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Swine Flu: Path to Martial Law?
American Thinker ^ | September 06, 2009 | John Griffing

Posted on 09/06/2009 5:02:49 AM PDT by kingattax

Could a form of martial law be imminent? Obama appears ready to cross the Rubicon, and all he needs is a killer virus.

Let’s connect some dots.

Remember President Obama’s Executive Order basing 80,000 active troops at home for the first time in the history of the peacetime military establishment to “help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack….”

Now connect that information to the recent announcement that the military has established regional deployment locations all across the United States to “assist civilian authorities in the event of a significant outbreak of the H1N1 virus this fall, according to Defense Department officials.”

Civil unrest and crowd control? Significant outbreak of the H1N1 virus this fall? What do they know that we don’t?

Swine flu has been made into a crisis in the minds of the public, even though swine flu, or H1N1, is the most non-lethal “killer” virus ever uncovered. As a cataclysmic event demanding military assistance, it ranks near zero. It is doubtful whether swine flu could even be classified as an “epidemic,” much less a “pandemic.”

Regular influenza, the common flu, kills 36,000 people every year. The 1918 flu pandemic killed an estimated 50-100 million people worldwide over a period of two years, approximately one-third the population of Europe at that time. Global swine flu deaths topped just 1,000 this year.

But President Obama is predicting death tolls of 90,000 and possible infection of up to half the US population

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flu; h1n1; influenza; law; martial; martiallaw; obama; swineflu

1 posted on 09/06/2009 5:02:49 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

When it comes down to it, do you really think that OUR military will take up arms against US? HMMM,,,I dont think that will happen. More likely that the 80,000 will march on Washington, DC.

At least they would have some confidence that Disneyland East is a gun free zone.


2 posted on 09/06/2009 5:11:41 AM PDT by Concho (Tell all parents to keep their children home from school on Sept 8.)
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To: kingattax

I’ve been beating this drum with co-workers and gun owners at the local gun range. I work for a hospital system, and we’ve not had a single reported incident except one employee in IT that had “flu-like symptoms.” I’m curious how much the media is hyping these numbers. They could lie to us (they have in the past) about the infection numbers or hype anyone with a fever and a sniffle as “potentially infected.”

29 years on this Earth and I’ve had the flu once... just once. Never get the flu shots. Take my vitamins everyday, eat right, exercise. I don’t have kids (yet), so I’m sure the little incubators are part of the infection problem. However, even working in a hospital, I don’t worry about it.

If they try to institute martial law, I would hope that the States would step in and say “not so fast,” especially with recent laws being passed in many states that prohibit the government from seizing lawfully-owned weaponry. Some goon from the CDC comes knocking on my door telling me I need to get a shot, they’ll be getting a shot from me, verbally and, if necessary, from the muzzle of a rifle.

Bring it on Obambi. Your lies and misdirections are only going to be tolerated for so much longer before the American people start hammering on you like we did Van Jones.


3 posted on 09/06/2009 5:12:46 AM PDT by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
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To: kingattax
Swine Flu: Path to Martial Law?

Yes! Next question.

What is it with these article titles in the form of a question? Have all the writers gone jeopardy on us?

And another thing...in the past 8 years I have not seen nor heard the term president used so many times as I have in the past 8 months. Some articles actually insert the word before "its" name every time they use it. Makes me gag!

4 posted on 09/06/2009 5:15:05 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: kingattax
In early July The WHO convened in Cancun Mexico. The head of the WHO, Margaret Chan, during her speech made the following remark: She stressed that the overwhelming majority of patients experienced mild symptoms and made a full recovery within a week, often in the absence of any form of medical treatment.The exceptions, she said, were pregnant women and people with underlying health problems, who were at higher risk from complications from the virus and should be monitored if they fell ill.

Why then this talk of a pandemic with the assumption 90,000 will die? Many states have their own laws declaring a health emergency with mandatory isolation, quarantine and vaccination. Such legislation is based on a document known as The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act. It was written by attorney who assisted in drafting this proposal was also very involved in Hillary Clinton's health care task force nearly a decade ago. More information can be found at www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2289284/posts
5 posted on 09/06/2009 5:20:18 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: kingattax

It wouldn’t surprise me if BO pulled a fast one and declared some action to stop the 9/12 march under the false pretense it is necessary to stop large public gatherings to prevent the spread of the swine flu.


6 posted on 09/06/2009 5:22:34 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: rarestia
29 years on this Earth and I’ve had the flu once... just once. Never get the flu shots. Take my vitamins everyday, eat right, exercise.

Well, I've had almost double your years on earth and I only remember one time that I had the flu (around the year you were born), but it came at the end of a bad cold that went into a bronchial infection.

I've never had a flu shot, nor do I ever intend to get one.
I do not take vitamins, eat for crap and do as little exercise as is humanly possible. I don't do sick! The last time I had a cold bad enough to discuss was 16 years ago. I lived and I didn't take anything or go to a doctor.

7 posted on 09/06/2009 5:23:07 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody
Also keep your hands scrubbed and cover your mouth and nose when you sneeze, and the odds of getting the flu drop. We've had a case of H1N1 at our office building but since then none. The management put up Purell dispensers at the door, and they've been really good about filling up soap in the Men's Room. (shock!)
8 posted on 09/06/2009 5:39:05 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: kingattax
Liberals/progressives/communists/fascists have all been projecting that the government will create an incident to cause martial law. They have projected that scenario for years now. When they claimed 9/11 was an inside job...the logical response to that level of a terrorist attack was what? We didn't initiate full blown martial law, there was no over-reaction to the event that would have given/could have given GWB those sorts of powers.

Liberals always project their next move. They claim it is what they fear the most, but it is what they want the most. The misinformation and disinformation regarding H1N1 is on purpose, they will take advantage of it. If their tactics hold true, they will release something to make matters worse. They will faux overreact and create their martial law requirement.

As part of the avian flu ping group I have observed how other countries handle the outbreaks. Some downplay, some up-play but all the governments play the crisis.

Something very evil is coming.

I will be glad if I am wrong.

9 posted on 09/06/2009 5:41:24 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: Just A Nobody


I'll take anal bum cover for $700 Alex.
10 posted on 09/06/2009 5:41:58 AM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: rarestia

I’m with you. Newspapers have blurbs such as, “University Struck By H1N1”, but when I ask my neighbors kid about his school and the flu, he said he didn’t know of anyone who was sick!


11 posted on 09/06/2009 5:44:01 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Just A Nobody
In the late 50s and early 60s I had an annual bout with the flu. Lord preserve me but I was sick. From about 1965 until 1992, I did not have the flu and managed to avoid flu shots even though I was in the army most of those years.

After Desert Storm, I worked in confined quarters with soldiers returning from the desert. My wife and I both experienced an upper respiratory (chest, throat and sinus) problem that laid us low each fall for several years. We seem immune to that now with out flu shots. If we survived these other influenza outbreaks, I guess we will make it with this Muslim Pig flu. Ozero can keep his shots and his martial law. We don't choose to play.

12 posted on 09/06/2009 5:50:09 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: AndrewB

LOL! Good one...


13 posted on 09/06/2009 5:52:22 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Man50D

“”It wouldn’t surprise me if BO pulled a fast one and declared some action to stop the 9/12 march under the false pretense it is necessary to stop large public gatherings to prevent the spread of the swine flu.””

After reading about some states proposing pandemic responses, I also expect this to happen to shut down all rallies.

It’s not only IA (as discussed on FR recently), now it’s MA, FL, NC, WA.

CA, ME, MD, NB, NY, OH, TX, VA, WI have declared states of emergency without proposals as yet.

Barbara Fischer, president of the National Vaccine Info Center has good information on the so called epidemic. She said public health doctors have persuaded legislators to pass legislation regarding a response.


14 posted on 09/06/2009 5:54:09 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: kingattax
Obama will reference Katrina when he does this.

A natural disaster. We see it coming. We have had warning. With Katrina, Bush acted too slowly and not strongly enough. Obama won't make that mistake. He won't let us down. That's why we are all being marched off to the camps as soon as anyone sneezes.

This is his big opportunity. As his support is crumbling away, I think he has to make his move.

15 posted on 09/06/2009 5:54:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Concho

You are probably a bit overoptimistic. 80,000 troops are surely selected for reliability. American soldiers will not be plunged into things overtly unConstitutional, they will be dipped gently into less and less kosher activities until they are used to it and will be rotated out of action when it is perceived they are getting nervous.


16 posted on 09/06/2009 5:55:30 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: kingattax

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756#docid=-2814910134717330155


17 posted on 09/06/2009 5:56:27 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Lion Den Dan
Thank you for your service to our country.

WOW, I did not know you could opt out of any shots the army said you needed. It is a wise decision on your part to avoid any shot the current usurper supports.

As an aside...my mom would get the flu shot every year and without fail would become deathly ill. One year her doctor (new) said it is flu shot time of the year. I told him I did not think it was necessary and informed him of her history with them. He agreed and her last 3 years on earth were lived free of the flu.

18 posted on 09/06/2009 6:00:21 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Man50D

no, it won’t happen cuz he’s got those 50K praying Muslims coming to Washington later in the month...


19 posted on 09/06/2009 6:00:49 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: arthurus
American soldiers will not be plunged into things overtly unConstitutional, they will be dipped gently into less and less kosher activities until they are used to it and will be rotated out of action when it is perceived they are getting nervous.

I agree, and I think this also goes for law enforcement. It will be a gradual thing; most Americans in those fields are Americans first and not loyal to Obama's Dear Leader cult of personality, so it will be necessary to trick them into it in some way by making it look as if it is really a good thing, helpful to America.

20 posted on 09/06/2009 6:01:03 AM PDT by livius
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To: kingattax

If anyone knows how to photoshop, they need to do one with the Calvin cartoon kid. Only they need to put Barry’s head on him, peeing on the constitution instead of a car manufacturer logo.


21 posted on 09/06/2009 6:02:18 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer A. Rothschild)
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To: Man50D
Why then this talk of a pandemic with the assumption 90,000 will die?

Because like alBore says that we here in Florida and Manhattan will will be under 20 feet of water in 10 years!!!

22 posted on 09/06/2009 6:02:35 AM PDT by danamco
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To: ClearCase_guy
[President] Bush acted too slowly and not strongly enough.

I wish people would quit repeating the lies of the enemedia!

23 posted on 09/06/2009 6:02:39 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Concho

Zero can declare anything he wants, the military won’t support him, most of LEO’s won’t, and millions will pay no attention whatsoever to his commie rantings. It might spark a revolution, but thats coming anyway, unless somehow he is impeached or is found to be unqualified to hold office and is thrown out. Real patriots will obey no law that the commie usurper imposes, unless they want to ,and will defend their decision with their life.


24 posted on 09/06/2009 6:08:57 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion)
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To: kingattax

No way would I take his swine flu vaccine!!

Just do not trust this administration.


25 posted on 09/06/2009 6:19:30 AM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: danamco
You mean in 10 years the subways will finally be clean?
26 posted on 09/06/2009 6:32:45 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: kingattax
I am NOT an 'anti vaccination' person. But I AM 'anti H1N1 vaccination'.
Reason: After very Flu Shot I received (2 total) after I hit the big 'five-oh', I got the Flu.
This was typical for the 'old fogies' like me who I worked with at the time. Every one of them 'got sick' (Muscle Aches, Joint Pains and Fever) after their Flu Shot.
And a 'Forced Vaccination, Relocation and Isolation', like the Kenyan interloper is speaking of for those of us who "resist" -- Where the CDC will be coming into YOUR HOME with Armed Feds as guards and without a WARRANT in order to vaccinate you against your will!?!? You can bet your bottom dollar I'm AGAINST that!

As it *only*(/s) violates the Constitution and Bill of Rights in at least SIX PLACES; The 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, 13th and 14th Amendments. So any CDC workers (aka ACORN) that come to my house bearing Hypos for me and my family, along with any DHS Jackbooted 'guards' bearing Sigs -- will be met with a Toxic Metal response in defense of my Rights -- in English: Hot Lead. (1)

(1) This is NOT a threat, nor am I advocating Violence. I'm merely stating how I would/could/will defend MY Constitutional Rights and those of MY family.
And if no 'Forced Vaccinations' are 'mandated', then there's nooooooo problem.

27 posted on 09/06/2009 6:43:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: kingattax

I hate to say it, but this is the door that Bush opened. It’s always well and good to curtail freedoms when your side is in charge (I guess), but sooner or later, the other side comes in - and builds upon those curtailments.

I think we are on the path of another Woodrow Wilson administration.


28 posted on 09/06/2009 6:45:36 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Just A Nobody

You can’t opt out. Sometimes you have to artfully dodge and defy authority. There is some risk involved when it comes to tinkering with shot records.


29 posted on 09/06/2009 6:49:53 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: kingattax
I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but the Army Times reported the troop re-assignment to be effective on October 7, 2008. That was while President Bush was in office, who, BTW, was the one that signed the executive orders that set the Martial Law ball rolling. For the first time in our history almost unlimited power was given to the presidential office holder without any congressional oversight. Around that time the W.H.O. was given unrestricted authority to quarantine the US in the event of a "Pandemic" by another executive order signed by G.W. All of this unprecidented power was then handed off to a Communist without a whimper. It should be apparent by now that all of these folks work for the same organization. You can read one of hundreds of articles written about the troop assignment at the following link:

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3861.shtml

30 posted on 09/06/2009 7:00:20 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Ahhhhh...I understand. ;*)


31 posted on 09/06/2009 7:06:47 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Man50D
You might be right.

The Communist in Chief ain't gonna allow Americans to defy him much longer.

32 posted on 09/06/2009 7:07:20 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Big_Harry
It should be apparent by now that all of these folks work for the same organization.

You are so right, Big Harry. We have NOT had a President who was not a member of the Globalist Elite since Ronald Reagan. We need an American Patriot as a leader now, more so than ever in our history.

33 posted on 09/06/2009 7:21:28 AM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: Just A Nobody

I thought the sarcasm was obvious. Guess not.


34 posted on 09/06/2009 7:39:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: livius

“It will be a gradual thing;”

It WILL be a gradual thing? It HAS been a gradual thing! Our sense of proper governmental power and authority has been seriousley eroded for 40 years now. We are further down You-Will-Comply Lane than many imagine. There is a reason such a small percentage of the population fomented and executed the American Revolution: ‘takes balls.


35 posted on 09/06/2009 8:04:27 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Man50D

That’s a great ‘take’ there, sir!


36 posted on 09/06/2009 8:15:35 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: kingattax

Much better!


37 posted on 09/06/2009 8:31:45 AM PDT by upchuck (Neuter them in 2010 - Send them packing in 2012.)
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To: livius
I think this also goes for law enforcement.

I don't

I live in southern Missouri

A few years back some people were killed and the guy accused Ben Johns was running around here.

There was a major man hunt that included road blocks at every little intersection where all cars were stopped and searched.

Some of the LE were very professional a quick look in the cab of my pickup and I was on my way.

With some it was out of the truck and search the truck for him under seat in glove box. Teenage kids always seemed to get the close search and yes they found some drugs and they found some kids with beer.

They used the manhunt and some LE even said it was a chance to really shut down stuff in this area.

Some were very polite and some treated everyone like criminals.

There will always be those who will do their duty within the Constitution there then some of them are just bullies looking for an excuse to be knot-heads and those scare me

I always ask where did they find the people to work in the death camps in Germany.

Well they are in every population just waiting for the day they can be what they want.

38 posted on 09/06/2009 8:46:52 AM PDT by mouser
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To: kingattax

Everyone should goolge: REX84 And or
Operation Garden Spot

It is about just this operation and it should scare the hell out of you.
I’m just hoping the military tells him to go F himself.


39 posted on 09/06/2009 8:51:54 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84)
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To: Ranger Drew
We need an American Patriot as a leader now, more so than ever in our history.

Someone like, say, maybe, Jim DeMint?

40 posted on 09/06/2009 9:19:34 AM PDT by upchuck (Neuter them in 2010 - Send them packing in 2012.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Plot?


41 posted on 09/06/2009 9:46:43 AM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: kingattax
Not to rain on the parade here, but I don't see (at first flush) where Griffing gets the "80,000 troops" number. And from an Emergency Response/Incident Management standpoint, there are a few issues needing answers before sending up the red star cluster on this issue.

Griffin's source document ("Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1" (at http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/) notes that a Brigade Combat Team (BCT - maneuver units plus attached support elements) is being placed "on call" during their home-station dwell time between deployments.

Is this a good thing or a cause for worry? Let's look at a couple of points arising out of Griffing's article:

1. These BCTs are already based in the Continental US at any one of a number of existing military installations - nothing new on that issue. 1st BCT, 3rd Infantry Division is stationed at Ft. Stewart, Georgia, USA.

2. What is their mission? First and foremost, I am deeply concerned about this type of assignment, without knowing the details of their mission tasking. So (in preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best), we anticipate that they could receive a domestic policing or pacification response mission. Not a good thing by any stretch ("Posse Comitatus" anyone?).

On the other side of the "on-call" assignment coin:
(a) How will they be deployed in light of the current National Incident Management System (NIMS)? Federal assets don't get engaged unless/until the Local and State government agencies (1) realize that they don't have the resources available and (2) send up the request for more help to the feds.

(b) The logistics support effort that this element could provide would be a great supplement to the National Guard mission. Again, we should ask: How will the Incident Command be structured, and what is the mission for the Active Duty element? Being ready-to-go will reduce the response time that the socialists cried about during Katrina.

3. As to the number of troops in a BCT designated for this mission, it appears that Griffing slipped the decimal point a place to the right. A typical BCT runs around 6,000 - 8,000 troops, which includes the supporting (non-Infantry/Armor maneuver) elements. Not that 80,000 couldn't potentially end up being involved; just that we have about 8,000 "on-call" ready to help.

Bringing this information as an Emergency Response Planner, with NIMS certification

42 posted on 09/06/2009 10:57:59 AM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: Ranger Drew

I think that we are seeing the hobbling of our enemies by the Lord. If they continue to fall on their own swords, then someone like Michelle or Sarah might stand a chance in 2012. Of course there will always be the 15-20% that will vote for their favorite wack job candidate who will be so swept up by their 15 minutes of fame that we will probably be right back in this crapper.


43 posted on 09/06/2009 11:05:34 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: AndrewB

This is an avenue this bozo could use to incarcerate “extremists”.


44 posted on 09/06/2009 11:45:06 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84)
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To: Joe Boucher

Bttt


45 posted on 09/06/2009 7:29:14 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Thank You Rush

Sorry - NB is NE.........


46 posted on 09/07/2009 5:13:06 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: ClearCase_guy
Obama wants and needs a crisis in his own mind as a veiled attempt to bring his poll numbers back up.
He will fail.
47 posted on 09/07/2009 5:24:02 AM PDT by MaxMax (Don't stop them when they're imploding, just step out of their way)
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