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Police: 2 dozen firearms seized from Hoboken home
northjersey.com ^ | September 18, 2009 | william lamb

Posted on 09/19/2009 6:49:46 PM PDT by Coleus

HOBOKEN - Authorities seized more than two dozen firearms from a house on Garden Street on Friday after neighbors spotted a resident brandishing a handgun on his front stoop, authorities said.

The man, who was not immediately charged or identified, was taken into custody without incident when police officers arrived at the scene, said Capt. James Fitzsimmons of the Hoboken police.

The incident was reported around 11:15 p.m. by a neighbor who saw an armed man standing at a window in the 600 block of Garden Street. The man walked onto his front stoop holding the firearm, witnesses told police, though he did not appear to be threatening anyone with it, Fitzsimmons said.

After the man was arrested, Hoboken police and the Jersey City police Emergency Services Unit searched the man's house and back yard, Fitzsimmons said.

They found "a number of rifles and shotguns," Fitzsimmons said, adding that as many as 30 were found in an initial search. "The search continues at the moment," he said.

"There were a few hand grenades that had no powder in them, no pin," Fitzsimmons said. The discovery of the grenades and several vintage weapons led police to believe that the man may be a collector.

Police evacuated the houses on either side of the gunman's home as a precaution, but Fitzsimmons said it did not appear that neighbors were in immediate danger. Police officers closed the block to vehicle and foot traffic and notified nearby schools, including the Hoboken Charter School at 4th and Garden streets, the Brandt Middle School at 9th and Garden streets and Demarest High School, at 4th Street and Bloomfield Avenue, Dawn Zimmer, the city's acting mayor, said Friday.

Neighbors and area merchants said the incident left them rattled.

Marcus Thomas, manager at the Giovanni d'Italia shoe repair shop at 7th and Garden Streets, said the incident was "very, very scary."

"He seemed like a normal character," Thomas said of the suspect. "Never seemed violent or anything. He's well-known throughout the community because it's a tight-knit community."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; donutwatch; hoboken

1 posted on 09/19/2009 6:49:46 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

I am very surprised that the guns didn’t start jumping around shooting people. They are very,very dangerous! People who have them should be arrested! /Hoboken-style sarc


2 posted on 09/19/2009 6:53:15 PM PDT by Freedom_Fighter_2001 (Do you spork weasel?)
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001
...as many as 30 were found ...

So what? What crime is that???

3 posted on 09/19/2009 6:56:02 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Coleus
There were a few hand grenades that had no powder in them, no pin...

So what you're sayin Fitz, the guy had paperweights that can be purchased at any military surplus store? I mean, some of the surplus stores that have a sese of humor sell them WITH A PIN and a tag containing the number "1" on them... even a funny placard that says "complaint department; take a number."

Now, Fitz this may take a little bit of brain power for you to grasp... so take a deep breath and repeat after me "shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed." Good; now how'd that feel idiot?

4 posted on 09/19/2009 6:56:54 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Coleus
...only "2 dozen?" It's a class war thing, and it's been going on for a long time.

From Going Great Guns, (Forbes, David Serchuk, 04.23.09, 04:00 PM EDT)

"Forbes: I was in Colorado, and I knew people who had 200, 300 guns. And they'd stash them in various hidden places around their compound. This wasn't all that uncommon out west."


5 posted on 09/19/2009 6:58:08 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Coleus

Absolutely absurd! What is the justification for touching this man’s guns?

I would sue the crap out of everybody and his brother. What’s the magic number you can have before you’re a menace to society?


6 posted on 09/19/2009 6:59:49 PM PDT by Recon Dad
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001
the 2nd amendment doesn't exist in New Jersey. And the masses are brainwashed from the time they are in school that guns are bad.
7 posted on 09/19/2009 7:00:36 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Coleus
"'The man walked onto his front stoop holding the firearm, witnesses told police, though he did not appear to be threatening anyone with it,' Fitzsimmons said."

Then he was not "brandishing" it, but he is a low-class "Neanderthal" like the rest of us, you know. ...not one of the high-class, politically correct, liberal one-worlders, who each have "200, 300 guns" stashed around their "compound."


8 posted on 09/19/2009 7:01:43 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop

Hell, as a kid in NJ my neighbor had that many guns, but he was rich so he was OK, I guess.


9 posted on 09/19/2009 7:02:43 PM PDT by Recon Dad
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To: Coleus

And BTW, there used to be one of those “liberal” constitutional standards that only the immediate room around the arrestee could be searched, but the “get tough on crime” commies/fascists did away with that. ...’sides, we in the rabble can’t afford to sue governments, and “tort reform” is separating the worthy from those of us being disposed of by way of economic cleansing.

There’s nothing conservative about class wars pushed by rich, bipartisan liberals and their sponsored propaganda on TV.


10 posted on 09/19/2009 7:05:07 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop

many people forget that in nj and even nyc, many high schools had rifle shooting clubs and guns were actually kept in schools. Can you imagine. That was before the socialist gun grabbers took over the schools.


11 posted on 09/19/2009 7:07:30 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Coleus
So they disrupted this man’s life for no reason and snooped through his house without any proof that he ever broke a law. What a disgrace. I will email the same sentiments to that police department also.
12 posted on 09/19/2009 7:08:02 PM PDT by Engineer_Soldier (Glenn Beck is the man!)
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To: Coleus

You can’t walk around on your own property with your own gun? I could understand if he was behaving stupidly. Is it against the law (NJ) to show off your new shotgun to your buddy while standing on the front porch?


13 posted on 09/19/2009 7:09:13 PM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

What does it matter if he had 100 guns? Since when can the cops enter your house and confiscate your guns because a neighbor told police they saw you with one? This is ridiculous.


14 posted on 09/19/2009 7:09:16 PM PDT by peeps36 (Democrats Don't Need No Stinking Input From You Little People)
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To: Recon Dad
"Hell, as a kid in NJ my neighbor had that many guns, but he was rich so he was OK, I guess."

My uncle had 'em all over his big wall, and he wasn't rich. But that was during the terrible, commie, unionized '60s, when "male chauvinists" were allowed too many freedoms--having families and "breeding," for instance. Our business-government-academic regime now is much better.


15 posted on 09/19/2009 7:11:02 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop

Lived in rural CO and had a business where we worked in people’s homes, often while they were out.

New employee (recently moved from NJ, oddly enough) discovered a gun collection (all properly secured), and immediately called the sheriff.

After getting him calmed down, the sheriff calle me and suggested I have a little chat with the new guy about eastern vs. western attitudes towards guns.

BTW, the guy did have a lovely collection. Became a friend of mine later, and if I remember correctly he had upwards of 500.


16 posted on 09/19/2009 7:11:26 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

Now, at least some of the sheriffs in agricultural communities in Colorado are pushing for outlawing any discharges of firearms in any developments (including those with large acreages). Those who moved in from the East over the last 20 years or so do rule over the rest. They also do whatever they can to add regulations against working class trash trying to build houses or anything else on their own properties. And there are no developments without homeowners’ associations.


17 posted on 09/19/2009 7:15:39 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Coleus

“Authorities seized more than two dozen firearms from a house on Garden Street on Friday after neighbors spotted a resident brandishing a handgun on his front stoop, authorities said.”

Here in Texas if you are on your front stoop without a gun, people call the police (since you’re obviously some kind of crackpot).


18 posted on 09/19/2009 7:17:48 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Coleus
The man walked onto his front stoop holding the firearm, witnesses told police, though he did not appear to be threatening anyone with it...

Police...evacuated the houses...not in immediate danger...closed the block to vehicle and foot traffic...notified nearby schools...the incident left them rattled...very, very scary...Dawn, the city's acting mayor.

This is what happens, apparently, when a gun is spotted in New Jersey. Unless it's held by Tony Soprano or a cop. I'm surprised they didn't call SWAT and the hazmat team.

19 posted on 09/19/2009 7:19:50 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Coleus

no crime was commited. This poor man should sue the city and the PD for wrongful arrest & slander. Unfortunately, it wouldn’t do any good in NJ.


20 posted on 09/19/2009 7:23:26 PM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: Mobilemitter

Oh my! It is nothing for my hubby to step out on the front porch with a rifle, shotgun, handgun...whatever happens to suit his fancy! When did that become against the law?


21 posted on 09/19/2009 7:29:21 PM PDT by GrannyK
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To: Coleus
Too bad the neighbors aren't scared of fascism.

Otherwise, we would have them descending on Washington D.C. by millions.

22 posted on 09/19/2009 7:37:26 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Coleus
We need to send in the National Guard to put a stop to this lawlessness. This mans Rights are being violated and those arresting him are in violation of USC Title 18 Sec 242 and the Second Amendment.

The madness must stop NOW. If the FedGov won't go to his aid, then the rest of us may need to step up and do what needs doing.

Seriously...

23 posted on 09/19/2009 7:41:46 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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I bought a new riflescope and wanted to try it out so I attached it to a closet wood clothes hanging rod and took it outside and sighted thru it. Even though it was just a wood rod, I aimed it away from houses. I was not even in the very front of my yard.

Neighbors called the cops and they dutifully came out. I told them the story and showed them the wood rod with the scope mounted. They shook their heads and apologised to me and went to talk to the concerned neighbor.

24 posted on 09/19/2009 7:43:52 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: Coleus

One right wing “crazy” at a time is how they will get our firearms and nobody will make a noise in protest.


25 posted on 09/19/2009 8:09:51 PM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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One right wing “crazy” at a time is how they will get our firearms and nobody will make a noise in protest.

Nope. Each and every gun owner will be portrayed as a "crazy", as this man was.

Dare to step outside, holding one of your legally-owned firearms? "OFFICER! OFFICER! That dangerous nutjob across the street is WAVING his gun around and THREATENING everyone!!!"

Boom! You're gone. A few thousand dollars and a few months later, you've finally been declared not guilty of whatever pretense was used to arrest you, you've lost your job and all your guns.

Have a nice day!

26 posted on 09/19/2009 8:15:42 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Coleus
The following link shows the simplicity and clarity of New Jersey firearms law (sarcasm)

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/statelaws/28thedition/new_jersey.pdf

And on page 290, left column, you will find this section of 2C:39-6 Exemptions.

e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, . . .

(subsections b., c. and d. above relate to Unlawful Possession of Weapons, i.e. handguns, without first having obtained a permit to carry the same; rifles and shotguns, without first having obtained a firearms purchaser identification card; and the catch-all "Other weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree."

27 posted on 09/19/2009 8:25:08 PM PDT by deks
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To: deks

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/statelaws/28thedition/new_jersey.pdf


28 posted on 09/19/2009 8:27:06 PM PDT by deks
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To: deks

Maybe the front stoop is not considered his property. And I have not found any definition of “brandishing” at the link in reply #28.


29 posted on 09/19/2009 8:39:14 PM PDT by deks
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Heck, less than an hour ago, I walked out onto my front porch -- holding a loaded firearm -- to see what was making the dog bark so. (It was several deer, bedding down in the front yard. They must have run close to him and startled him; his usual "deer greeting" is a quiet, low, "Wuff... Wuff...")

But, I see that poor bozo was in New Jersey, "The Armpit of the Universe"... Beats the heck out of me why people stay in a place that will bust you for having a single hollowpoint bullet... :-(

30 posted on 09/19/2009 8:57:53 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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So, a guy with firearm on his own property is arrested and his other guns confiscated. This is unconstitutional and I hope he sues their butts off. He**, even in CA they won’t arrest you for carrying on your own property, can’t arrest you actually, not legally, and I bet the NJ laws don’t allow it either. Just what law was this guy breaking?


31 posted on 09/19/2009 8:58:52 PM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: Coleus
Police officers closed the block to vehicle and foot traffic and notified nearby schools, including the Hoboken Charter School at 4th and Garden streets, the Brandt Middle School at 9th and Garden streets and Demarest High School, at 4th Street and Bloomfield Avenue, Dawn Zimmer, the city's acting mayor,(and stupid woman) said Friday. Neighbors and area merchants said the incident left them rattled.

What a bunch of linguini spined over feminized wimps.

"OH no! There's a man in the window holding a gun, I feel weak in the knees. Bring the smelling salts, I'm going to faint.

32 posted on 09/19/2009 9:26:39 PM PDT by metalurgist (Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't go without a fight.)
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To: Coleus; hiredhand; Squantos; NFHale
Neighbors and area merchants said the incident left them rattled...

realizing that your paid public servants are retarded will do that to ya...

33 posted on 09/19/2009 10:18:49 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Luke 22:36...Trust in the Lord...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: TChris

I don’t think they can get to us “en masse”. At least 1% of the gun-owners would stand up, and that is a formidable army. We each can only control what our own reaction would be and fix our minds on planning for that day, if it ever comes.


34 posted on 09/20/2009 6:28:25 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: Coleus; Salamander; Markos33

This guy *should* be arrested.

He should be charged with beiing underarmed, underprepared and giving up his weapons without a fight.


35 posted on 09/20/2009 6:34:03 AM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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... and several vintage weapons led police to believe that the man may be a collector.

WTF "Led police to believe"? What, the guy is deaf, blind and mute so they couldn't just ask him?

Demonstrating once again that no matter how bad you think New Jersey is, it's actually much worse.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

36 posted on 09/20/2009 6:45:25 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Coleus

bttt


37 posted on 09/20/2009 10:35:13 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Coleus

Why does the ignorant and stupid press assume any firearm found is just horrible??


38 posted on 09/20/2009 2:42:10 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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Why does the ignorant and stupid press assume any firearm found is just horrible?? >>>

because they are ignorant and stupid.

39 posted on 09/27/2009 1:25:30 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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