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SCOTUS Critical Of McCain-Feingold (LIKELY TO OVERTURN! Transcript released.)
National Journal's Hotline On Call ^ | September 9, 2009

Posted on 09/09/2009 7:43:23 PM PDT by xjcsa

The SCOTUS today appeared poised to strike down at least a portion of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of '02, after a majority of justices fiercely questioned Solicitor Gen. Elena Kagan and an atty for the legislation's sponsors, including Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Russ Feingold (D-WI).

The case -- Citizens United v. FEC -- was first heard by the court on 3/24, but, in an unusual move, the court held over the case and ordered a re-hearing before the start of its Oct. term. Citizens United, a nonprofit advocacy org, produced a 90-min. film titled "Hillary: The Movie" meant for a video-on-demand service. The movie took an unflattering view then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) in advance of her WH '08 bid. But the FEC ruled that the film fell under the McCain-Feingold provisions for political ads and should be regulated. Citizens United said it was a documentary, and FEC regulation was a violation of their First Amendment rights.

The order for a re-hearing was widely seen as an indication that the court was seriously considering a broad ruling striking down McCain-Feingold, and today's proceedings did little to make court-watchers feel differently. The basic question before the court: Does the Constitution allow the gov't to impose restrictions on independent expenditures by corporations in the political arena?

Kagan came close to acknowledging the gov't's poor chances under questioning by CJ John Roberts.

"If you are asking me, Mr. Chief Justice, as to whether the government has a preference as to the way in which it loses, if it has to lose," she said at one point, "the answer is yes."

Four of the justices -- including newly-minted Justice Sonia Sotomayor -- urged the court to act narrowly. Justice Stephen Breyer warned that a broad ruling allowing corporations unfettered ability to spend money on campaign advocacy would pervert the political process.

"Would that leave the country in a situation where corporations and trade unions can spend as much as they want in the last 30 days on television ads, et cetera, of this kind, but political parties couldn't, because political parties can only spend hard money on this kind of expenditure?" he asked ex-Solicitor Gen. Ted Olsen, who was representing Citizens United. "And therefore, the group that is charged with the responsibility of building a platform that will appeal to a majority of Americans is limited, but the groups that have particular interests, like corporations or trade unions, can spend as much as they want?"

Justice Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas have been critics of campaign-finance legislation in the past, and their questioning today reinforced those positions.

"Congress has a self interest," Scalia told Kagan during her presentation. "I doubt that one can expect a body of incumbents to draw election restrictions that do not favor incumbents. Now is that excessively cynical of me? I don't think so."

That left the two George W. Bush-appointees, Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito. But reform supporters could not have been heartened by their questioning of counsel. Roberts was arguably Kagan's harshest inquisitor, at one point telling her, "We don't put our First Amendment rights in the hands of FEC bureaucrats."

Alito also seemed critical of her arguments, stating at one point that "more than half the states" permitted corporate campaign expenditures.

"Now, have they all been overwhelmed by corruption?" he asked Kagan, half-rhetorically. "A lot of money is spent on elections in California; has -- is there a record that the corporations have corrupted the political process there?"

SCOTUSblog's Kyle Denniston found one ray of hope for McCain-Feingold supporters, writing that the hearing "had the same overall feel" as the court's 4/29 hearing in NW Austin Municipal Utility Dist. v. Holder, when the court seemed likely to eviscerate a large portion of the Voting Rights Act. But, in that case, Roberts engineered a narrow ruling that left the law largely in tact while ruling against the gov't's position.

The court is expected to rule as early as 10/5, when the court returns for its '09 term. Some observers believe that the court may have ordered the rare Sept. hearing to give Congress a chance to debate legislation that meets the court's constitutional framework in advance of the '10 midterm elections.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cfr; citizensunited; citizensunitedvfec; fec; finance; lawsuit; mccain; scotus
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In my view this story has received inadequate attention here. This case was re-argued today, and the Supreme Court appears likely to strike down the remains of McCain-Feingold completely, and also to strike down bans on corporations (and unions) airing advertisements supporting and opposing candidates.

A complete transcript of today's oral arguments is here (PDF).

SCOTUS Blog's analysis is here.

As mentioned at the end of the article, it appears that the court's scheduling of this early special hearing in advance of the fall term (which begins October 5) may have been intended to allow the issuance of a ruling as early as possible, so as to give Congress and the states time to pass new legislation within the court's Constitutional framework in time for next year's political campaigns.

Bottom line: this appears to be a Big Deal, and may completely remake the campaign process and campaign finance laws, with the emphasis (finally) on First Amendment free speech rights.

1 posted on 09/09/2009 7:43:24 PM PDT by xjcsa
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To: xjcsa

Wow some good news!


2 posted on 09/09/2009 7:44:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: xjcsa

Thanks for the post.


3 posted on 09/09/2009 7:44:55 PM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: xjcsa

Mark!


4 posted on 09/09/2009 7:46:18 PM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: xjcsa

McCain is already worried about this, heard him on radio tonight saying the high court doesn’t understand any of this. LOL


5 posted on 09/09/2009 7:47:25 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: xjcsa

Won’t happen until it happens.


6 posted on 09/09/2009 7:47:25 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: xjcsa

I think it comes down to whether Kennedy will flop on this.


7 posted on 09/09/2009 7:48:04 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: dr_who

McCain just got burned by it in 2008.


8 posted on 09/09/2009 7:48:46 PM PDT by scooby321 (and)
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To: xjcsa
Now if we can kick out it`s author,McLame.
9 posted on 09/09/2009 7:49:17 PM PDT by nomad
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To: xjcsa

YES! YES! YES!

McCain-Feingold was the single piece of legislation that soured me on the workings of our government (not that there weren’t OTHERS, this one was the proverbial straw!)

If this could be overturned, it would be like removing a black stain.


10 posted on 09/09/2009 7:50:03 PM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: xjcsa
"Congress has a self interest," Scalia told Kagan during her presentation. "I doubt that one can expect a body of incumbents to draw election restrictions that do not favor incumbents.

Priceless stuff here. Thanks for posting.

11 posted on 09/09/2009 7:50:45 PM PDT by alrea
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To: Always Right
I think it comes down to whether Kennedy will flop on this.

Kennedy has been extremely solid on this issue in the past - most speculation was about Roberts or Alito working for a narrower decision, but that seems to have been squashed by their questioning today. All signs point to a major, sweeping decision clearing out much of current campaign finance law.

12 posted on 09/09/2009 7:51:29 PM PDT by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: alrea

I always thought it was unconstitutional.


13 posted on 09/09/2009 7:52:18 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: xjcsa

I listened to it instead of the Commie in Chief spewing his usual lies.

I was absolutely fascinated.


14 posted on 09/09/2009 7:52:52 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: xjcsa

One has to consider that some big companies like Google who are ran by leftist oriented executives will give whatever it takes to the Democrats.


15 posted on 09/09/2009 7:54:13 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: scooby321

Very true.


16 posted on 09/09/2009 7:55:36 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Diggity

Agree.


17 posted on 09/09/2009 7:55:51 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: xjcsa

“In my view this story has received inadequate attention here.”

Didn’t you know? It turns out that lack of campaign money limitations helps Democrats more than Republicans.


18 posted on 09/09/2009 7:56:43 PM PDT by Shermy (Space For Rent)
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To: xjcsa

we can only hope at this point.......


19 posted on 09/09/2009 7:57:03 PM PDT by tioga
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To: xjcsa

That sick scumbag who writes for the Washington Post will not be pleased.
EJ Diane or something...


20 posted on 09/09/2009 8:00:34 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: xjcsa

Thank GOD!


21 posted on 09/09/2009 8:01:57 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: Diggity

I always thought it was unconstitutional.
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It clearly is unconstitutional ,, Bush himself said it was and then signed it anyway (??!!!)


22 posted on 09/09/2009 8:04:04 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Hattie
If juan mcbenedictarnold bent over and bared his butt into a mirror and stared at it... he would not even understand that he was looking at his own arse.

LLS

23 posted on 09/09/2009 8:04:37 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: alrea
is there a record that the corporations have corrupted the political process there?

That corporations inherently pervert a process is the go-to Plavlovian bell-ringer for the Left. We're all just supposed to murmur and agree with how evil corporations are.

Corporations are successful groups of business investors working on concert. Why should that be disadvantaged more than the activism of a group such as Greenpeace or the Southern Poverty Law Center?   Only because the Left wants it that way.

HF

24 posted on 09/09/2009 8:05:21 PM PDT by holden
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To: rlmorel
McCain-Feingold was the single piece of legislation that soured me on the workings of our government (not that there weren’t OTHERS, this one was the proverbial straw!)

I agree - both McCain & Feingold should have been run out of town on a rail for even proposing their traitorous bill. The other biggie for me, though, was Kelo v. City of New London, and it still stands.

25 posted on 09/09/2009 8:06:28 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker

Yeah, well...that is one of the OTHER ones that really made me step back...


26 posted on 09/09/2009 8:07:53 PM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: xjcsa
"Would that leave the country in a situation where corporations and trade unions can spend as much as they want in the last 30 days on television ads, et cetera, of this kind, but political parties couldn't, because political parties can only spend hard money on this kind of expenditure?" he asked ex-Solicitor Gen. Ted Olsen, who was representing Citizens United. "And therefore, the group that is charged with the responsibility of building a platform that will appeal to a majority of Americans is limited, but the groups that have particular interests, like corporations or trade unions, can spend as much as they want?"

The answer is glaringly simple: Let any US entity spend whatever they want in advocacy...as long as the ORIGINAL source of the money is identified.

27 posted on 09/09/2009 8:09:59 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Hattie

Hell, McLame was calling on Rep Joe Wilson to apologize to Obambi for calling him a liar during his speech tonight.

Luck McFame


28 posted on 09/09/2009 8:10:21 PM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin's mob minion - Mob Name: Hatman the Hitman)
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To: xjcsa

McCain / Feingold: Gut the First Amendment.
McCain / Kennedy: Amnesty
McCain / (Next Democrat, Please!): Sellout Extraordinaire!


29 posted on 09/09/2009 8:10:59 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer uses George Orwell's book "1984" as a "How To" guide.)
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To: xjcsa

I hope you are correct. And I expect Obama to propose adding 3 new seats to the SCOTUS soon afterwards.


30 posted on 09/09/2009 8:12:33 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: xjcsa
"We don't put our First Amendment rights in the hands of FEC bureaucrats."

Yes, yes, yes!

31 posted on 09/09/2009 8:14:26 PM PDT by magellan
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To: xjcsa

I seem to remember GWB saying he was going to sign it and leave it up to SCOTUS to overturn it. I didn’t like the attitude, but maybe he was playing the long game.


32 posted on 09/09/2009 8:16:18 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: MinorityRepublican
Alito for O'Connor was the game changer against McCain-Feingold. I think I said a few times on FR that it should be challenged again.

Patting my back ;-)

33 posted on 09/09/2009 8:23:29 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: xjcsa

I am sure teddy’s widow will conveniently find a letter he wrote right after he died to support campaign reform.


34 posted on 09/09/2009 8:23:47 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Just got up from Bedroomshire)
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To: Rastus

Not a game and he was wrong then and still wrong today.

Besides, if Bush had his way Miers would be seated on that court instead of Alito. Given her prior speeches I have no confidence she’d have been any better than O’Connor.


35 posted on 09/09/2009 8:24:41 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: xjcsa

ROTFLOL!


36 posted on 09/09/2009 8:25:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: xjcsa

How will the wise Latina vote?


37 posted on 09/09/2009 8:33:54 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Soul Seeker

Ya, I’m just trying to be positive. Some here were saying, “Miers deserves an up or down vote!” Hell no. You stop her before she even gets that far or it’s too late.


38 posted on 09/09/2009 8:37:38 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: xjcsa

The arguement is that corporations and unions are somehow different from “institutional media”. I find that VERY hard to believe. Not all corporations have a ‘right-leaning’ philosophy and most unions are atleast somewhat to the left if not more.

“Institutional media” is incredibly bias to the left. There are very few exceptions I can think about. So as I see, one can eliminate all speech that isn’t formerly approved by the funders, which is incredibly unlikely or one can find a way to improve the ethics within a system of diverging opinions.

That is... honor the right to speech, but find a way to eliminate outright corruption. Either way, it all seems difficult.


39 posted on 09/09/2009 8:39:24 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Buck W.

“How will the wise Latina vote?”

Better than all the white guys!? haha


40 posted on 09/09/2009 8:40:27 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Hattie

Ah yes...one of his grand efforts at PC regardless of the Constitution... gotta love him for it... I sure hope that all of this stunting of free speech is overturned.


41 posted on 09/09/2009 8:43:21 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: xjcsa

bump for later


42 posted on 09/09/2009 9:19:24 PM PDT by Christian4Bush ("A community organizer can't start bitching when communities organize." - Rush, 8/5/09)
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To: xjcsa

A BIG victory for free speech if true.....


43 posted on 09/09/2009 10:07:45 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: rlmorel
"like removing a black stain."

That won't happen until McCain is removed from office. He alone stains the entire Conservative Agenda, and destroys most of what even Republicans try to accomplish. He is a blight, a cancer, and a plague on our country. A miserable, sick old man who needs to crawl off in a hole somewhere for the benefit of the country.

44 posted on 09/09/2009 10:17:57 PM PDT by matthew fuller (BHO-Aks not what you can do for your country; Aks only what you can do for ME!)
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To: matthew fuller

Just as old Teddy died in office, so will McInsane.

Tried removing him from the Senate once. He’s like a shark.


45 posted on 09/09/2009 11:00:07 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: Rastus
I seem to remember GWB saying he was going to sign it and leave it up to SCOTUS to overturn it.

I don't know if he actually said it, but that's the way everybody had it figured here on FR. I think the reason the SCOTUS didn't overturn it the first time is that they were PO'd that W punted that POS legislation over to them, when he obviously should have vetoed it.

46 posted on 09/09/2009 11:12:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: xjcsa
If I had my druthers, I'd go back and do what the supreme Court or Congress should have done back in 1886, and fired the Court Clerk that used an instruction to the attorneys which was never brought up or debated in the case, but added to the Syllabus illegally:

By referencing that as stare decisis the Courts have enabled any and all groups granted Priviledges under governance to acquire the same Rights as Man. I don't believe the Founders ever thought their progeny would be as stupid as to enable something they had fought against throughout the 1700's, British Corporations taking liberties with the Colonies and their inhabitants.

An interesting read on Corporate Personhood is contained at Multinational Corporations (MNCs): Beyond The Profit Motive

Don't take this the wrong way - profit is good; greed is bad. By allowing groups to assume the same position in society as Man enhances the greed factor and inhibits Man's profit, and ultimately his ability to control his political society. Is it any wonder that the corporations are not averse to making the US into a socialist society? After all, they get to run the show without meddlesome restrictions.

As to the limitations in politics, only live humans should be able to contribute, individually, to any politician directly - and only to those for whom he can legally vote. Maybe after the next Revolution and rewrite of our Constitution - if we survive!

47 posted on 09/10/2009 12:25:17 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! Â)
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To: holden

exactly!! bashing corporations while regarding the scum of ACORN, ACLU, ANSWER, et al as “public interest” groups proves the radical agenda of the left and of too many vapid RINOs.

Michael Moore-on was recently quoted saying “capitalism is evil” and lots of other imbecilic stuff..... his view is actually shared by at least a very large proportion of liberals and RINOs..... they just try to “moderate” their real views to preserve their “political viability” just as a young Bill Clinton once worried about how to evade the draft while preserving HIS “political viability”


48 posted on 09/10/2009 1:01:46 AM PDT by Enchante (Speak Truth to Power: Hey, Obama, YOU LIE!!)
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To: xjcsa

This is an important case to watch. It is likely that if they strike this down they will also rule on the side of talk radio when the obama administration moves to silence them.


49 posted on 09/10/2009 6:15:45 AM PDT by KansasGirl ( Obama's heroes have always been left-wing radicals.)
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To: muawiyah

seen this?


50 posted on 09/10/2009 6:17:04 AM PDT by nina0113
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