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Bush 43: Conservative movement is inconsequential
Washington Examiner ^ | September 15, 2009 | Byron York

Posted on 09/18/2009 12:51:21 AM PDT by neverdem

Former President George W. Bush addresses a Fourth of July crowd at the Let Freedom Ring 2009 festival at Crystal Beach Park Arena in Woodward, Okla., Saturday, July 4, 2009. (AP Photo)

How many times during the last eight years did you hear that George W. Bush was a dangerous right-wing extremist? Probably too many to count.

What you heard less often were expressions of the deep reservations some conservatives felt about Bush's governing philosophy.

Conservatives greatly admired Bush for his steadfastness in the War on Terror -- to use that outlawed phrase -- and they were delighted by his choices of John Roberts and Samuel Alito for the Supreme Court. But when it came to a fundamental conservative principle like fiscal discipline, many conservatives felt the president just wasn't with them.

You saw that throughout the 2008 Republican presidential primaries, when GOP candidates, while not mentioning Bush specifically, got big applause from conservative Republican audiences by pledging to return fiscal responsibility to the White House.

Those cheering conservatives will find a revealing moment in a new book, scheduled for release next week, by former White House speechwriter Matt Latimer.

Latimer is a veteran of conservative politics. An admirer of Republican Sen. Jon Kyl, for whom he worked for several years, Latimer also worked in the Rumsfeld Pentagon before joining the Bush White House in 2007.

The revealing moment, described in "Speechless: Tales of a White House Survivor," occurred in the Oval Office in early 2008.

Bush was preparing to give a speech to the annual meeting of the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC. The conference is the event of the year for conservative activists; Republican politicians are required to appear and offer their praise of the conservative movement.

Latimer got the assignment to write Bush's speech. Draft in hand, he and a few other writers met with the president in the Oval Office. Bush was decidedly unenthusiastic.

"What is this movement you keep talking about in the speech?" the president asked Latimer.

Latimer explained that he meant the conservative movement -- the movement that gave rise to groups like CPAC.

Bush seemed perplexed. Latimer elaborated a bit more. Then Bush leaned forward, with a point to make.

"Let me tell you something," the president said. "I whupped Gary Bauer's ass in 2000. So take out all this movement stuff. There is no movement."

Bush seemed to equate the conservative movement -- the astonishing growth of conservative political strength that took place in the decades after Barry Goldwater's disastrous defeat in 1964 -- with the fortunes of Bauer, the evangelical Christian activist and former head of the Family Research Council whose 2000 presidential campaign went nowhere.

Now it was Latimer who looked perplexed. Bush tried to explain.

"Look, I know this probably sounds arrogant to say," the president said, "but I redefined the Republican Party."

The Oval Office is no place for a low-ranking White House staffer to get into an argument with the president of the United States about the state of the Republican Party -- or about any other subject, for that matter. Latimer made the changes the president wanted. When Bush appeared at CPAC, he made no mention of the conservative movement. In fact, he said the word "conservative" only once, in the last paragraph.

Bush veterans are going to take issue with some of Latimer's criticisms in "Speechless." As an observer of it all, I certainly don't agree with his characterizations of some Bush administration officials. But looking back at the Bush years, the scene in the Oval Office adds context to the debate that is going on inside conservative circles today.

Right after the Republican Party's across-the-board defeat last November, there was a wave of what-went-wrong self-analysis. Republicans were divided between those who believed the party had lost touch with conservative principles and those who believed it had failed to adapt to changed political and demographic circumstances.

Bush's words in the Oval Office speak directly to that first group. You can argue whether Bush was a fiscal conservative at any time in his political career, but he certainly wasn't in the White House. And some real fiscal conservatives, with their guy in charge, held their tongues.

Now, with unified Democratic control of the presidency and both houses of Congress, we're seeing spending that makes Bush's record look downright thrifty. Republicans have again found their voice on fiscal discipline. And some of them wish they had been more outspoken when a president of their own party was in the White House.

Byron York, The Examiner's chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears on Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts appears on www.ExaminerPolitics.com ExaminerPolitics.com.



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The left had BDS because of W? It's time to ignore the country club pubbies.
1 posted on 09/18/2009 12:51:22 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Except for his wartime hawkiness which passed all too soon, it looks like Dubya was a thoroughgoing squish.


2 posted on 09/18/2009 12:53:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: neverdem

I knew Bush was a fraud when he coined “Compassionate Conservative” (as if to say Conservatism isn’t compassionate — it is FAR MORE compassionate than liberalism, I bet Reagan would have some words for GWB), but he’s still a much better man and president than the current occupant of the White House.

But no more Bushes in the WH. EVER.


3 posted on 09/18/2009 12:56:31 AM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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To: neverdem; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued
"Look, I know this probably sounds arrogant to say," the president said, "but I redefined the Republican Party."

F- U RINO BUSH.

4 posted on 09/18/2009 12:56:32 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (So many Communists, so little time.)
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To: neverdem

Bush saw himself as a post-partisan leader. It worked for him in Texas, where the GOP was surging in the 1990’s. But the non-partisan nonsense didn’t work in DC, since the Dems never bought into it. They continued to be ever more hyper-partisan and it worked for them.


5 posted on 09/18/2009 12:57:13 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: rom
...but he’s still a much better man and president than the current occupant of the White House.

It's not exactly that hard to be "better" than a scum-sucking, Alinsky-loving, America-hating Marxist.

6 posted on 09/18/2009 12:57:45 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (So many Communists, so little time.)
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To: rabscuttle385

More like spoiled the GOP.


7 posted on 09/18/2009 1:00:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: neverdem

Any further leftward movement stops now. From this moment forward, we move the country rightward, or we shut down the government.


8 posted on 09/18/2009 1:03:03 AM PDT by sourcery (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
More like spoiled the GOP.

Between Bush and McInsane, I'm hard pressed to make a determination as to which one contributed more to destroying the GOP.

9 posted on 09/18/2009 1:03:05 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (So many Communists, so little time.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t recall McCain making any audacious boasts like this.


10 posted on 09/18/2009 1:04:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: neverdem
Yeah, that sounds like something W would say. And this is surely a reliable source.

The revealing moment, described in "Speechless: Tales of a White House Survivor," occurred in the Oval Office in early 2008.

Look at the responses! The only people who hate you worse than your adversaries are your "allies," it would seem.

11 posted on 09/18/2009 1:04:30 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hang the Czars.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

He was close enough to know what it was like when Dubya let his hair down. Until I see Dubya deny it, I take it at face value.


12 posted on 09/18/2009 1:10:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: neverdem

I’m afraid thar we got sucked in because of the Texas accent, W acts more like a Connecticutt yankee every day.


13 posted on 09/18/2009 1:10:13 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: rabscuttle385
Between Bush and McInsane, I'm hard pressed to make a determination as to which one contributed more to destroying the GOP.

Bush. He caused more life-long Republicans to leave the GOP. I know, I am one.

14 posted on 09/18/2009 1:10:54 AM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Until I see Dubya deny it, I take it at face value.

I wouldn't recommend holding your breath. He's probably developed an immunity to knives in the back by now.

15 posted on 09/18/2009 1:19:10 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hang the Czars.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Sounds like he has earned this knife. What was it that drove him so mushy in his lame duck term?


16 posted on 09/18/2009 1:20:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Born in Maine, a Maine-iac.


17 posted on 09/18/2009 1:20:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: neverdem

I take this report with a grain of salt. Consider the source(s).

That said, W never promised to be a movement conservative. In that sense he was consistent. His record as governor of Texas was not totally Reaganesque, nor did he pretend he was.

I supported and continue to support W for the many great things he came through on. He did not do everything I wanted. He did some things I wish he hadn’t. But man, am I glad he was President and not Gore or Kerry.

I felt the same way about McCain. Where he was solid, he was solid as a rock. I didn’t like some of his positions. But he didn’t pretend to be something he wasn’t. And man, do I wish he was President instead of Obama right now.


18 posted on 09/18/2009 1:20:52 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What was it that drove him so mushy in his lame duck term?

Maybe it was because he was lame duck.

19 posted on 09/18/2009 1:23:42 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hang the Czars.)
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To: rom

“But no more Bushes in the WH EVER.”

In the words of Jesse Jackson, “America, stay outta the Bushes!”


20 posted on 09/18/2009 1:24:38 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The AFL-CIO and SEIU.....two domestic terrorist organizations doing Obama's dirty work for him.)
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To: neverdem

I’d like to believe this, but Latimer comes off as very deceptive and having made up everything.


21 posted on 09/18/2009 1:24:53 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: neverdem

Ironically so now, is Bush.

Couldn’t have more lost America to the GOP, if it were done deliberately...

Sometimes it almost seems like it was.


22 posted on 09/18/2009 1:25:53 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (PALIN / BECK 2012.)
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To: neverdem
Conservatives greatly admired Bush for his steadfastness in the War on Terror -- to use that outlawed phrase -- and they were delighted by his choices of John Roberts and Samuel Alito for the Supreme Court. But when it came to a fundamental conservative principle like fiscal discipline, many conservatives felt the president just wasn't with them.

Um, Bush offered up Harriet Meyers for the Supreme Court and was chastized by the base and talk radio.

23 posted on 09/18/2009 1:28:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: rom

Me too! Bush was ok sometimes but he definitely was not a Fiscal Conservative and I had issues with him on the border!


24 posted on 09/18/2009 1:29:51 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Marie2

Some pundits opined that Obama would be better in the long run because he would inflame America enough to bring about an effectual purge of both lefty and wishy washy centrist politicians. Would America have been incensed enough at McCain’s soft points to oppose as vigorously as they have Obama?

I can say one good thing about the current situation: the acerbic debate has paralyzed the Rat government. It has turned blue dog against true-red lefty. I think this is a significant reason the market is smiling. The gummit, not being able to act any more, is unable to screw things up.


25 posted on 09/18/2009 1:31:58 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: neverdem

I can’t believe they’re still bent on attacking Bush and trying to make him look bad in the eyes of conservatives with this Latimer BS.

After the debunking of the other Latimer’s mega BS on Bush allegedly attacking Sarah Palin, one would think that people didn’t buy this garbage anymore. But, there are always “real conservatives” more willing to keep bashing Bush and securing Democrat victories for centuries to come than there are trying to understand what’s going on here: a democRAT and RINO concerted dezinformatja strategy to divide the conservative front, by exploiting the inevitable backstabbers among former staffers.

WAKE UP PEOPLE! BUSH IS NOT IN OFFICE ANYMORE AND WASTING TIME WITH THIS PREPOSTEROUS BS ONLY HELPS THE OBUMMER AND HIS MINIONS IN SIGHT OF 2010!


26 posted on 09/18/2009 1:40:45 AM PDT by fabrizio (Restore the Republic!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Laura Bush — democrat. W and Arnold and Mary Matlyn all have democrat spouses.


27 posted on 09/18/2009 1:42:59 AM PDT by x_plus_one (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Exactly, these guys who turned on G.W.Bush when the MSM commanded them to of course immediately believe this. They probably are all young and would have turned on Reagan in 1987 to if they had been around to hear him smeared by the MSM.


28 posted on 09/18/2009 1:48:40 AM PDT by JLS
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“I’m afraid thar we got sucked in because of the Texas accent, W acts more like a Connecticutt yankee every day.”

Back in the Day, Bush was defeated for a Congressional seat in West Texas by a Folksy Conservative Democrat. He vowed that he would never be “Out Countried” again. He then took on the West Texas Persona and went undefeated from then on.


29 posted on 09/18/2009 1:55:17 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: BnBlFlag

Back in the Day, Bush was defeated for a Congressional seat in West Texas by a Folksy Conservative Democrat. He vowed that he would never be “Out Countried” again. He then took on the West Texas Persona and went undefeated from then on.


that would explain a lot.....kinda like George Wallace before he died.


30 posted on 09/18/2009 1:56:39 AM PDT by chasio649 ( Palin 2012...'nuff said!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Bush's record stands on its own.

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."
--George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008
31 posted on 09/18/2009 1:56:51 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: chasio649

Yep.


32 posted on 09/18/2009 2:01:37 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Revisiting the Bushes is like discussing your last car. I'm more concerned with identifying our next candidates.
33 posted on 09/18/2009 2:11:51 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: neverdem

Maybe it was just because he was an oil-man, but he held the line on global warming. And Obama’s betrayal of the eastern Europeans shows how well Bush’s foreign and defense policies squared with Reagan-, as opposed to Ron Paul-, conservatism.


34 posted on 09/18/2009 2:14:53 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I applaud Bush on the War, tax cuts, being pro-life...As Rush always said. Bush wasn’t a conservative. Bush sold out the conservatives by putting us into more debt. Bush also brought us Obama.


35 posted on 09/18/2009 2:34:59 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: neverdem

When did Gary Bauer ever lead the CONSERVATIVE CAUSE? I’d never heard of him until he was a candidate.


36 posted on 09/18/2009 2:36:17 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: BnBlFlag

People around here definitely fell for the cowboy hat-clearing brush routine. What a joke that was.


37 posted on 09/18/2009 2:39:22 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: neverdem

Agree 100 percent !


38 posted on 09/18/2009 2:53:31 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Look, I know this probably sounds arrogant to say,” the president said, “but I redefined the Republican Party.”

Truth was, he did redefine the party. He took it from a successful and popular party, and turned it into an unsuccessful and unpopular party.


39 posted on 09/18/2009 3:08:25 AM PDT by JMack
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To: personalaccts

Gary Bauer:

He served as Ronald Reagan’s Undersecretary of Education from 1982-1987, and as an advisor on domestic policy from 1987 to 1988.

He served as the president of the Family Research Council from 1988-1999


40 posted on 09/18/2009 3:17:26 AM PDT by donna (We must accept Fascism to prove we are not racist? Not gonna happen.)
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To: South40

I’m sure you would have enjoyed having Gore or Kerry. Then you could have been THRILLED.


41 posted on 09/18/2009 3:19:40 AM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

This is just like the Conservatives to sit back and do their special little bashing sessions.

Continue with the bashing and the division within the movement as others work to take back the GOP. Such bashing always gives a wedge to the nuts like ACORN.

While the bashing continues on the right, watch ACORN save itself quietly while some in the Conservative movement are busy shouting from the roof tops W is bad, yeah W is bad.

Some don’t get it and never will get it.


42 posted on 09/18/2009 3:25:18 AM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: Huck

You’ve been all over the US except OK/TX and HI/AK?


43 posted on 09/18/2009 3:27:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: JMack

Like father, like son. John Podhoretz is now the editor of the New York Post and was a speechwriter for Bush 41. After Bush lost but before Clinton was inaugurated, Bush 41 had to give a speech to be written by Podhoretz. The latter said Bush firmly instructed him that he didn’t “want any of that right-wing (standard conservative) junk in his speech”. I’ve never regretted voting for Perot.


44 posted on 09/18/2009 3:28:16 AM PDT by laconic
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To: Paige

The point is that there are plenty of fish in the sea better than W and we need to not sink to a semi-hawk, semi-liberal next time up. So far Sarah Palin seems safe, but there is plenty of room to slip between the cup and the lip.


45 posted on 09/18/2009 3:29:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: laconic

And so Clinton got Peroted in for 8 years.


46 posted on 09/18/2009 3:31:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: rabscuttle385

How much do you want to bet they trot out Jeb in 12 to oppose Palin?


47 posted on 09/18/2009 3:32:42 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t recall McCain making any audacious boasts like this

Papa McCain’s got his bimbo daughter out there mouthing off about conservatives. He has said he is oh so proud of her.


48 posted on 09/18/2009 3:38:40 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: neverdem

Conservative movement: George W. Bush is inconsequential.

I voted for the guy twice, as he was the lesser of 2 evils in 2000 and 2004. The conservative movement did score some victories in his eight years (income tax reductions, first confirmation by the Supreme Court that Americans have the right to bear arms, expiration of the “assault gun” ban, pro-life SC justices, ending federal funding of abortion overseas). The Dems themselves know conservative views win, which is why Odumbo is having such a hard time within his own party.


49 posted on 09/18/2009 3:48:56 AM PDT by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: neverdem
W dealt with Al Qaeda with good success. He dealt with Iraq with very good success but other than that, he let the deficit inflate enormously, never vetoed anything the democrats passed and left the republican party in shambles.

He's a whole lot better than Obozo but then again, so is my Labrador Retriever.

50 posted on 09/18/2009 3:56:02 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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