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Robert Scheer: 9/11 Unleashed American Barbarism (Grab a large bucket)
The Santa Barbara Noozhawk ^ | September 11, 2009 | Robert Scheer

Posted on 09/12/2009 5:53:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In blind retaliation, we wreaked havoc on Iraq and continue to slaughter peasants in Afghanistan.

What if eight years ago the World Trade Center had been leveled by a small nuclear bomb that took out most of lower Manhattan, as well? How many millions of innocent civilians would we have killed in retaliation? Would we still be a free society, or would then-Vice President Dick Cheney have attained the power of a demented king, having moved on from snooping on our phone calls and outing honest CIA agents to destroying the last vestiges of the rule of law?

As assaults on a society go, the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, which left 3,000 dead and are sure to be described in this anniversary week as being among the greatest of historical outrages, were something less than that, given the world’s experience with the ravages of war.

The countless Russians and the 6 million Jews killed by those so finely educated Germans come to mind. The 3.4 million Vietnamese, mostly rice farmers, whom Robert McNamara admitted to having helped kill with his carpet-bombing of their country, are a forgotten footnote. Yet we who have never experienced such carnage on our home front all too easily poke out tens of thousands of eyes for each lost one of our own.

Surely two planes crashing into office buildings and another hitting the Pentagon doesn’t compare to the leveling of every major city in Japan with conventional bombing, capped off by the mass murder of hundreds of thousands more at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Speaking of eyes lost, mark the words of Hiroshima’s mayor two years ago: “That fateful summer, 8:15 a.m. The roar of a B-29 breaks the morning calm. A parachute opens in the blue sky. Then suddenly, a flash, an enormous blast — silence — hell on Earth. The eyes of young girls watching the parachute were melted.”

We assumed that the Japanese people would readily forgive us, and having been raised in the spirit of total obedience to their emperor, they accommodated our occupation quite well, even injecting industrial-grade silicon into their women’s breasts to satisfy the erotic appetites of our soldiers.

Americans who blithely claim the moral high ground with every pledge of allegiance to a flag that, because it is American, is assumed to have never been sullied by imperial greed or moral contradiction expect no less than instant and full forgiveness for our “mistakes.” Only last month, four decades after he led the massacre of 500 villagers in My Lai, Vietnam, did former Army Lt. William Calley express “regret” for his crimes. He served no time in prison for the point-blank shooting of toddlers, thanks to the commutation of his sentence by President Richard Nixon, who might have been anticipating his own need for a presidential pardon.

In blind and wrathful retaliation for Sept. 11, we wreaked havoc on Iraq, a nation that our then-president knew had not attacked us, and we continue to slaughter peasants in Afghanistan who aren’t able to find Manhattan on a map.

We, a people whose nation has never suffered a long and widespread occupation, easily gave vent to our most barbaric impulses, assuming the absolute right to arrest and torture anyone anywhere in the world without revealing his identity, let alone respecting a single one of those God-given rights that we claim for ourselves alone. And even when we identify the few we hold responsible for the attacks on our soil, we refuse them public and fair trials even after years of torturing them.

But we do have a saving grace for our experiment in democracy — although unfortunately it did not exist in the Supreme Court or Congress as a barrier to an imperial vice presidency. It is the power of the lone whistle-blower of conscience, occasionally given voice in what remains of our free press and which can influence presidential elections, as happened quite dramatically this last time around.

There are those like Joe Wilson, who exposed presidential fraud masquerading as national security concern over bogus Iraqi purchases of uranium from Niger, and more recently the truth-telling of Ali H. Soufan, a former FBI agent and lead interrogator of terrorists.

In Sunday’s New York Times, Soufan, who was involved in obtaining much reliable information from prisoners before they were tortured, observed that the recently released memos cited by Cheney to back his argument that torture was efficient actually “fail to show that the techniques stopped even a single imminent threat of terrorism.”

So, Cheney is again proved wrong, but if there had been a larger attack on Sept. 11, I doubt whether many free souls would be around now to tell him so.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 8thanniversary; 911; afghanistan; bush; cheney; cia; eighthanniversary; iraq; obama; robertscheer; scheer; september12era; wot
If you don't think that Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid, Mr. Obama, his remaining czars and the rest of his administration wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Scheer, you're not paying attention.
1 posted on 09/12/2009 5:53:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama could walk right out of Iraq and Afghanistan if he thought to. Why not?


2 posted on 09/12/2009 5:55:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Moonbat!


3 posted on 09/12/2009 6:06:52 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comrade Sheer is a great admirer of the North Korean founder, Kim Il Sung and all things communist. Any guess as to what the USA would look like if he were in charge?
4 posted on 09/12/2009 6:07:15 PM PDT by JPG (Obama...a 24/7 nightmare.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OMG is Robert Scheer stil working? He had been spewing his nonsense at the LA Times before he got canned.


5 posted on 09/12/2009 6:07:18 PM PDT by Wonderama Mama (Socialism is great until you run out of someone elses money - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Robert Scheer would have had us in submissive position after 9/11. "We are sooorrrry, Mister Bin Laden. Did we offend you?"


6 posted on 09/12/2009 6:11:13 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

KIll all Muslim terroist where they stand. No quarter, no prisoners, No Gitmo.

No more problems


7 posted on 09/12/2009 6:14:06 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What if eight years ago the World Trade Center had been leveled by a small nuclear bomb that took out most of lower Manhattan, as well?


Good question. Don’t know the answer to that one. However, I’m quite sure that Mr. Scheer and his ilk would be the first to advocate surrender and mass convert to Islam.


8 posted on 09/12/2009 6:17:19 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This from the communist turd that even the L.A. Times could not stomach as a columnist. Glad he is left to peddling his crap to some podunk newspaper no one reads.............


9 posted on 09/12/2009 6:19:27 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

10 posted on 09/12/2009 6:25:09 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

That’s a nice visual for what I think of anyone who thinks we shouldn’t be able to defend ourselves.


11 posted on 09/12/2009 6:26:14 PM PDT by bannie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Would love to see him walking through Afghanistan, with a big “hug me” sign on him.


12 posted on 09/12/2009 6:26:20 PM PDT by Rickcbw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Although he manages to spew a tremendous amount of emotion-laden vitriol and bile in this piece of, um, leftist claptrap, he doesn’t seem to have stated any rational thoughts or lines of argument backed up by actual facts. Perhaps I have missed one or two, but if so, it would be due to the way that Scheer has cleverly hidden them within the text...


13 posted on 09/12/2009 6:26:31 PM PDT by Zeppo (Save the cheerleader, save the world...)
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To: Wonderama Mama

Even the San Francisco Chronicle dumped Bobby Scheer.


14 posted on 09/12/2009 6:28:53 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is why I love the First Amendment. It makes it easier for us to identity the morons living among us. The guy is the Mother of all Morons.


15 posted on 09/12/2009 6:29:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans! "Behaving badly" since April 19, 1775!)
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To: TexasCajun

He looks like an angry white man with short hair.


16 posted on 09/12/2009 6:44:25 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Commie and Chief will give this idiot a czar appointment soon.

17 posted on 09/12/2009 6:46:28 PM PDT by montyspython ("I don't believe in 'no win' scenarios." - James T. Kirk)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Robert Scheer will be pleased to hear that we have just given the Taliban captured in Afghanistan (who don't know where Manhattan is) full rights to challenge their detention. This grand move was announced on a Saturday night like Jones’ resignation. This guy had the opportunity to liven in North Korea, Cambodia or Cuba but he hangs out in California while damning any and all Americans.
18 posted on 09/12/2009 6:49:34 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“In blind retaliation, we wreaked havoc on Iraq and continue to slaughter peasants in Afghanistan”

Get out of here you POS people should spit on you.


19 posted on 09/12/2009 6:50:57 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Scheer has been an assclown for many years.

You should read what Horowitz sez about him in Radical Son.


20 posted on 09/12/2009 6:57:25 PM PDT by sauropod (People who do things are people that get things done.)
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To: wetgundog

AMEN......


21 posted on 09/12/2009 7:11:33 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( If this be treason, then lets make the best of it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Robert Scheer has built a reputation for strong social and political writing over his 30 years as a journalist. His columns appear in newspapers across the country, and his in-depth interviews have made headlines. He conducted the famous Playboy magazine interview in which Jimmy Carter confessed to the lust in his heart and he went on to do many interviews for the Los Angeles Times with Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and many other prominent political and cultural figures.

Between 1964 and 1969 he was Vietnam correspondent, managing editor and editor in chief of Ramparts magazine. From 1976 to 1993 he served as a national correspondent for the Los Angeles Times, writing on diverse topics such as the Soviet Union, arms control, national politics and the military. In 1993 he launched a nationally syndicated column based at the Los Angeles Times, where he was named a contributing editor. That column ran weekly for the next 12 years and is now based at the San Francisco Chronicle.

Scheer can be heard on the political radio program "Left, Right and Center" on KCRW, the National Public Radio affiliate in Santa Monica, Calif. He has written eight books, including Thinking Tuna Fish, Talking Death: Essays on the Pornography of Power; With Enough Shovels: Reagan, Bush and Nuclear War and America After Nixon: The Age of Multinationals; with his son Christopher and Lakshmi Chaudhry, The Five Biggest Lies Bush Told Us about Iraq. Most recently, he wrote The Pornography of Power: How Defense Hawks Hijacked 9/11 and Weakened America; Playing President: My Close Encounters with Nixon, Carter, Bush I and Clinton--and How They Did Not Prepare Me for George W. Bush.

Scheer was raised in the Bronx, where he attended public schools and graduated from City College of New York. He studied as a Maxwell fellow at Syracuse University and was a fellow at the Center for Chinese Studies at UC Berkeley, where he did graduate work in economics. Scheer has also been a Poynter fellow at Yale, and was a fellow in arms control at Stanford.

As well as currently being a syndicated columnist based at the San Francisco Chronicle, Scheer is also clinical professor in Communications at USC and Editor of Webby Award winning political website, www.TruthDig.com

He has all the proper liberal affiliations that the media require of their propagandists:

LA Times
SF Chronicle
NPR
Yale
Berkeley
Has published TWO unflattering books about GWB

22 posted on 09/12/2009 7:18:07 PM PDT by floozy22
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Another Obama wanna be Czar, submits his resume.


23 posted on 09/12/2009 7:20:11 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“In blind retaliation, we wreaked havoc on Iraq and continue to slaughter peasants in Afghanistan”

If we had wreaked havoc with blind retaliation we'd have suffered zero casualties and there would no one left alive in Iraq.

24 posted on 09/12/2009 7:21:41 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (Eat right,...exercise...die anyway.)
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To: All; 2ndDivisionVet

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NEVER FORGET

.

ROBERT SCHEER was against FREEDOM for others all during the Vietnam War, and has been ever since. Even yours.

RICK RESCORLA fought to save the FREEDOM and LIVES of others during the Vietnam War, and ever since.

Right up til and selflessly including 9/11/2009.

.

9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA =

The Man Who Predicted 9/11

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

.

NEVER FORGET

.


25 posted on 09/12/2009 7:24:43 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, Robert, you’re gonna LOVE this one:

NOTICE TO ALL FOREIGN CITIZENS AND THEIR GOVERNMENTS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkyEtw8lBtI

And if you don’t think America should survive, LEAVE!!!!

Good luck over there in Trashcanistan or whichever muslim country you select.


26 posted on 09/12/2009 7:35:30 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (.THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES. BE THERE!!)
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To: All; JimSEA; do the dhue

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NEVER FORGET

.

ROBERT SCHEER’s supporting Communist North Vietnam’s takeover of a then Free South Vietnam during the Vietnam War =

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

Journey from the Fall

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

.

And ROBERT SCHEER is still fighting real hard to have it all happen again right here in a still Free America.

IF WE ALL LET HIM..?

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NEVER FORGET

.


27 posted on 09/12/2009 7:36:59 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; floozy22

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NEVER FORGET

.

The unforgettable Summer of 09’ =

The Demise of some most responsible for the Demise of FREEDOM for Vietnam

.

ROBERT MacNAMARA
WALTER CRONKITE
TED KENNEDY

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WHY were they always so dead set aginst the FREEDOM of others..?

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NEVER FORGET


28 posted on 09/12/2009 7:54:00 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

>> Scheer was born to immigrant parents. His mother, a Russian Jew and his father, a German, both worked in the garment industry.

And he loves the Commune-ists and hates America. Shame on him.


29 posted on 09/12/2009 7:57:36 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Would we still be a free society, or would then-Vice President Dick Cheney have attained the power of a demented king, having moved on from snooping on our phone calls and outing honest CIA agents to destroying the last vestiges of the rule of law?”

Who wrote this, a juior high kid with a thesaurus?


30 posted on 09/12/2009 8:12:30 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Obama could walk right out of Iraq and Afghanistan if he thought to. Why not?

Well, with a Democrat calling the shots it could turn into a great quagmire, and as long as the military stays volunteer, with decent patriotic Americans stepping up to serve, more conservatives than liberals will die. Sort of a retroactive abortion mill for the young conservatives.

31 posted on 09/12/2009 8:32:20 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If you don't think that Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid, Mr. Obama, his remaining czars and the rest of his administration wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Scheer, you're not paying attention.

Robert Scheer is the High Priest of the Moonbat Left.

This is a guy who actually described himself as a follower of Jozef Stalin, Mao-tse Tung and Kim Jong-il.

32 posted on 09/12/2009 8:38:09 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He didn’t get a single word right, including “a” and “the”...


33 posted on 09/12/2009 10:06:30 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The mere fact that we can easily access the demented ravings of this Marxist throwback disproves all that he is. We can read his comments and “ideas”, and comment upon them ourselves, thus proving that Cheney was more than correct in all his policy decisions, and remains a hero to America to this day. Why? Because we can. Under the oppression this miscreant would have us live under, no semblance of a free press or free political speech would yet remain at all in America. God Bless America!


34 posted on 09/12/2009 11:24:18 PM PDT by Richard Axtell (Only a Democrat can lie about being honest.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In blind retaliation, we wreaked havoc on Iraq and continue to slaughter peasants in Afghanistan.

Gee, even if he were correct, from a "progressive perspective he shouldn't have a problem...isn't it the progressive view that they brought it on themselves? Just remember, it's Obama mindlessly bombing civilians in Afghanistan now.

35 posted on 09/13/2009 2:41:26 AM PDT by highlander_UW (To anger a conservative tell him a lie. To anger a liberal tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
From our Canadian Sister Site, Free Dominion:


Never Forgive,
Never Forget...

Where It's 9-11 All the Time...

Click the picture...






According to eyewitnesses, this couple- a well-dressed man and woman-- in this picture stood together in a hole blown in one of the Towers...

...joined hands...

...and stepped out...

...in to space...

Hell

No

Never Forgive

Never Forget


Do not care

what the Indonesian/Kenyan/Whateverian Con Man, Fraud, and Usurper tries to warp 9-11 into

Do not care,

or pay attention to,

whatever Whores De Jure' ( AKA "celebrities" ) say...

My heart knows the truth,

And I will not,

ever

forget...

36 posted on 09/13/2009 3:09:12 AM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

***capped off by the mass murder of hundreds of thousands more at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.***

I would like to stick this worthless sack of s#!t in the front of the first landing craft to hit the beach in Japan, if we had not dropped the bombs. He would have a very different opinion.

The nukes on Japan prevented my dad from going to the Pacific theater after his mission in Europe was done. He already had orders for there.


37 posted on 09/13/2009 10:29:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tar and feather the sons of b!#ches! Ride them out of town on a rail!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

My late father was a Marine who’d just helped take Okinawa when the bombs were dropped. Guess who would’ve been in the first wave?


38 posted on 09/13/2009 10:33:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $1 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some times I wish the CODE DUELLO was still in effect.

I wonder how many of these jerks would still be around then.


39 posted on 09/13/2009 10:47:15 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tar and feather the sons of b!#ches! Ride them out of town on a rail!)
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