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I have another Idea (London's Mayor wants people to fast at Ramadan, here's a better idea)
American Thinker ^ | 9/5/2009 | Larrey Anderson

Posted on 09/06/2009 8:49:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

I just saw that the Mayor of London (Boris Johnson):

has recommended that non-Muslims take the opportunity of the month of Ramadan to fast, along with their Muslim neighbors, in order to promote "understanding between cultures."

Here’s a better idea. One of my degrees is in Comparative Religion. As a result, I have read the Koran about a dozen times. (I have three copies in my library.)

Instead of fasting for Ramadan go out and buy or borrow or even look up the Koran on the Internet. Read the book. Discover for yourself if Islam is really a religion of peace. Learn for yourself if you would seriously consider converting (of your own free will) to Islam.

Enough with the pretending to be a Muslim by fasting during Ramadan … go read their book. Find out what Muslims really believe.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: islam; london; ramadan; uk; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 09/06/2009 8:49:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Islam is a violent political ideology based on a set of laws of which religion is only one component and is used to impose on non muslims.


2 posted on 09/06/2009 8:53:18 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about since they live in the west they stop their fasting and adopt western culture there mayor.


3 posted on 09/06/2009 8:55:21 AM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Man50D

It is a Death Cult.

Christians earn their after-life based upon how they live, islamaniacs feel they earn their after-life based upon how they die.

Death. Cult. Pure. And. Simple.


4 posted on 09/06/2009 8:55:33 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: SeekAndFind

Is this where Zero has been lately since his face hasnt been much in the news and Biden has been rumored to be running the Outhouse?


5 posted on 09/06/2009 8:56:00 AM PDT by Concho (Tell all parents to keep their children home from school on Sept 8.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“On his father’s side Johnson is great-grandson of Ali Kemal Bey, a liberal Turkish journalist and the interior minister in the government of Damat Ferid Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire, who was murdered during the Turkish War of Independence.”


6 posted on 09/06/2009 8:57:29 AM PDT by OldSpice
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To: edcoil

Bingo!

It seems that exercises in outreach/tolerance proposed by the ruling class are invariably one-way streets—Away from civilization, towards barbarism.


7 posted on 09/06/2009 8:57:35 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I have a better idea.


8 posted on 09/06/2009 8:58:10 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Discover for yourself if Islam is really a religion of peace.

Islam is Satanic as is it's False Prophet partner, Sharia Law. Islam may very well be the agent that ushers in the End of the Age, coming soon...

9 posted on 09/06/2009 9:00:16 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: SeekAndFind

I just had a Baconator. Yum Yum.


10 posted on 09/06/2009 9:00:45 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Man50D
Boris Johnson

Isn't he supposed to be a 'normal' non-progessive politician?

11 posted on 09/06/2009 9:01:11 AM PDT by x_plus_one (In Chicago, the dead vote twice, in St. Louis they get elected. Require A Picture ID for voting)
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To: edcoil

So there is little difference between the new mayor and “Red Ken” Livingstone after all.


12 posted on 09/06/2009 9:04:10 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: The Comedian

Bacon...Lotsa Bacon...Bacon wrapped in bacon with a bacon toothpick.
Muslims should like pigs, since they worship one.


13 posted on 09/06/2009 9:05:29 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( If this be treason, then lets make the best of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, sure. I’ll fast at Ramadan if All Mozlems will come to Stations of the Cross during Lent. Fair trade.


14 posted on 09/06/2009 9:08:04 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (You Did Not Vet . . . You Will Regret . . . . We Vote You Out . . . Without a Doubt . . .)
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To: Yorlik803

15 posted on 09/06/2009 9:10:07 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: HighlyOpinionated; cardinal4

I learned all I need to know about islam during my two years in Saudi Arabia and other spots in the middle east.


16 posted on 09/06/2009 9:10:42 AM PDT by Ax (...Aux Armes, Citoyens....)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Instead of fasting for Ramadan go out and buy or borrow or even look up the Koran on the Internet. Read the book. Discover for yourself if Islam is really a religion of peace. Learn for yourself if you would seriously consider converting (of your own free will) to Islam."

But first look up HOW to read a Koran. it must be read in order of revelation, and then you must apply the law of abrogation, which simply means anything Mohammad said At a later time abrogates what he said at an earlier time.

Then you need Mohammad's Sunnah as recorded by Bukhari, Muslim, Ishaq, and Tabari - Islam’s earliest and more trusted sources, -these are the ways and sayings of Mohammad during his life- which is needed to make any sense at all of the Koran. Each verse in the koran must be put in context of Muhammad’s life.

Ishaq's Sira, or biography, is called "Sirat Rasul Allah", and provides the lone account of Muhammad’s life and the formation of Islam written within 200 years of the pedophile prophet's death.
The Sira's chronological presentation is similar in style to the Christian Gospels.

The "Ta'rikh" is the oldest, most trusted and comprehensive history of Islam’s formation and Muhammad’s example, called Sunnah.
It was written by Tabari. His History of al-Tabari is formatted like the Bible. It begins with Islamic creation and ends with the acts of Muhammad’s companions. Tabari is a compilation of Hadith quotes and Qur'an passages. As such, it provides the best skeleton upon which to flesh out the character of Muhammad and the nature of fundamental Islam.

A Hadith is an oral report from Muhammad or his companions. Muslims believe that Hadith were inspired by Allah, making them scripture. The most revered Collection was compiled in a topical arrangement by Bukhari. Allah’s Book, the Qur'an, lacks context and chronology, so to understand it, readers are dependent upon the Sira, Ta'rikh, and Hadith.

All that can be known about Muhammad’s deeds, means, motives, god, and scripture is enshrined in these books.

You can find these online, or a public library (sometimes)

The "Sirat Rasul Allah" was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Ibn Hisham in 830 and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, "The Life of Muhammad" in 1955 by Oxford Press.

The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press.

17 posted on 09/06/2009 9:11:28 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: SeekAndFind
I have a better idea....

Everybody needs to go outside and light a charcoal grill, frying pan and enjoy BACON, lettuce and tomato sandwiches. In honor of the Duke of Sandwich....of course.

18 posted on 09/06/2009 9:13:29 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Hulka
"islamaniacs feel they earn their after-life based upon how they die."

Most muslims which we call "moderate" live a life of "sin", sin in this case means not following the ways and words of Mohammad and Allah (both one and the same really).

All this "bad" behavior, which pretty much guarantees that all muzzies will go to burn in the hell fires Mohammad so vividly describes, can be atoned for by one simple act of Jihad, which not only wipes out these "sins" but also gives them a higher station on Mohammads heavenly brothel.

Kill an infidel- advancing Allah's cause- go to Mohammad heaven.

Islam= Death cult.

19 posted on 09/06/2009 9:18:52 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: SeekAndFind

bump


20 posted on 09/06/2009 9:21:11 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: SeekAndFind


An oldie but a goodie.
21 posted on 09/06/2009 9:25:18 AM PDT by wjcsux (Sarah Palin, making Liberal heads explode from her font porch!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Have a hot dog and a beer.


22 posted on 09/06/2009 9:25:19 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Happy Labor Day to all on FReepers and Lurkers!

23 posted on 09/06/2009 9:30:55 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Nathan Zachary
Most muslims which we call "moderate" live a life of "sin", sin in this case means not following the ways and words of Mohammad and Allah (both one and the same really).

Most Muslims we call "moderate" are just unwilling to engage in Jihad themselves, but willing to support Jihadis in various ways, overtly or covertly.

A Muslim who is willing to take the side of non-Muslims against jihadis is an ex-Muslim.

24 posted on 09/06/2009 9:40:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have an idea. Why don’t Muslims read the Bible, take communion and attend Good Friday service? That would promote multicultural understanding also.


25 posted on 09/06/2009 10:12:10 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Hulka

“Christians earn their after-life based upon how they live, . . .”

Christians don’t “earn” their place with the Lord. Jesus did all the “earning” on our behalves.


26 posted on 09/06/2009 10:15:46 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: SeekAndFind

I think a better idea would be to eat more pork. That way we could have less pigs and thus less chance of swine flu. Maybe the intestinal gases produced by eating pork would also drive away the muzzies!


27 posted on 09/06/2009 10:21:45 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Diversity causes division and resentment.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Islam may have some culture..no denying that, but I've read the Qur'an enough to know the followers are running toward a wide road to hell. It's hard to "love" them into the kingdom when they ask such silly things like fasting for Ramadan when if turned around would they go to Easter celebrations or Yom Kippur? Go for the Hindu celebrations? Re-build all the buddha statues they've blown up? Would they change any portion of their "culture" sans "honor" killings? Doubtful.

I pray for the muslims and will speak of my love for G!D and our Messiah but I will not compromise my faith to fast when my faith celebrates HIS resurrection. Granted, I do pray and fast for many prayers to be answered as is written in the Bible but this?

"O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become God-fearing." (The Quran, 2:183)

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: Whoever fasts during Ramadan with faith and seeking his reward from Allah will have his past sins forgiven. Whoever prays during the nights in Ramadan with faith and seeking his reward from Allah will have his past sins forgiven. And he who passes Lailat al-Qadr in prayer with faith and seeking his reward from Allah will have his past sins forgiven (Bukhari, Muslim).

Well my sins ARE forgiven as are all muslims therefore fasting for something to a god, not a god of the Bible as some intermediary between G!D and man,and fasting in a way that takes away from what was finished on the cross and three days later would be in my mind pure blasphemy.

Denial of the obligatory nature of fasting in the month of Ramadan amounts to disbelief.One who avoids fasting without genuine reasons is a sinner and transgressor according to Islamic Shariah (Law).

If this is true, which I've read well more than once, then I'll take my punishment. No way I'm going to fast for allah. Just isn't going to happen.

28 posted on 09/06/2009 11:26:33 AM PDT by Karliner (Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before. DDE)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve made a point of eating much more pork during Ramadan this year.


29 posted on 09/06/2009 11:33:11 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: SeekAndFind

Super. And I hope they join their Catholic neighbors (like me) at fish fries and abstaining from meat on Fridays and fasting on appropriate days. Maybe stores will close on Good Friday...


30 posted on 09/06/2009 11:38:51 AM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about the good citizens of the UK take advantage of the hungry moslems and run them off their island once and for all...


31 posted on 09/06/2009 11:53:56 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: Yorlik803

That’s good - and some good ole sausage cooked in an iron skillet and use the drippings to cover a koran...kinda like the respect they show when they take over a church and wipe their butt w/ a Bible...


32 posted on 09/06/2009 11:55:55 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: BCW
I would rather turn a mosque into a pig pen.
33 posted on 09/06/2009 2:24:50 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( If this be treason, then lets make the best of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good old looney tunes Boris - his genocidal Turkish blood is leaking.

‘I am the proud offspring of Turkish immigrants...”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/09/boris.localgovernment


34 posted on 09/06/2009 2:32:20 PM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: ModelBreaker

One is supposed to live as a Christian, that is, to follow the Lord’s Word, and not living up to the Lords Word puts your soul in deep risk, that means Chritianity is a way of life.

Isalmaniacs think the way they die is the way to get to heaven. They are a death cult.


35 posted on 09/06/2009 3:17:55 PM PDT by Hulka
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