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Poles, Czechs: US Missile Defense Shift A Betrayal
Breitbart ^ | 9/18/09 | Vanessa Gera

Posted on 09/18/2009 8:13:52 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy

Edited on 09/18/2009 8:18:13 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WARSAW, Poland – Poles and Czechs voiced deep concern Friday at President Barack Obama's decision to scrap a Bush-era missile defense shield planned for their countries.

"Betrayal! The U.S. sold us to Russia and stabbed us in the back," the Polish tabloid Fakt declared on its front page.


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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; democrats; drudge; missiledefense; missiles; obama; poland
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POLES: WE'VE BEEN SOLD TO THE RUSSIANS!

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1 posted on 09/18/2009 8:13:53 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy
POLES: WE'VE BEEN SOLD TO THE RUSSIANS!

Did we at least get a good deal? I'm going to start learning Russian so I can be useful in rounding up others /sarc

Scary thing is the libs have a lot in common with their form of government?
2 posted on 09/18/2009 8:15:22 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Upstate NY Guy

The Poles and Czechs should be used to it by now.


3 posted on 09/18/2009 8:15:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Upstate NY Guy

When did the system become about protecting Poland? I vaguely recall that Dubya had some arm twisting to do to get Poland to take this thing in the first place, which was intended to intercept onesie-twosie threats from “rogue regimes” (aka Iran). Then the Rooskies got all snotty about it, because apparently the rubble might bounce 10% less if they unleashed their arsenal on Europe.


4 posted on 09/18/2009 8:17:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: dfwgator

HOPEnCHANGE, HOPEnCHANGE, HOPEnCHANGE


5 posted on 09/18/2009 8:17:21 AM PDT by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: Upstate NY Guy

They’re right, and I think BO picked the day quite on purpose.


6 posted on 09/18/2009 8:17:21 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Oh, those Poles are so racist.


7 posted on 09/18/2009 8:18:06 AM PDT by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: Upstate NY Guy; lizol
Obama is just keeping the tradition of Western Betrayal of Czechs and Poles.


8 posted on 09/18/2009 8:19:12 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Man, the WHITE half of Obama is failing so badly.. His WHITE half is putting us all in danger.

His WHITE half knows nothing about foreign affairs.


9 posted on 09/18/2009 8:20:02 AM PDT by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Obama siding with Russia, that Putin is making back into a communist country that is soon to retake the mantle of USSR...that’s weird, huh? Wonder why he would do that? These poor bstrds are going to pay dearly for our stupidity, too...but pretty soon, with Bammy crashing the dollar, the UN pushing for a “Global Dollar” and Communism back on the rise, we should just argue about whether or not this about racism...


10 posted on 09/18/2009 8:20:22 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Integrity is the lifeblood of democracy. Deceit is a poison in it." - Ted Kennedy (D-HELL)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
IIRC, Both Poland and CZ are NATO members. Russia (for now) is not.

What does this move say about the US' support for all NATO members (rhetorically speaking)?

11 posted on 09/18/2009 8:20:33 AM PDT by llevrok (As a matter of fact, yes I DO care if Jimmy cracks corn !)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

The people who voted for zero were betrayed too. They’re just too dense to realize it.


12 posted on 09/18/2009 8:21:02 AM PDT by Overtaxed Patriot (Liberals are terrible at math.)
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To: llevrok

NATO has Poland’s back, like the British and French had her back in 1939.


13 posted on 09/18/2009 8:21:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Reagan69
Man, the WHITE half of Obama is failing so badly.. His WHITE half is putting us all in danger.

His WHITE half knows nothing about foreign affairs.


Yep. He's white trash.
14 posted on 09/18/2009 8:22:13 AM PDT by Overtaxed Patriot (Liberals are terrible at math.)
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To: dfwgator

“Betrayal! The U.S. sold us to Russia and stabbed us in the back,” the Polish tabloid Fakt declared on its front page.”

America is also getting used to being stabbed in the back by Obama.

Oops! Some are not used to is.

Even more are not going to tolerate it, either.

;-)


15 posted on 09/18/2009 8:22:57 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

SELL-OUT TO THE KGB
(Putin)
16 posted on 09/18/2009 8:24:22 AM PDT by VOA
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To: HiTech RedNeck

you ask “When did the system become about protecting Poland?”

If you read this and any number of other articles about this issue you would know that they did not view the system and what protected them. What they realize is that if the USA has a military base in their country then Russia would think twice before taking actions agaist them like they have with Georgia.

This policy reversal is a clear signal to Europe the our President and his buddies care more about big business deals with communists and the communists themselves than they do about freedom and safety for Europe (or even the USA).

Maybe Obama can open an ACORN and SEIU office in Poland to show his support for them. I’m sure the Russians would not want to tangle with those extensions of Obama’s power.


17 posted on 09/18/2009 8:26:06 AM PDT by right.talker ( http://Iam.LeeAllen.org/blog)
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To: Reagan69
HOPEnCHANGE, HOPEnCHANGE, HOPEnCHANGE

Rope and Chains more like it...


18 posted on 09/18/2009 8:26:15 AM PDT by domeika (Who is Jim Thompson?)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

I agree, again, Obama gave back the Soviet occupied enslaved countries that Reagan freed after 50 years of slavery, for nothing.
Liberals hated Reagan for freeing Eastern Europe and showing communism a failure.


19 posted on 09/18/2009 8:27:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, redistribution is the government spending you demand")
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To: Upstate NY Guy

TO OUR POLISH AND CZECH ALLIES:

TRUE, PATRIOTIC, LIBERTY-LOVING AMERICANS DO NOT SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF MISSILE DEFENSE FROM EUROPE.

You are our allies and we are sorry that a communist has deceived his way into the White House and is now attacking liberty’s best defenders.


20 posted on 09/18/2009 8:27:24 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'd rather be a teabagger than an ankle-grabber.)
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To: right.talker

This doesn’t say anything about bases.


21 posted on 09/18/2009 8:28:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

The Czechs and the Poles are among the precious few nations that are actually headed the RIGHT direction....AWAY from communism. Barry can’t have that.


22 posted on 09/18/2009 8:29:08 AM PDT by SandWMan ( A riot ist an ugly sing, und, I sink it's about time zat ve had vone!)
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To: TBP
For clarification for those who were not aware of the date connection, it is the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland by Russia.
23 posted on 09/18/2009 8:29:16 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Gee, obama promised he’d improve our standing in the world with other nations. Little did we know, those other nations were non-allies.


24 posted on 09/18/2009 8:30:06 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: TBP
I think BO picked the day quite on purpose.

Just a polite hat-tip from one Marxist to another.

25 posted on 09/18/2009 8:30:24 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: ravingnutter
the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland by Russia.

And their then-allies, the Nazis.

26 posted on 09/18/2009 8:30:54 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: tbpiper

I’m sure it’s a day to celebrate in his house.


27 posted on 09/18/2009 8:31:26 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

I left Slovakia in January, after a four year stay.
At that time, they had no opinions about Obozo.
I will contact my friends and see what they think now.
I never heard any concerns about Russian aggression in
the area, but we all know how fast the dynamics can change in that part of Europe.

One of my clients was the SPP Gas company that gets all
of Slovakia’s natural gas via pipelines from Russia.
It is also a transit point for gas to other points in the EU.


28 posted on 09/18/2009 8:33:18 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Well, too bad!!! According to an earlier post on this website, the Poles favored Obama over McCain in the '08 Presidential Election; 65% preferred Hussein and 19% preferred McCain. See it at this post here:

The Global Presidential Poll '08 (Poles voted pro Obama)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2342818/posts
29 posted on 09/18/2009 8:33:20 AM PDT by no dems (Do NOT underestimate the amount of support out there for Sarah Palin.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sorry, I guess I wasn’t literal enough for you. The article states:

“The Bush administration always said that the planned system—with a radar near Prague and interceptors in northern Poland—was meant as defense against Iran. But Poles and Czechs saw it as protection against Russia, and Moscow too considered a military installation in its backyard to be a threat. “

A Military installation is a base. I’m sorry I didn’t use the exact same words as the article.


30 posted on 09/18/2009 8:33:21 AM PDT by right.talker ( http://Iam.LeeAllen.org/blog)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Dear Poland,

If it’s any comfort, we’ve been sold out as well.

Sincerely yours,

America


31 posted on 09/18/2009 8:33:30 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 240 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Eastern Euopeans have good reason to be very,*very* frightened of Hussein.They've just learned that when Comrade Putin speaks,Hussein listens.And the last time Putin spoke,the people of Georgia got to see T-24 tanks right outside their windows.
32 posted on 09/18/2009 8:33:48 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

I guess this is Obama’s strategy to improve our image with other nations, but you and I are too stupid to understand it.


33 posted on 09/18/2009 8:39:20 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Reagan69; All
"Man, the WHITE half of Obama is failing so badly.. His WHITE half is putting us all in danger."

"His WHITE half knows nothing about foreign affairs."

From THIS post forward, I will use the SAME verbage in describing Obamassiah to the "You're a racist!!" crowd, in hopes of seeing a vein explode as they stammer to reply.

Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

34 posted on 09/18/2009 8:39:32 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: jessduntno
Obama siding with Russia,

Obama helps strengthen General Electric-Putin ties

35 posted on 09/18/2009 8:40:13 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 240 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: no dems
Well, too bad!!! According to an earlier post on this website, the Poles favored Obama over McCain in the '08 Presidential Election; 65% preferred Hussein and 19% preferred McCain. See it at this post here:

You can't really hold that against the people of Poland.Most of them had *no* way of knowing the truth.Yes,it's likely that there are still a few Marxists in Poland that recognized Hussein as one of their own but the majority....nope,sorry....no way!

Hell,20% of *American* voters have only (very) recently come to figure Hussein out (70% approval to 50% approval).

36 posted on 09/18/2009 8:41:19 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Well of course they’ve been betrayed. Any honest and decent person can see that. But, wait, oh, there aren’t too people like on Capital Hill huh?


37 posted on 09/18/2009 8:41:35 AM PDT by pctech
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To: Gay State Conservative

My college age daughter happened to be in Prague the night of our election. She was watching election results with friends in a bar. She said, the mood was grim! The people were depressed and subdued when it was announced Obama won. In contrast to friends of hers who were in Berlin that night, she said it was downright depressing. I told her the feeling was exactly the same at our house in California.


38 posted on 09/18/2009 8:49:16 AM PDT by Wonderama Mama (Socialism is great until you run out of someone elses money - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: null and void

Thank you; Nail on the head, or at least a big part of it...

Is this the real driver behind the sellout?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-helps-strengthen-General-Electric-Putin-ties-59644627.html

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_03.htm

1. Who sits on Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board? – Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE

2. Who owns the most pro-Obama networks: MSNBC, NBC, CNBC? They have no aversion to socialism so long as it opens new markets; they butter Obama’s bread and advance his causes.

3. Cap and Trade, tax incentives for wind power. Who makes the wind turbines? GE.

Goldman Sachs has invested scores of millions in preparation to market securities for this great green investment opportunity. Who was saved in the bailout? G-S. Former CEO? – Paulson

Who was allowed to fail? Lehman.

July 8, 2009
Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Olympia Snow (RINO-ME) have introduced a bill to make the Commodity Futures Trading Commission the sole regulator of the carbon market created by cap-and-trade legislation.
Consider that:
• The current chairman of the CFTC is Gary Gensler, formerly of Goldman Sachs.
• Goldman Sachs is a part owner of the exchanges where carbon allowances would be traded.
• Goldman Sachs has spent millions of dollars lobbying for cap-and-trade legislation in anticipation of making billions of dollars at the expense taxpayers and consumers.
• Goldman has a special exemption from the CFTC to exceed the trading limits normally placed on commodity speculators. Not only was this exemption secret for 17 years, the CFTC recently had to ask Goldman for permission to release the letter to Congress!
• Goldman Sachs employees are heavy contributors to the Democratic Party giving it over $4.4. million in the last election.

And the left vilifies Halliburton?

WE SHOULD HAMMER THESE CONNECTIONS IN BLOGS, RADIO AND TV

If I’m missing a bigger picture, help me out here ...


39 posted on 09/18/2009 9:04:42 AM PDT by justapicker (I don't want the cheese, I just want out of the trap)
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To: Upstate NY Guy; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


40 posted on 09/18/2009 9:05:58 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: justapicker

But, he said yesterday that he contacted these two countries and they are fine with it. /sarcasm off


41 posted on 09/18/2009 9:08:40 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: Overtaxed Patriot
"The people who voted for zero were betrayed too. They’re just too dense to realize it."

I think they are starting to realize it now. Most of the employees in my firm voted for Obama and were very optimistic about Hope and Change. Last fall I frequently heard these folks saying: "Well he can't do any worse than Bush" or "Things can't get any worse than they are now." I personally do not express my political views too much at work - these people work for me and I want them to learn to think for themselves. I would sometimes ask them how they knew things could not get worse. I received dumbfounded expressions.

Now these same people are starting to realize Obama is really screwing up and things may get a lot worse. They are getting scared as they should. I think they are starting to feel betrayed. These Dems and independents are beginning to grumble. All this is NY State, a liberal enclave.

I suspect by springtime the Dems will turn on Hussein.

42 posted on 09/18/2009 10:13:06 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: dfwgator

“The Poles and Czechs should be used to it by now.”

So should we.


43 posted on 09/18/2009 10:36:57 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: Upstate NY Guy
The Poles and Czechs have been solid members of the Coalition Forces in Iraq.

This is payback from Obama and a message to his supporters and his overlords.

44 posted on 09/18/2009 11:22:16 AM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: ravingnutter
August 23 would be even better.
45 posted on 09/18/2009 1:12:16 PM PDT by lizol
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To: paythefiddler; mstar; se99tp; AdvisorB; onedoug; AnalogReigns; The_Media_never_lie; dixiebelle; ...
Eastern European ping list


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

46 posted on 09/18/2009 1:14:50 PM PDT by lizol
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To: dfwgator

“It is dangerous to be enemy of America,
yet it is even more dangerous to be ally of America.”
(Serb Proverb)

Well- Poles, Czechs, welcome to the club.


47 posted on 09/18/2009 1:55:24 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: no dems
No, we did not...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123830/posts
48 posted on 09/18/2009 3:50:08 PM PDT by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Poles, Czechs: US missile defense shift a betrayal

So says the Liberal Press.

49 posted on 09/18/2009 3:53:27 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: justapicker
Russia's PM Putin to meet U.S. businessmen:
MOSCOW, Sept 17 (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will meet several top U.S. executives on Friday, including General Electric Co (GE.N) and Morgan Stanley (MS.N), the Russian government said on Thursday.

Putin's meetings with top Western executives are usually a precursor of major business deals. Earlier this year oil majors Total (TOTF.PA) and Royal Dutch/Shell (RDSa.L) announced plans to expand in Russia at meetings with Putin.

Talks with the U.S. firms follow a U.S. government decision to halt the deployment of a missile shield defence system in Europe, a move received positively by the Russian government. [ID:nLH510988]

The press service said Putin would meet David Bonderman, founding partner of one of the world's largest private equity firms, TPG [TPG.UL], and the chief executive of General Electric Co (GE.N), Jeff Immelt.

Putin will meet the executives in Russia's Black Sea resort of Sochi, which is hosting an investment forum. He will also hold talks with John Mack, who is to quit as CEO of Morgan Stanley (MS.N) at the start of 2010.

I think Obama is treating the US as his personal piggy bank. I wonder what his cut of the deals amount to, and where it will be stashed.
50 posted on 09/18/2009 3:59:14 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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