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VW unveils 180 mile-per-gallon, two-seater L1 hybrid at Frankfurt Motor Show
The Telegraph ^ | 9/15/2009 | Andrew English

Posted on 09/17/2009 9:11:20 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

The L1 concept is shorter than a VW Fox and lower than a Lamborghini. When it goes into production in 2013, it will be the most aerodynamic car in the world and, at just 840lb, the lightest.

It is built of the most exotic materials, with slippery carbon-fibre coachwork, a fighter aircraft’s cockpit canopy and rear-view television cameras instead of wing mirrors.

Its tiny, 800cc engine is one half of a VW 1.6-litre TDI turbodiesel unit, which delivers maximum power of 29 brake horsepower together with a 14 horse power electric motor to provide extra oomph for overtaking.

Free road tax

The L1 is capable of 99mph and 0-62mph acceleration in just 14.3sec and emits carbon dioxide at the parsimonious rate of just 39g/km, meaning free road tax in the UK.

In fact if the average British motorist swapped his 35mpg hatchback for an L1, he would reduce his annual fuel bill from about £1,430 to about £277.

No prices have been mentioned, but the sheer knowhow involved in the L1 as well as the exotic materials used in its construction means this new generation of super car might save money at the pumps but is unlikely to be very cheap to buy.

Green power

The Frankfurt motor show has opened into the worst sales slump the industry has seen for decades. Europe’s car markets were over 14pc down in the first six months of this year and mass-market car makers are having their sales artificially buoyed up by scrappage schemes.

However, despite ecology, frugality and the environment receiving more than lip service, with lots of hybrids and tiny electric prototypes, it was the big, heavy and fast cars that captured the headlines.

So Volkswagen’s hybrid L1 concept marks a refreshing change from the normal.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 09/17/2009 9:11:21 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Ain’t gonna need it. BO and the commie ‘RATS will be long gone in 2013. They’ll all be laying on the beach in Havana counting OUR MONEY.


2 posted on 09/17/2009 9:13:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans! "Behaving badly" since April 19, 1775!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Yeah, I want to get into that death trap. NOT!


3 posted on 09/17/2009 9:17:53 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Reminds me of the freaky deaky Dutchman’s car in Goldmember.


4 posted on 09/17/2009 9:17:58 PM PDT by exit82 (Sarah Palin is President No. 45. Get behind her, GOP, or get out of the way.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Looks interesting. I would not want to ride in one, or own one.


5 posted on 09/17/2009 9:19:53 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: bruinbirdman

Good luck surviving even a fender bender. But then people aren’t important to these eco-freaks.


6 posted on 09/17/2009 9:22:37 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: bruinbirdman
Its tiny, 800cc engine is one half of a VW 1.6-litre TDI turbodiesel unit, which delivers maximum power of 29 brake horsepower together with a 14 horse power electric motor

Not very impressed. In 1972 I bought a Honda 600 Coupe for under US$2000. 42 MPG reliably, round-town and highway ( my driving patterns, okay?). 36 HP as I recall, though maybe not as "clean" as this car.

No hybrid games of running it off the wall-charger. You got what you got. No fancy expensive-to-replace battery.

Agile! Avoided several major accidents (including a couple of CA freeway pileups) by skirting them in ways larger cars couldn't have.

Reliable -- stolen at 170k miles, original engine.

7 posted on 09/17/2009 9:23:20 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: bruinbirdman

It looks like a suppository.


8 posted on 09/17/2009 9:23:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: bruinbirdman

Hmm...29 horses with an extra 14 for passing? Should blow Porsche right off the Autobahn.


9 posted on 09/17/2009 9:23:52 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: bruinbirdman

Looks just the right size for me to flip over with my bare hands in the middle of the night...


10 posted on 09/17/2009 9:26:25 PM PDT by chris37
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To: FlingWingFlyer

NAH...Obomba better be in Africa!


11 posted on 09/17/2009 9:27:35 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Democrat party has always been the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism and surrender)
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To: bruinbirdman

I could take it out of commission if I ran into it with my mountain bike, for crying out loud. And I could just imagine taking it over the Mackinac Bridge.


12 posted on 09/17/2009 9:29:09 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: bruinbirdman

So, who wants to test that joke in Tucson’s summer heat?


13 posted on 09/17/2009 9:31:12 PM PDT by Old Flat Toad (Pima County, home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)
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To: bruinbirdman

I’ll bet the carbon fiber coachwork stands up pretty well in a crash, but the resulting costs for repair mean that even minor accidents are going to result in totaling out the car.

The tragedy here, tho, is that using nothing fancier than a computer-controlled diesel engine coupled to a 10 to 13 speed transmission and some of the exterior aerodynamics of this car, we could easily have 50MPG cars right now, they’d have a conventional passenger cabin and be able to accelerate up to speed in such a fashion that you wouldn’t be dead for entering a LA freeway.


14 posted on 09/17/2009 9:31:19 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Billthedrill

The story may be wrong. It actually gets 270 mpg and it goes down to about 180 mpg at a steady 100 mph. I did not see 0-60 time.

If it screws Obama’s bosses the Saudis then I am all for it. It is essentially a turbo diesel hybrid motorcyle. I think it is pretty cool. Not for everyone but some people might like it.


15 posted on 09/17/2009 9:33:44 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: SoldierDad

That will slide under a truck so smooth that emergency services won’t even know it’s there.


16 posted on 09/17/2009 9:34:09 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: LibWhacker
Armor versus agility. Each has its advantages.

I once slipped past a 40+ car California freeway pileup in a small car, with not so much as a scratch on the car. The "compact" car behind me that tried to duplicate the move only plugged the hole and became the recipient of subsequent pile-ins.

This was not the only accident I've avoided in this way.

If you're not a quick and agile driver I definitely recommend that you drive "armor." You have no other choice, and I'm not down on you one bit for it.

Whether this VW L1 would meet *my* requirements is another matter. I enjoy light, agile and responsive and I'm not yet persuaded that the hybrids meet my particular requirements.

17 posted on 09/17/2009 9:35:20 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: bruinbirdman

Gee, looks like it would be really great in the snow. Especially those icy storms where the precipitation just sticks to everything...


18 posted on 09/17/2009 9:36:10 PM PDT by LostInBayport (The magnetic strip on the back of the Race Card is worn out from overuse.)
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To: heartwood

LOL. Not until they peeled the semi’s body from above it.


19 posted on 09/17/2009 9:36:20 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Looks like a vacuum cleaner!


20 posted on 09/17/2009 9:37:29 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: bruinbirdman

Please tell me this is a prop for a Woody Allen movie.


21 posted on 09/17/2009 9:38:55 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: bruinbirdman

Must be little fellers drive them things.


22 posted on 09/17/2009 9:39:35 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Another nice money saving advantage to this car, is that it will no longer be necessary to send ambulances to the scene of a collision.

It won’t take much to clean up the remains, just hose down the road.

There won’t even be enough left of the car to justify a tow truck. What’s left could probably fit into a small shopping bag.

ER doctors will have more time to serve the illegals because, well, non survivors don’t need doctors.

I see benefits here.


23 posted on 09/17/2009 9:45:58 PM PDT by Gator113 (YES WE CAN.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cMxJBenigY&feature=related)
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To: sionnsar

I’m surprised they went with an 800cc engine. Heck, if they only needed 29HP, they probably could’ve gotten away with 100cc! Or 200cc. Definitely don’t need 800. (’Course, I don’t know what 200cc would do to gas mileage, or emissions.)


24 posted on 09/17/2009 9:47:28 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: bruinbirdman

It needs bigger tail lights.

I’ll take $44,300 in the price pool.


25 posted on 09/17/2009 9:49:07 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
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To: bruinbirdman

That thing wouldn’t make it up my driveway without hanging up!


26 posted on 09/17/2009 9:51:02 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: bruinbirdman
I'd drive it.


27 posted on 09/17/2009 9:53:27 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: LibWhacker

“I’m surprised they went with an 800cc engine. Heck, if they only needed 29HP, they probably could’ve gotten away with 100cc!”

Yeah, 800cc these days usually means about 110 horses.

Probably a long stroke, looking for torque to get the 0-35mph time down to something reasonable.


28 posted on 09/17/2009 9:53:48 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
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To: bruinbirdman
Car and coffin both for one low price to save you time and money.

Bagpipe send-off not included.

29 posted on 09/17/2009 9:56:25 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: bruinbirdman

In case anyone is interested, I believe that my 1980 desiel VW Rabbit was rated for only 46hp when it was brand new. Unfortuanately when I bought it (the odometer had stopped at 287k miles before I ever owned it), it had so much blow-by that it had significantly less power than that anemic 46hp rating. I once measured it taking over 70 seconds to get it to 60 mph. However, given enough time, a tail wind, and a downhill road grade, it would get up well over 90 mph. I honestly do not believe that I was ever able to get less than 40 mpg. All in all it was still quite a car for $200.


30 posted on 09/17/2009 10:02:33 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: All

Don’t bother locking it.... a few guys could just pick it up and walk away with it....:^)


31 posted on 09/17/2009 10:03:05 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats - one Governor down... more to go.)
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To: SoldierDad

What, you don’t want to ride in a cellophane wrapped tinkertoy costing $40,000? You could at least buy one to carry as a spare vehicle in the back of your Expedition.


32 posted on 09/17/2009 10:04:10 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Nope - Durango. I don’t think this thing would fit in the back of my vehicle. Perhaps on the roof rack?


33 posted on 09/17/2009 10:07:12 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: bruinbirdman
The L1 is capable of 99mph and 0-62mph acceleration in just 14.3sec

Bring a hanky for the nosebleed.

Yeah, I'd buy one. No different than a motorcycle with a body and sure to turn more heads.

34 posted on 09/17/2009 10:11:09 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Hey Obama. Where is Osama Bin Laden?)
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To: SaxxonWoods

“Yeah, 800cc these days usually means about 110 horses.”

The current VW 2.0 TDI has about 141 hp, but about 240 ft. lbs. of torque.

Check the web for these figures on Audi, VW and BMW turbodiesels.

It is torque that makes them perform well.

I doubt they have the US in mind for this vehicle.

The VW 2.0 TDI Jetta gets about 29 mpg city and 40 mpg highway in US configuration, with very good acceleration.

And it is selling well. The wagon especially so; it is a very efficent and capable vehicle.

Currently nothing comparable from the Detroit 3. They are still offering Chevys badged as GMCs and Cadillacs. But no turbodiesel small vehicles, which make up over half passenger vehicle sales in Europe.


35 posted on 09/17/2009 10:17:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: bruinbirdman
Would you rather drive a Tango?
It actually looks like that.


36 posted on 09/17/2009 10:29:38 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: All
George Clooney drives one.


37 posted on 09/17/2009 10:32:25 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: TigersEye

Well, those are designed for low resistance too!


38 posted on 09/17/2009 10:37:34 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: bruinbirdman

If it could fly and fold up into a brief case, it might be OK, otherwise it’s a death trap.


39 posted on 09/17/2009 10:39:58 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Trucks will just drive over this thing like a speed bump.


40 posted on 09/17/2009 10:42:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Kirkwood

LOL! “Riding lawnmowers of the Rich and Famous”.


41 posted on 09/17/2009 10:48:56 PM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: mamelukesabre

And special carbon fiber! Well, we all need our fiber.


42 posted on 09/17/2009 10:57:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: bruinbirdman
Looks like anyone over 75 pounds is going to have a tough time getting into the thing but maybe a person could stretch it around their self like a girdle.
43 posted on 09/17/2009 11:11:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: NVDave
Quoting NVDave-

...we could easily have 50MPG cars right now...
My dad's diesel Rabbit ROUTINELY got 50 MPG and that was in 1982. My '91 diesel Jetta just turned 280,000 miles and routinely gets 42MPG.
44 posted on 09/17/2009 11:39:55 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: bruinbirdman

It doesn’t look to me like it could clear a speed bump and I hate to think what a pothole might do to it........


45 posted on 09/17/2009 11:51:25 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: bruinbirdman
PRESIDENTIAL MODEL
(available as a special order only)


46 posted on 09/18/2009 12:23:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat." - Claire Wolfe)
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To: sionnsar

Or, 1984 Mercedes Benz 190D. Four cylinder diesel, 46 MPG consistently, 42 HP, 540+K miles, original owner.


47 posted on 09/18/2009 2:18:32 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: bruinbirdman
I may only get 5 miles per gallon, but I will RULE the road!
48 posted on 09/18/2009 2:32:43 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Kirkwood

Yes, have you seen how fast that thing is?


49 posted on 09/18/2009 2:37:39 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: sionnsar

Wow... In 1972, I bought a Honda 600N Coupe right off the showroom floor for $1650 plus tax and title. It was a blast to drive. Little 10” Bridgestone radial tires, a two cylinder transverse mounted, air cooled motor, front wheel drive, and a gearshift that hung off the dash and ran out through the firewall to the transaxle. I needed some extra room for ‘stuff’, so I took the back seat out of it, tied it up with string and MAILED it home.
It was a deathtrap on wheels in an accident. The doors were about 2” thick and the sheet metal was ‘flimsy’, to say the least. But it was fun to drive...


50 posted on 09/18/2009 4:02:41 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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