Posted on 09/15/2009 6:20:51 PM PDT by HorowitzianConservative
In the recent dialogue between David Frum and David Horowitz about the place of Glenn Beck and other bold talkers in the Conservative Movement Frum shot out a claim which threw Horowitz off guard:
Third – how do we define “our side”? Horowitz harshly condemns Obama appointee Van Jones. Van Jones was eventually forced to resign not because of any of the allegations Glenn Beck hurled at him, but because the Gateway Pundit blog unearthed evidence that Van Jones had consorted with 9/11 denialists. So that’s the other side, right? Except… the American politician who most closely associates with 9/11 denialists is Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul. And who acts as Paul’s chief TV enthusiast and publicist? Glenn Beck of course.Horowitz was puzzled by Frum's charge that Beck embraced the embarrassing Paul:
Ron Paul is a crackpot, a conspiracy nut and a public menace. His crank views of the economy have a lot of Republicans snookered enough to ignore the fact that he is an anti-Semite and an America-hater — fundamentally at odds with America’s role in the world as the guardian of freedom. I have to confess that I am not familiar with Beck’s promotion of Paul. If David wants to engage this I would have to review Beck’s statements about Paul first.So let's review Beck's statements on Paul a bit and see if Frum was correct in grouping Beck with the kooks of the Whack-Job Right.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsrealblog.com ...
Glenn Beck is feared by both sides. He is the only person who goes after both liberals and conservatives, and the only commentator I will watch now on TV.
I don’t care if Beck is a faggot! He is exposing Obama’s criminal regime, and and nobody else had the guts to do it.
I’ve heard Glenn Beck say Ron Paul has some good points, but then he goes off into crazy land. Glenn is not a fan of Paul’s
‘America’s role in the world as the guardian of freedom’
Joy. /s
’ we are not obliged to promote or defend those rights everywhere in the world to the detriment (if not destruction) of our own society.’
Mark Levin
Minor correction, Tommy. Beck doesn’t go after conservatives, he goes after big government(bought and paid for RINO’s)
Otherwise,
BUMP!
Let me say that again.. Glenn says Paul goes off into crazy land.
Ron Paul is not all wrong. It is just when he is wrong he is over the top. Ron Paul understands the Constitution.
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Glenn had Ron Paul on ONCE during his reign at Fox. That’s it. And they talked about the Fed, TARP and gold, not some vast conspiracy to exterminate the Jews, like Charles Johnson of the increasingly irrelevant blog LGF, and David Frum seem to believe. What else can explain their hysteria? They really seem to think Glenn is in league with an anti-Semetic, White Supremacist cabal—that non-existent non-threat with which LGF is obsessed each and every day.
Ron Paul is not a crackpot. He’s a solid Constitutionalist who has gone off on a few screwy tangents, but I’ll take him over 99% of Republicans any day.
Frum is not a conservative and not on our side.
Are Frum and Horowitz neocons? Yes, they are.
Ron Paul is a very smart man. I do not agree with everything but he is 100 times better than most politicians.
Don’t care.
He goes after anyone who is doing a bad job in government, or being a hypocrite. I doubt he would hesitate to go after anyone who is violating the public trust.
Thank you David Horowitz for proving that campus commie to power obsessed neoconservative is not a very far leap.
I’m quite capable of distiniguishing when someone is right on and when they are off the track.
When Beck is right on I’ll praise him from the rooftops. When he’s wrong it doesn’t bother me to say so, and it also doesn’t take anything away from when he’s right.
He’s the only one out there really doing the work that journalists used to do. Before the election no journalists bothered or dared to dig into O’s background, or the real connections between O and Ayers, or the real nature of Acorn, or the real nature of O’s connections with Acorn, or the real nature of what O was doing all those years. No journalists bothered to hunt down anyone who knew O’s grandparents, or his mom, or even O himself to give anyone any idea who these people were.
They still haven’t. Now that someone with a platform finally does it they are going bananas. Beck didn’t sink Van Jones, he just played the tapes and O fired him.
Beck isn’t going after Acorn, he just plays the tapes. Its going to take someone in government with some nerve to do the real work of taking them down and dismantling them, and meanwhile Beck is hanging way out there, exposed as all get-out, hoping someone will take what he’s found and actually run with it.
The press has gone into circle-the-wagon mode, defending what real journalists would investigate. There are a couple dozen more czars out there, and no one except Beck and a few others are even interested to know who they are.
I don’t care if you’ve got pictures of Beck french-kissing Santa, he’s more man than anyone else I can think of in the media or in politics right now. Thats the tragedy, that what he’s doing should be the rule instead of the rarest of exceptions.
[Ron Paul is not a crackpot. He’s a solid Constitutionalist who has gone off on a few screwy tangents, but I’ll take him over 99% of Republicans any day.]
Same here. I have some quibbles about Ron Paul’s foreign policy views and some other disagreements in a few other areas, but I’d prefer to see people like him in Congress over most other Republicans and certainly over every other Democrat.
Ron Paul is antisemitic?
What a great response, marron.
I agree with you. Very well stated.
As usual, the last ditch of the Big Government Conservatives is to smear small government types as mouth breathing “paranoid style” knuckle draggers.
“Paranoid style” is of course the classic, cowardly code phrase for “crazed Neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist.”
You can always count on Neocons to conflate anything to the right of FDR with Hitler’s Germany.
They think they can win the GOP back over to tax-and-spend politics as usual by threatening us with nasty labels.
It doesn’t matter; Palin will bury them in the ash heap of history.
Their efforts to make the GOP safe again for Rockefeller Romney-crat RINOs will fail, especially if Dr. Paul gets HR1207, (thorough audit of the Federal Reserve) passed.
Oops, did I mention auditing the Fed? I must be a CRACKPOT.
[Frum is not a conservative and not on our side.]
Agreed. He has the same lack of concern for out of control government spending that seems to plague a lot of moderate Republicans these days and he’s most comfortable with John McCain type politicians. You can keep him.
Like everyone here... I assumed Ron was a crackpot because everyone said he was... but I like a lot of his ideas of smaller government... pulling our military out of 130 countries (I mean geez... shouldn't South Korea and Europe know by now to defend themselves after 50+ years?)... flat tax... no corporate taxes...
Now, I don't know about the ideas he has that are wrong... and I'm sure someone will tell me that sooner or later... but I wish there were more people like Ron representing us in Washington D.C.
Since then, Dr. Paul's detractors try and pin it all on him despite his statements, and votes, to the contrary.
I agree that Ron paul is not a crackpot. I find it pretty hard to find much not to like about him except for that little thing called Foreign Policy.
RP’s supporters are no fans of Beck’s. Posted on RP site a few days ago:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/106231
2009 Irrelevancy World Finals:
Charles Johnson’s LGF
-vs-
David Frum’s NewMajority
Alexa traffic stats say....
FRUM WINS!!! Congratulations to the new King of Nobodys.
Frum has been looking for hippy absolution from Maureen Dowd for 20 years, hoping to sniff her MD 20-20 bottle cap collection.
Well said and spot on!
Remember that Ron Paul was the Presidential candidate for the Libertarian party, which although right on many issues is so utterly naive as to the way the world works (foreign policy) as to be almost parody.
I have many libertarian beliefs but the Lib-Party has little going for it, and R.Pauls views have not changed much when he changed L to R infront of his name.
All that being said its nice to have some one at least quote the Constitution when making an argument.
If anyone is more deserving of the crackpot label, it is Beck (at least at certain times). While he often makes sense, Beck can come across as a rather unstable maudlin, preachy character at times. Paul, on the other hand, has a calm grandfatherly style and rarely appeals to naked emotion.
I enjoyed Mr. Swindle’s article very much and I agree with his conclusions.
Yes, he is.
are you sure you are not confusing the incident of post 25.
I know he wants us out of Iraq and that upsets Israel but that is not antisemetic.
But that’s just Glenn Beck. He isn’t trying to be anyone or anything other than who and what he is. He’s just honest and unashamed of his feelings, and he is trying to use his position to do what is right and good.
He’s the best journalist in the country today.
I see your point.
Our nation is spending money borrowed at interest from our children and grandchildren.
We need to audit the Federal Reserve. They print up trillions of dollars and give it to foreign banks.
Fox News and Bloomberg are also trying to get the info, but the courts are protecting Fed secrecy. Apparently taxpayers don’t deserve to know who is getting their money. Only the high priests of the temple deserve to know, while they pick winners and losers.
When DeMint and Sanders STRONGLY agree on something, we should all pay attention and help them.
Let’s audit the Federal Reserve ASAP and stop focusing on ad hominem distractions related to Palin, Ron Paul, Glen Beck, etc.
Paul is not a CrackPot. He is often wrong, but always well intended. He offers his positions clearly and unambiguously. Even in disagreement, Ron Paul is a pleasant person to be around.
Beck also, is not a CrackPot. He too, is often wrong - he admits that frequently. He too is clear and direct in his positions and arguments. I don’t know Beck, but he too is probably a decent guy to be around.
It’s amazing that these people are so anxious to put someone in a “box” so that every word they utter can be discounted as frivolous.
Speaking of, I’ve yet to hear David Frum utter a word worth listening to - but I’m still hoping . . .
I’ve always got the vibe that Beck is in the Romney camp.
No but he also agrees, Paul is a far cry better for the economy than a lot of them out there.
Thanks for posting that!
I love Horowitz, and his warnings need to be heeded, but I don’t follow his thought process on this one. Not that I agree with Frum on anything.
Thank you, too, some rational thought always helps.
Anything said by Axis of Weasels boy David Frum should be discounted.
And then ridiculed.
[If you want to believe Ron Paul nonsense; such as: the Israelis attacked the World Trade Center, go ahead. But don’t try to deny that he is an antisemite. ]
Can you post credible sources for the assertion that Ron Paul is an anti-Semite or that he believes the Israelis attacked the WTC? The only “sources” I’ve been able to find are nonsense ramblings from kook web sites.
AMEN , marron
Only to RINO’s who want to eliminate him as any kind of competition.
I’d like to see that too.
What IF he were, he’s still doing a damned good job of rooting out and exposing the evil taint that has corrupted our government for decades. That’s a lot more than most of the people who purport to be on OUR side are doing.
Whether he is a “follower” of Ron Paul or not, we’re VERY lucky to have a man like Glenn Beck working day and night to salvage The Republic.
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