As I told you before we are not going to play the name calling, and insult game or question my religious belief’s today.
It is a very simple question.
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
Posted on 09/07/2009 9:05:37 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Unlike any man-made computer, the brain is made of living cells that must constantly change as we acquire new skills and information. It appears that the physical architecture of the brain itself changes in response to our experiences. Such a marvelous design makes it possible for us to grow and adapt to our changing environment...
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This might help explain why some of the brains of dead homosexuals taken after autopsies showed differences. Several years ago, gays said that this showed that there were innate genetic differences from birth, but what the results might really show is that they are from the result of experiences. It’s the old Nature vs. Nurture argument and this gives more evidence for Nurture.
I never thought of it that way...excellent reply!
how does this support a 6-day creation and a 6,000 year old earth?
Same song different verse, “it is too completed to understand so that proves that God did it”
Thank you for posting this interesting article.
I didn't see GGG make any such reference in his post.
He didn’t- Ira is famous for diverting attention away from articles by making off topic claims such as that, because apparently spitwads are the only ammunition he has left
I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are 'born that way,' the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain...What's interesting is some people, for reasons of their own, remember only that homosexuals had different brain structure which is not what the study actually said.
My pleasure. This article certainly gives Proverbs 22:6 a fresh new meaning!
Where does the author provide any evidence to support this statement” I believe nothing provides greater testimony than the brain to how we are “fearfully and wonderfully made.?"
The Bible itself tells us that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made.” Moreover, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ created the entire Universe and everything in it, and currently holds it together with the power of His Word. In my last thread, you said that you believe this to be true. If so, why do you have a problem with “fearfully and wonderfully made”?
I guess it’s just me, but I like when an author provides evidence to support their assertion.
I do not see any in this article…
BTW you failed to answer my question, but nice try at changing the subject
As UCANSEE2 already mentioned, this article does not even mention 6-10 thousand years. So it is you who are trying to change the subject, not me. What the author does say is that the incredible sophistication of the brain is one of the greatest examples in nature that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made,” just as God tells us in the Holy Bible.
What evidence does he cite to support his assertion?
The “assertion” is made by the Word of God in Psalm 139:14. The author of this articles cites the incredible sophistication that is your brain in confirmation of God’s Word. As a “Christian”, what evidence do you point to as confirmation that human beings are “fearfully and wonderfully made”?
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
The Author of all creation (and the Author of the ability to scientifically study that creation) tells us that we are fearfully and wonderfully made. Are you calling God a liar?
You did not answer the question, so let me ask it again.
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
The God of the Bible, which you claim to serve, has told us that we are fearfully and wonderfully made. Does your particular brand of “Christianity” refuse to believe the God of the Bible and author of our very ability to scientifically study creation until a bunch of God-hating evo-atheists sign-off on God’s Word?
We are not going to play the name-calling and insult game or question my religious beliefs today.
You still are not answering the question.
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
I answered your question. The Creator of the Universe and everything in it (including science) is telling you that humans are fearfully and wonderfully made. When God tells you He made human beings, He is speaking as one who is above science. Not only was He there at the time of creation, He Himself is the CREATOR! Science can never go back and observe or reproduce the original creation. So if you claim to be a Christian, you are just going to have to take God’s Word that we are indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” Not only that, Romans 1:20 tell us that nature, properly understood, testifies to Gods power and divine nature, so that nobody is without excuse. This is especially true of the evo-atheist scientific priesthood you keep holding up higher than God’s Word.
As I told you before we are not going to play the name calling, and insult game or question my religious belief’s today.
It is a very simple question.
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
I believe the Bible because I am a Christian, Ira. I believe that I comprehend that we are fearfully and wonderfully made because I have been designed to recognize the same as per Romans 1:20. And as that verse further declares, those who pursuade themselves or other men to the contrary are without an excuse and will face God’s wrath. And finally, Matthew 18:6 tells us the following: “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
“Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented.” ~ (your fellow evo-athiest) William Provine
Again I am not going to play the insulting, name-calling, misdirection game and we are not going to discuss my religious beliefs.
As far as your quote, I am unsure what good that does since I have not mentioned Evolution or Atheism.
The question is: What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
Are you saying that you don’t believe God’s Word when He specifically tells us that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made?”
How would you falsify that Jesus Christ created and currently holds together the Universe by the power of His word?
As I previously stated we are not discussing my personal religious beliefs.
Your misdirection, and avoidance are not working today.
I have asked you a direct question that so far you have not answered.
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
Again your circular arguments, misdirection, avoidance, insults, and name-calling are not going to work today, and we are not going to discuss my personal religious beliefs.
You have replied 6 times so far without answering this question:
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
I already answered your question, Ira. Now answer mine. Why are you so afraid to answer questions about what you believe? The Bible tells us that we aren’t supposed to just keep the faith, we’re also supposed to spread it. So why won’t you tell me about your Christian faith? What’s to hide?
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
Your misdirection, avoidance, insults, and name-calling is not a game I am going to play. I have advised you that I am not going to discuss my personal religious beliefs. If you do not have an answer to the question then Man up and admit it.
I answered your question back in #23. The Creator of the Universe and everything in it (including science) is telling you that humans are fearfully and wonderfully made. When God tells you He made human beings, He is speaking as one who is above science. Not only was He there at the time of creation, He Himself is the CREATOR! Science can never go back and observe or reproduce the original creation. So if you claim to be a Christian, you are just going to have to take God’s Word that we are indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” Not only that, Romans 1:20 tell us that nature, properly understood, testifies to Gods power and divine nature, so that nobody is without excuse. This is especially true of the evo-atheist scientific priesthood you keep holding up higher than God’s Word.
And speaking of faith, science must assume that the universe is objective. That is, science must assume the Universe exists independent and indifferent to human sense perception in order for science to work. Should we toss out this assumption if it is impossible to falsify?
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
Your attempt at changing the subject is not going to work. You have failed to answer my question.
I guess this is as close as you will come to admitting that you have no answer, other than circular arguments, misdirection, name-calling, and attempting to change the subject. I will no longer play those games with you, nor will I discuss my personal religious beliefs. Again so far you have failed to answer a direct question.
Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
Are you suggesting that our brain is not an example of being fearfully and wonderfully made?
I am asking what scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
So you’re not going to answer my question?
What about my answer was unsatisfactory, Ira.
God’s word is above science, and there are many things that God knows that science can never, ever investigate. The God of the Bible, the God you claim to believe in, says that humans are fearfully and wonderfully made...who are you to argue with Him?
Now answer my question, Ira. One of the major assumptions that science rests on is that the Universe is objective. This assumption cannot be varified, nor can it be falsified. Should we therefore toss this major pillar of science out as unscientific?
I did not ask a religious question, and I have repeatedly told that I will not discuss my personal religious beliefs.
I asked what scientific evidence did the author cite to support his assertion, and you have failed to provide even one example.
Your little games of misdirection, insults, and name-calling no longer work.
It is now time to man up and provide an honest answer.
What scientific evidence does Psalm 139:14. provide, and how could you falsify that?
What scientific evidence did the author cite to support his assertion?
You're not going to answer my simple question.
Why?
“What scientific evidence did the author cite to support his assertion?”
A “creation science” article on the brain, and all the “creation science” folks refuse to use theirs.
I find that kind of funny.
This is, as you no doubt know, the standard procedure for these sorts of “creation science” papers. I laud your efforts to get an answer to your question - which is a legitimate “support your assertions” question.
I’ll be following the thread to see if any “creation science” brains are actually “wonderfully made”.
I have made no such suggestion. I am simply asking for someone to point me to the scientific evidence the author used to support his assertion.
“Wow.
You’re not going to answer my simple question.
Why?”
The posted article is the one that makes the assertions. The individual you are addressing is making a reasonable attempt at ascertaining if this article has any supporting evidence that is not scriptural in nature. An objective reader will not find any - but will ask if anyone else has found it.
Lacking that, questions about who believes what about what is irrelevant, don’t you think?
You should direct your hostile misdirection somewhere else unless you are admitting that the article is BS.
==Your dishonest use of circular logic, I asked for scientific evidence and you are quoting scripture to me and trying to change the topic.
Ah, I see you have resorted to name calling again. It’s nice to see you back to your old self. I knew your holier-than-thou attitude would only last so long because it would require you to exhibit good behavior yourself. You don’t dissappoint...LOL!
==I did not ask a religious question, and I have repeatedly told that I will not discuss my personal religious beliefs.
The Bible tells us that we should not be ashamed of gospel, nor hide our faith under a bushel, but rather we are commanded to share our faith. Why do you not follow God’s Word when it comes to sharing your faith, Ira? Not only that, we are continually supposed to compare the message of people claiming to be Christians to the Bible to make sure their message is true. Why do you get upset when people compare your message that “Bible-believing Christians harm the cause of Christianity” to the Bible? You are the one who brought all these things up. But when you are asked to open up the Bible and justify your message and see if it’s true, you clam up and no longer want to talk about your religious beliefs. Why is that, Ira?
As for your question, I answered it several times. You just don’t like my answer. God is above science. If he says that humans are “fearfully and wonderfully made,” not only are we not to argue, but it implies that we have been designed to comprehend what God is talking about. And as I stated before, Romans 1:20 says God’s invisible attributes can be understood through what has been made. The Bible is quite clear on this, and yet you hold up a bunch of evo-atheists with science credentials as being a higher authority than the Word of God on His own creation! What is wrong with you, Ira?!?!
Now answer my question. One of the main assumptions science rests on is that the Universe is objective, and operates independently of our sense perception. This assumption cannot be verified, nor can it be falsifed, should we then discard it as unscientific?
I wouldn’t hold your breath, this could take a while...LOL!
more like “Same $h1t, different day”
OK...the workings of the brain are pretty cool....as anyone that ever took Neuro class would already know.
AND?
Likely due to the lack of a normal boost of estrogen recieved a week or so before birth. No boost of estrogen, no conversion to testosterone, no wiring the brain as “male”...
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