose solar power in the Mojave Desert. (If it’s not okay there, where is it okay with them?). They oppose hydroelectric upstream of other dams. (Again, if it’s not okay there, where is it okay with them?). I think what they oppose is human civilization.


11 posted on 09/20/2009 9:00:26 AM PDT by TurtleUp (I believe that America is good and that human life is good, so I'm a conservative.)
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To: IbJensen
Open up the taps and give the farmers in California water to grow their crops..These places have become deserts because of one little minnow..These people in Washington are trying to run farmers out of business so we can all go on welfare and depend on government for food..Keep your dirty hands off out environment Obama unless you want to open the water up to the California farmers..
12 posted on 09/20/2009 9:01:29 AM PDT by PLD
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To: DaiHuy
Needs repeating...."Provided the Native Americans actually take their gill nets out of the rivers."
13 posted on 09/20/2009 9:05:52 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Democrat party has always been the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism and surrender)
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To: DaiHuy

Just so you can know, I have personally cut the binding on 5 bales of straw which went immediately into 2 rivers emptying into the Sound.....this was mid-70’s, prior to Judge Bolt’s ruling.


14 posted on 09/20/2009 9:07:03 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: IbJensen
"Climate change is always lurking in the background" of any environmental policy decisions, Wright said.

The key statement in the article...

15 posted on 09/20/2009 9:13:48 AM PDT by mikrofon (<- Former Hydro Engr)
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To: All
Yet not one word from Herr Obama on the Salton Sea.

The largest lake in California which is drying up.

16 posted on 09/20/2009 9:21:49 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: IbJensen

How about removing this administration to save America?

The fricking fish don’t “need help”!
Human Beings NEED HELP!


17 posted on 09/20/2009 9:23:02 AM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: IbJensen

Lessee

Fish go up the river, spawn and die. Little fish grow up, go down the river tothe sea and get bittger, returning to spawn and die. OK, risnse, repeat.

A veeeeeeerrrryyyyyy long time ago, Indians (Amerinds, Natives, First Nation, etc, whatever the current trendy name is for those folk) caught and ate the fish to survive. NOw they catch the fish to sell. No fish, less dough gor - whatever.

The dams make a lot of electicity used over a very wide area. Used in everything from hospital incubators keeping timy babies alive to keeping you ice cream frozen. Oh, ya, and a lot f businesses use the juce as well.

So - what’s the choice? A few Indians can’t pick up some dough by selling fish or letting babies die?

(No, I won’t run for office, but thanks for the offer)

First and foremost, this is a political problem.

The fish don’t care and if they were that important, put in some hatcheries. THey would cost les than the money spend by the BPA, and might give jobs to the Indians.

Last word to the Indians (having lived in WA state until fleeing to AK) NO representation without taxation.


18 posted on 09/20/2009 10:20:14 AM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: IbJensen

This is an attempt to cultivate Californians, because he knows perfectly well that Congress won’t let this happen. My son is a fisherman there and hates Bush because he believes Bush was anti-fisherman; the truth is that Bush tried to pass numerous initiatives (such as this one, which is directly from Bush) but once the Dems were in charge, he couldn’t get them through. So now Bambi, knowing that the Dems are in charge and these things have no chance of passing and making him look bad with the enviros, can support this Bush iniative.

Thanks to all the jerks who voted for Bambi...and all the jerks who voted for Dems or didn’t vote at all and gave us a Congress that made it impossible for Bush to do the positive things he wanted to do.


19 posted on 09/20/2009 10:33:24 AM PDT by livius
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To: IbJensen

Usually dams are put in for reasons of flooding. I guess now fish are more important than people’s lives and property are?


20 posted on 09/20/2009 10:36:18 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: livius

I know what you’re saying, we have some brain-dead family members too but it’s way past time for these people to be put straight and quit blaming Bush. It’s ludicrous the lack of balanced thinking out there.

They need to do some research on fisheries development, what works and what doesn’t and see just exactly who was supporting the good conservation efforts, not the politcal efforts.


21 posted on 09/20/2009 10:40:57 AM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: IbJensen

De-development at work


22 posted on 09/20/2009 11:44:46 AM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: pissant; Jeff Head; Grampa Dave; amom; blackie; PhilDragoo; All

O and his enviro freaks at it again! We’re looking at the dams near me being taken out...at millions of cost to ELECTRIC customers...yet the powers that be tell us to drive electric cars, but soon the electricity will be as high as gas!

IDIOTS! CORRUPT IDIOTS!


23 posted on 09/20/2009 11:49:18 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: DaiHuy

“Provided the Native Americans actually take their gill nets out of the rivers.”

What a load of crappola that is! Modern ‘native Americans’ waste more fish than the rest of us use altogether. Living proof that ‘a nation within a nation’ DOES NOT WORK!


24 posted on 09/20/2009 11:51:25 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: IbJensen
I have a better idea, why don't we remove all the dams from California rivers in the north(the south doesn't really have rivers)and then we can see the valley flood every year like it did in the past. Why I have seen pictures of where people rowed their boats between Sacramento and Stockton because the whole valley was flooded.

Then there is the matter of water storage, who cares if people have nothing to drink in the summer? The north usually has rivers that run year round and we can always cut off water to LA and San Diego and all little towns in the surrounding areas, not to mention that farmers won't have to worry about the water being turned on because their won't be any.(do I need the sarcasm tag?)

25 posted on 09/20/2009 11:54:18 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: IbJensen
They have proposed the removal of four dams on the Klamath River. If they succeed, I believe these will be the largest dams removed in the United States.

You should see the corruption in the agencies and the use of corrupted science to support dam removal. It is obscene. For instance, sampling behind the dams in 2006 discovered cyanide and dioxin at levels hazardous to human health in the sediment behind the dams. Siskiyou County, which opposes dam removal, raised concerns about the human and environmental damage breaching the dams would cause. (Such poisonous sediment would require dredging and disposal of sediment in special landfills at an exorbitant cost rather than release downstream.) We also questioned the costs/benefits of removal if responsible treatment of the hazards and restoration of the land exposed where included in the considerations.

In response, the federal and state government's have worked to shield themselves from any liability, have excluded County consultants from auditing the scientific process and have ordered new sediment sampling down the middle of the stream where problems are least likely and to specifically exclude any further sampling for cyanide or dioxin. Sediment models used have been experimental ones that assume a particulate size larger than what actually exists behind the dams - models that produce a favorable flushing result- rather than the likely result of long term suspension of sediment in the water column.

A recent TMDL (Clean Water Act total maximum daily load for pollutants) set for the Klamath forces dam removal. It is all so corrupt. By the way, the same groups behind the Central Valley water cut off (PCFFA, etc.) are the same people behind the Klamath. They have shut down the timber and mining industries for salmon and have made a huge dent in any viable agricultural industry. It is a massive transfer of wealth.

http://www.klamathbasincrisis.org/settlement/letters/2009.htm
http://www.klamathbasincrisis.org/settlement/articles09/2009.htm

26 posted on 09/20/2009 11:57:45 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2

“You should see the corruption in the agencies and the use of corrupted science to support dam removal. It is obscene.”

BTT!!


27 posted on 09/20/2009 12:04:28 PM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: AuntB

I’ve been hearing about this on our radio.

We should be listed on the Endangered Species Act. We ARE an endangered species!!!


28 posted on 09/20/2009 12:06:12 PM PDT by amom
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To: IbJensen

So how is it that they are going to charge all of these electric cars they want? No nuclear power, no hydro, no coal, heck they are even protesting wind and solar.


29 posted on 09/20/2009 12:07:13 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug

They will pray to Thor the god of thunder.


30 posted on 09/20/2009 1:05:28 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: AuntB

Corrupt Idiots fits them to a tee!!


31 posted on 09/20/2009 3:32:04 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: chris_bdba

Wait until a fish can hire an attorney.


32 posted on 09/21/2009 4:00:16 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: AuntB
ok then why is taking their nets out of the river if they waste more than anyone else. No nets in river=no wasted fish from river.
33 posted on 09/21/2009 5:20:57 AM PDT by DaiHuy (One Big Assed Mistake America)
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