Posted on 09/09/2009 12:17:40 PM PDT by pansgold
BORN IN THE USA? Shocker! Judge orders trial on eligibility issue Arguments planned Jan. 11 for major Obama challenge
The left cries it's a forgery but cry is all it can do. Let's see... the embossed seal os a forgery, the court stamp is a forgery, the attending Doctor's signature is a forgery, the Supervisor of Obstetics id a forgery and the recorder's signature is a forgery and nattrally the footpront won't match Barack H. Obama's because it's a forgery from a Ken Doll.
So this is why Mr. Obama and his crew blew a million bucks trying to hide where he was born?
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: September 08, 2009 4:42 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi © 2009 WorldNetDaily
Is this the footprint of baby Barack Obama?
A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama's eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.
If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.
Ocomeon. you expect it to be anything but a kangaroo court?
See the headline is misleading. He did not “order a trial” or “agree to a trial”. Any case that comes through the system will be given a tentative trial date, which is what Corsi’s text actually states.
Having said that, we have to hold our breath and see what happens with the numerous motions, both procedural and dispositive that will no doubt be filed, including the one already filed and scheduled to be heard on 10/5. You can also bet the Feds will do everything in their power to postpone the case forever, if it gets past these roadblocks.
Go Orly, Go!
If the footprint (never changes) is a match... what would that tell you fi the rest of the document is unaltered and the ORIGINAL can be produced...
Kenya ... Shmenya. Obama's father (or putative father) wasn't an American citizen. Therefore he is not a "Natural Born Citizen," as required by a quaint old document authored by dead white guys who owned slaves, and by whose rules as published in the quaint old document, we run the Republic. End of story.
However, since I have said so many discouraging things to "The Birthers," I will volunteer to go to Washington, DC, our nation's capital, and get Obama's footprint. OK?
Then I'll stop by Occidental College, and see if he got aid by claiming to be a foreigner.
If the footprint (never changes) is a match.
If it doesn’t fit ?/ they must acquit !!!!!
The Judge agreed there are constitutional grounds on which to hear the case. Something to do with “Natural Born” yadayada...
Johnny Cochran is dead and OJ’s in prison. It fit.
OH, yeah, P.S. There is one possible exception to this scenario. If Taitz can demonstrate that she has a valid document, even before the trial, and the government lawyers know the game is up, they may have to cut a deal so 0 can have some kind of graceful exit. What that would be, I don’t know.
There could also be an important watershed moment in the case if she can get an order compelling the release of his long form BC and other records that shed light on his place of birth. Who knows? Maybe when he applied for Columbia or Harvard, he said he was born in Kenya to increase his multicultural score and chances of getting in.
Incidentally, if you are a government lawyer and you are confronted with convincing evidence that your boss is a fraud, I think you have an ethical and constitutional duty to make that known.
Do you have a reference for that. I’d like to see it because it may at least reveal something of his attitude towards the case. And you make a good point (assuming this is accurate) that setting a trial date might have required him to consider at least the bare bones validity of the action in terms of standing, jurisdiction or whether there is a constitutional question.
Plaintiffs can ask for school and other records which may contain other evidence of place of birth — eg school admission records etc.
children born to foreign mothers in foreign countries can be declared citizens by their military fathers through a process. They’d then have dual citizenship until age 21.
If true, then Obama is a US citizen by virtue of his mother, no matter when, or where he was born. Am I in error? The birth certificate could be a complete forgery, and it woudln't change a thing - because his mother is a US Citizen.
It seems to me that the legitimacy of the President of the United States (the once Leader of the Free World) is a matter of the utmost importance. This is not a zero sum game. The substantive policy issues can get plenty of attention as well. But this case is very worthwhile and may save the country from being turned into a 3rd world socialist nightmare.
I think we all know the answer to that.I am proud to be a “BIRTHER”.
IF this makes it to that scheduled trail date, 0bama will have been in power for essentially a whole year. A year we cannot ever get back. This is somewhat akin to finding out you have a rapidly growing cancer in your abdomen. So you schedule surgery 6 months to a year out...
GUBMINT liberal lawyer/ethical and constitutional duty.NOT A CHANCE IN KENYA er HELL.
Last night I was cruising stations last night during commercials. World Net Daily caught my eye. I found it interesting that it was on Rachel Maddow. She had a person who claimed to be a conservative bashing WND. I didn’t understand why, until this very minute.
Judge Carter also volunteered for Nam after graduating from college. He was a Marine officer at Khe Sanh where he got a Purple Heart and Bronze Star. It does not mean he is a not a Democrat. I think Carter will stand up for The Constitution.
I predicted months ago that the GOP or the Clintons would not drop the bomb on the Kenyan-born usurper until his poll numbers started tanking.
I also said that Bill Clinton always tries to get even with his enemies. Clinton hates Hussein’s guts.
I would not be suprised if this is moderate (Clinton) Democrats trying to fix a serious mistake gone very wrong. To save their party or just a mafia style turf war.
One moderate dem kook who used to posted here and who was smart predicted to me about 6 months ago that the Clintons would move to takeover after Hillarycare got passed.
Sort of odd that Orly finds a judge who may actually enforce laws and The Constitution right about now.
You’re probably right. And even a relatively moderate or even a secret republican in DOJ would know his life would be in great danger if he said anything.
Ping-a-ling.
Not.
The Obama stoges always use the excuse - we have more important things to do or this is a waste of time or something. The old - we cannot multitask. When people use that excuse then you know he is covering up his birth certificate for a reason.
Anyone using those types of excuses are probably Obama shills. Even those disguised as “conservatives” saying let’s beat him on the issues or the ballot box.
The Birth Certificate and The Place of Birth are very important. What Team Obama is trying to do is force the definition of "Natural Born Citizen," to include himself, making that the paramount constitutional question.
He is using Birth certificate = Certification of Live Birth issue to obscure the indisputable fact that he cannot be a "Natural Born Citizen," quite simply because his father was never an American citizen.
Proving that he was born in Kenya, while certainly reinforcing the case, is, IMHO, a secondary process.
It is her age that makes is interesting. I believe she had to be 18 for citizenship to transfer.
There can be other evidence.
Plaintiffs can ask for school and other records which may contain other evidence of place of birth — eg school admission records etc.
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Obama’s kindergarten records are missing,, they would have included a bc copy ... funny ,, the other students records are still on file.
Once again, hopefully for the last time, it is not a matter of someone being a “citizen”
It is a matter of being a “natural born citizen” which is different.
Unless you were brought into this world on us territory and by two parents , each of whom are citizens, yo are not “natural born”
Natural meaning - not citizenship by some law or act!!
“He has a broken hyoid bone and is resigning to be with his family”
Unfortunately I think I am.And yes,the life of an individual who tried to blow the wistle on this would end up shortened really shortened.
Yeah the Clintons are on the same side as Obama. They want the power he has. The Clintons controlled the Dem party until Obama. The Clintons also hate the Kennedys and Obama is a Kennedy guy.
You are correct. In addition, I actually read the court order and what is mssing from the World Nut Daily article is that the Court took Oily Taitz to task for failing to follow the most basic rules of civil procedure that apply to all attorneys, without regard to whether they represent Pubs or Rats, Marxists or Neocons. More signifcantly, the court found that Taitz improperly dicontinued the claims that two of her former clients had asserted in that action -- without their consent -- after they told Taitz that they wanted to retain a new attorney. What Taitz did clearly improper and I am surprised that the court did not impose sanctions. unethical.
Wrong, operative words “Vietnam conflict”
Check your copy of the constitution. Mine had it in.
I predicted this scenario a long time ago. There has to be enough cover for the Clintons to get Hilary into office without splitting the black vote. When it became obvious that she was not going to win, they adopted a wait and sabotage from within so that she could be the “savior of the party”
The future plan looks like this:
1) let the pressure build some more
2) force Obama to disclose his long form
3) let outrage build
4) through proxies, call for Obama’s resignation because of .....whatever
5) Biden becomes President
6) Hilary VP
7) Hilary steps up the “savior of the party line”
8) Biden becomes ill / cant serve / steps down because of the Obama taint ... whatever
9) Hilary becomes Pres and sets up for the next election
absolutly wrong. That’s why John McCain’s mother boogied to a US Military base to give birth. You are either born in the US or a posession on an embassy or military base etc or you are not Natural Born. If Obama didn’t have something to hide he’d just release the original birth certificate. What is he hiding? Is he hiding the fact he was not born? Or perhaps where...
Karma.
“Police Action”
“Team Obama is trying to do is force the definition of “Natural Born Citizen,”
Exactly. `Equivocation’ occurs when a single word or phrase is ambiguous, e.g. US citizen vs. natural born citizen/birth certificate vs. certificate of live birth, and this ambiguity is not grammatical but lexical.
So, when a phrase equivocates, it is not due to grammar, but to the phrase as a whole having two distinct meanings. Equivocation is a subset of “ambiguity”, (one of a number of informal fallacies) and has as its own subset `quoting out of context’ an area in which they excel as well.
Obama, as Gore’s successor to the title “Smartest Kid in the Class,” and his crew have shown themselves adept at twisted argument, even coming out last week and admitting they would make an `emotional appeal,’ which is a type of `red herring’.
Incredible. Their contempt for us (”right wing terrorists”) makes it impossible for them to accept that many Americans are not only awake but keeping up with them. Most of the people they are fooling voted for him and and, as polls show, even the sympathetic ones, more and more of them dropping out as time goes by.
Allow me to make a huge assumption here. Let’s say that this case makes it to trial and Judge Carter rules that zer0 has to release all records being sought. What then? What will happen if zer0 refuses to release the documents? Will that officially commence the Constitutional crisis? I can see his lawyers lining up to file appeal after appeal.
Aren’t you forgetting SanFranNan? She is next in line after the VP. Either Hitlery or SanFran Nan is a nightmarish thought.
No, you are wrong. What does the quote you posted have to do with it anyway? Zero’s dad wasn’t military. There is no connection to Vietnam (and special laws pertaining thereto) in zero’s case. Citizen does not equal natural born citizen. That’s just for starters.
If you were a new freeper, I’d be smelling troll. As it is, I cannot see how a freeper since 2000 can have missed the TONS of posts on point about why zero’s mom could not pass natural born citizenship to zero.
His mother was a citizen, so from what I've gathered in searching the net, that would make Obama a citizen, even if he was not born on U.S. soil.
Of course, that appears to be the main argument - what exactly does "natural born citizen" mean. I've not been able to find where the definition of that term was ever debated at any great length by the fathers of our country, so apparently, it was clear to them.
Hello........ is anyone at home?
S L O W E R perhaps? This doesn’t have a hill of beans worth of anything to do with ()bama’s parents. It has EVERYTHING to do with the place where the baby is born. Got it now?
No. I meant do you have a reference to the fact that the Judge said there are constitutional grounds. Sorry for being vague.
1940 The Nationality Act of 1940, Section 201, 54 Stat. 1137.
“Section 201. The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
“(g) A person born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, has had ten years’ residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, at least five of which were after attaining the age of sixteen years, the other being an alien: Provided, That in order to retain such citizenship, the child must reside in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling five years between the ages of thirteen and twenty-one years: Provided further, That, if the child has not taken up a residence in the United States or its outlying possessions by the time he reaches the age of sixteen years, or if he resides abroad for such a time that it becomes impossible for him to complete the five years’ residence in the United States or its outlying possessions before reaching the age of twenty-one years, his American citizenship shall thereupon cease.
(h) The foregoing provisions of subsection (g) concerning retention of citizenship shall apply to a child born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934.”
1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).
“Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
“(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
“(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
(b) Any person who is a national and citizen of the United States at birth under paragraph (7) of subsection (a), shall lose his nationality and citizenship unless he shall come to the United States prior to attaining the age of twenty-three years and shall immediately following any such coming be continuously physically present in the United State(s) for at least five years: Provided, That such physical presence follows the attainment of the age of fourteen years and precedes the age of twenty-eight years.
(c) Subsection (b) shall apply to a person born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934: Provided, however, That nothing contained in this subsection shall be construed to alter or affect the citizenship of any person born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934, who, prior to the effective date of this Act, has taken up a residence in the United States before attaining the age of sixteen years, and thereafter, whether before or after the effective date of this Act, complies or shall comply with the residence requirements for retention of citizenship specified in subsections (g) and (h) of section 201 of the Nationality Act of 1940, as amended.”
http://www.aca.ch/hisuscit.htm
LOL! Had to look up hyoid bone, but I got the drift anyway. Thanks
Here’s quote from the WND piece by Corsi:
“The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama’s eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.”
That if is a big if if that’s what Carter said. Not the way you thought he commented. Then again, don’t know if Corsi got it right.
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