Secret FDA Memos Reveal Concerns About (GMOs)

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[Scythian]

See Video Here (she' pretty, maybe that we'll get you to watch it?)

The Documents are HERE ...

[RoadKingSE]

Don’t eat corn! Convert it to ethanol and burn it in your clunker.

[marlon]

She ain’t that pretty and there are a lot more things I’m concerned about then genetically altered foods.

[Huebolt]

Most of the things we eat became staple food items before all this schizoid testing was possible. I believe that if all food were subjected to the current analysis, we'd all starve to death.

Almost ALL plants contain some kind of toxin as defense against herbivorous animals. Look hard enough, you'd ban most, especially potatoes, tomatoes, almonds, apples, apricots, peaches... Don't even get started on meat and seafood. We'd be living on reds, vitamin C, and cocaine.

[Toddsterpatriot]

I heard that irradiation makes food radioactive!

[Toddsterpatriot]

A decline in general health in the US since 1996? She may be cute, she’s not too smart.

[parsifal]

I’m scared to death of GMF’s. This is the kind of stupid scientific stuff that could end mankind.

parsy, who says “Remember Frankenstein”

[RobRoy]

Omni magazine, back in the 1970’s ran an article regarding all the scary sounding chemicals in processed foods. What they did was show really nicely done photographs of various pieces of fruit with a “government required contents list” based solely on the organic fruit.

They all looked just as scary, from Oranges to Strawberries to Apples.

[Lurker]

Every single bite of food you put into your mouth has been genetically modified one way or the other.

Every. Single. Bite.

[Toddsterpatriot]

I heard Frankenstein tastes like chicken.

[parsifal]

Not by Monsanto.

parsy, who says this is a ticking time bomb

[bushwon]

ALLIANCE FOR BIO-INTEGRITY

Preserving the Safety of Our Food, the Health of Our Environment,
and the Harmony of Our Relationship with Nature

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Who is this group, the source of the documents and what is their true agenda? Seem like another Radical Green group to me, & frankly, tho I have always been concerned about the Green movement, Earthday, etc. but after the Van Jones stuff, I am more suspicious of Green stuff than ever.

[parsifal]

Never tried monsters. I have eaten Frankenberry cereal. It taste like TRIX, as I recall.

parsy, who is partial to cocoa pebbles

[parsifal]

That’s a problem conservatives have. We tend to believe in “business” and dis-believe in gov’t. Remember the tobacco cancer reports? Cigarettes should have been put on the fast track to extinction decades ago. Sometimes the sky really is falling.

parsy, who figures the FDA fell down on the job

[Scythian]

You obviously don't understand what GMO means, they take viruses, bacteria, cells from jellyfish, even instects and blast them at high speed to combine with plant DNA to form new creations, in fact, they most of the crops today kill pests when pests eat them becasue they are natural pesticides, this is the problem here. You guys don't have a clue what is going on. We are eating food with soil bacterium that have been proven to make the cross kingdom jump from plant to animal and can live in man.

Since GMO introduction the number statistics in dramatic rise of disease are indeed true.

"One common method used to "insert" genes is to blast them into the DNA with a 22-caliber gene gun. Scientists first coat thousands of tiny shards of gold or tungsten with the foreign gene. Then they point it at a dish of unsuspecting cells. Then they fire, hoping that at least some of the foreign genes will end up in the right place in at least some of the DNA. This, by the way, is what the biotech industry refers to as their highly precise method of gene transfer.

The impact of a gene-coated shard flying at hundreds of mile an hour into the DNA might, as you probably have guessed, result in some structural "consequences". The native genes can be damaged in ways that the engineer might not be able to identify."

Then they douse this concoction with anti-biotics geared to make sure what they think they want is the only thing that survives, problem is, there are thousands of gene variations that survive, we are eating plants that have soil bacterium, insect genes, and genes from jelly fish and other creatures in them. They will soon even have fields of crops that will producing plastic, this is not fiction folks, you have no idea what you are being exposed to.

Gene blasting is common, in fact, every batch of GMO corn even if made exactly the same way never produces the same result, because it's random, this is not like cross breeding breeds of corn folks, we are insert genes from other phylums into our food.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Count Chocula was better.

I miss Freakies. That's why FR is so great.

[Lurker]

Monsanto, Mendel, what’s the difference? They’ve been GM’d.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Remember the tobacco cancer reports?

The ones from the 60s that said cigarettes would kill you?

[Scythian]

It’s funny how the right continually writes this issue off as leftist cooks, very close minded.

[Toddsterpatriot]

It’s funny how the right continually writes this issue off as leftist cooks

All my food is prepared by right wing cooks.

[Scythian]

Whatever, you were warned and laughed it off, you wont be for long I fear ...

[Lurker]

Then they point it at a dish of unsuspecting cells.

And what would those cells do if they suspected something? Run for their lives?

Ridiculous, alarmist claptrap.

[Toddsterpatriot]

As soon as lefties stop spreading bad info about irradiation, I'll take their other warnings more seriously.

So what in GMO causes autism?

[Mase]

When genetically modified organisms hit the FDA's radar in the early 90's FDA scientists were adamant that GMO foods were significantly different than conventional foods."

Huh? GMO foods were around a long, long time before the early 90's. Since just about everything you eat today has been genetically modified in some way, it's hard to understand what this chick means when she says that GMO foods are significantly different than conventional foods. Conventional?

Without GMO we never would have experienced the "Green Revolution" and a billion of people (or more) wouldn't be alive today. Denying the incredible benefits that came from GMO foods is akin to saying that Norman Borlaug isn't one of the greatest Americans of our age. Only a complete fool would believe or say such a thing.

[Mase]

You needed the government to tell you that inhaling smoke from cigarettes was bad for you even though the industry was attempting to deny it?

No wonder you demonize American industry. Relying on the government, or one of its agencies, to supply you with information most people derive from their common sense is unfortunate.

[knarf]

"Every single bite of food you put into your mouth has been genetically modified one way or the other. Every. Single. Bite."

Every single child on planet earth is a genetically altered human being by the combining of two alien sources ... one male and one female.

Each genetically modified child grows (if allowed) to become a genetically modified adult who in turn modifies his and her own genetically modified child.

A few of these dangerous mutations become President of the United States.

/ feeble attempt at humor.

[Mase]

No one should be surprised by the fact that someone who doesn’t understand the science of genetic modification is scared by it. You’re the one who doesn’t seem to have a clue as to what’s going on. If you truly understood the topic you wouldn’t be posting such hysteria.

[Mase]

So what in GMO causes autism?

He doesn't have any idea. It just does. I mean, he read it on the internet after all. Sheesh, how much more proof do you need?

[Toddsterpatriot]

I always thought the increase was caused by increased government funding but if Shelly Roche says it's GMOs and Jenny McCarthy says it's mercury in vaccines, how can I argue?

I mean, just look at those brains.

[Scythian]

Without GMO we never would have experienced the "Green Revolution" and a billion of people (or more) wouldn't be alive today

Foolish statement, would you like me to point you to studies from Kansas and Iowa about how the yields of GMO crops are less than natural seed crops, it's true, you are uneducated.

[Mase]

You'll get no argument from me. How could anyone argue with those, er, I mean them. Huh? What?

[bushwon]

That’s a problem conservatives have. We tend to believe in “business” and dis-believe in gov’t. Remember the tobacco cancer reports? Cigarettes should have been put on the fast track to extinction decades ago. Sometimes the sky really is falling.

parsy, who figures the FDA fell down on the job

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Thanks for the reply. However, in this day and age, I trust business more than I do government?! Not that I trust either very much, but I have absolutely no faith in what we are being told by this administration. Ex. the Swine flu—I have no idea where the truth lies.

However what scares me even more than government is the facist/socialist/marxist types that inhabit Green groups. Rush has said the Environmentalist movement is the new home of socialists since communism fell in Europe. I think the outing of Van Jones bears this out.

I personally have many more concerns regarding my future than GM food. Our country is about ready to go down the drain....not going there in this post, but I think yu know what I mean. :(

BTW, as I understand it, the GM technology in this country have not been incorporated into food for human consumption anyway—unless you are talking about all forms of hybrid plant breeding like seedless watermelons.

[Hiddigeigei]

I heard that irradiation makes food radioactive!

Not only that, it makes you glow in the dark! Just look at those pigs!

[Scythian]

I know far more about this than you do, by far ....

[parsifal]

No. The ones from the 40’s, 50’s, and early 60-’s where the tobacco industry assured the public that cigarettes did not cause cancer. Which, in theoretical anarcho-capitalist thought, could not possibly have happened.

parsy, who is old enough to remember

[parsifal]

No. I need and we need the gov’t to make the tobacco companies admit this.

parsy, who notes trial lawyers eventually got the truth out.

[Scythian]

Nobody on this thread has looked at the FDA documents linked on this thread stating the dire warnings ... But those are nothing, the evidence for the danger here is overwhelming ...

[Toddsterpatriot]

The ones from the 40’s, 50’s, and early 60-’s where the tobacco industry assured the public that cigarettes did not cause cancer.

Yeah, because people weren't calling them coffin nails after those reports.

[parsifal]

I agree we have bigger problems. But I think people playing with the building blocks of life is like monkeys playing with loaded guns in a kindergarten. It ain’t “if”, it’s “when.”

parsy, who used to live in Louisiana where we ate gar if we caught it.

[parsifal]

People may know the emperor is in his undies, but the truth/deception has to be brought out in the open for it to be acknowledged/not continue “denial”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_Tobacco_Documents_Library

parsy, who says the truth can set us free, well maybe not free, but at least less innocent

[Mase]

Nobody on this thread has looked at the FDA documents linked on this thread stating the dire warnings ... But those are nothing, the evidence for the danger here is overwhelming ...

Is this the same FDA that had reams of proof that saccharine caused cancer? I don't remember hearing them ever apologize for their mistake that ruined an entire industry. The FDA is a government agency and acts as such. They are not the end all when it comes to determining whether something is bad for you or not. They're better than what existed before them but they are still a massive bureaucracy motivated by not making mistakes and covering their butts.

You don't understand high-yield agriculture or how genetically altering plants makes that possible. You don't understand how grafting and gene splicing work otherwise you wouldn't be living your life in fear -- unless, that is, you can explain how GMO foods cause autism.

The food industry knew the FDA was full of it when they banned saccharine just like they know this fuss over GMO foods is much ado about nothing fomented by chemicalphobes, Luddites and toxic terrorists. Enjoy your fear and good luck avoiding GMO foods. You're gonna get real skinny chewing water.

[Mase]

So you needed the trial lawyers to tell you (the truth) that inhaling smoke from cigarettes, that makes your lungs cough and hack up mucus, was bad for you and could cause cancer?

Lacking common sense will make people dependent on others. No wonder so many want to empower the people who would destroy our culture and economy. Sad.

[Huebolt]

Ever watch travel channel? BIZARRE FOODS shows the host traveling the world eating things such as 10 year-old fermented FISH, all types of insects, any and all body parts of almost any creature imaginable, including vermin such as rats. Bottom line, the power of the digestive system and the liver to break down ANY KIND OF DNA, ALTERED OR NOT, is supreme. Once it’s digested, it’s all the same. Amino acid is amino acid.

[Mase]

Foolish statement, would you like me to point you to studies from Kansas and Iowa about how the yields of GMO crops are less than natural seed crops, it's true, you are uneducated.

Oh, good grief. Who am I going to believe...a guy like Norman Borlaug, one of the most respected and inspiring members of the scientific community, or some ignorant chemicalphobe who posts all sorts of crap science from the internet?

For a time finding fault with high-yield agriculture was fashionable among environmentalists and other scientific illiterate organizations. But the facts are not open to debate. You can take issue with Borlaug's achievements but that only puts you in company with a bunch of fools that never took the time or made the effort to learn of what they speak.

[Mase]

I love that show. I've eaten some pretty bizarre foods but that guy is over the top. Makes for great television, however.

People don't give the liver enough credit for being able to do what it does. It's an amazing organ. It's even capable of learning how to metabolizing sophisticated compounds produced by pharmaceutical companies that it has never seen before.

The fearful illiterates here rant about toxins in foods ignorant to the fact that they consume toxins every day and that their liver easily clears them without harm. If they had to eat toxin free food to survive they'd starve. I've found that chemicalphobes live in fear because they never took the time to learn much about chemistry, nutrition or physiology.

[spodefly]

Monsanto lawyers and former executives, who rode the DC revolving door from Monsanto to positions within the FDA, are the ones responsible for getting GMO foods into our markets.

Monsanto is trying hard to get all heirloom seeds out of the market and outlawed so that the only seeds available are their GM seeds.

70 percent of all the soybeans grown in the US now are genetically modified “Round-Up Ready” Monsanto soybeans.

Read up on “H.R. 875: Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009” pushed by Rosa DeLauro, whose husband is a “former” Monsanto lobbyist.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Read up on “H.R. 875: Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009” pushed by Rosa DeLauro, whose husband is a “former” Monsanto lobbyist.

I just looked at that bill and did a search on the word "seed". Didn't find a single mention. Either my search function is screwed up or you are mistaken in your claim.

[spodefly]

The Heirloom seed component isn’t in that bill. Monsanto already has patent rights over any plant cross pollinated by any of their seeds, and the ability to sue any farmer who saves seeds from any Monsanto crop.

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Heirloom seed component isn’t in that bill.

Is Monsanto in the bill?

Monsanto already has patent rights over any plant cross pollinated by any of their seeds, and the ability to sue any farmer who saves seeds from any Monsanto crop.

That has nothing to do with heirloom seeds.

[maryz]

unless you are talking about all forms of hybrid plant breeding like seedless watermelons

Well, seedless watermelon is clearly the work of the devil and would never have been accepted if people still had taste buds!