Posted on 09/03/2009 5:23:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
FRESNO, Calif. – Top Obama administration officials are taking California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to task for blaming the state's water crisis on federal environmental restrictions.
The governor sent a letter to Washington Wednesday demanding a response to "catastrophic impacts" he said were caused by environmental rules that have slashed water deliveries.
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Why haven’t they built a de-salinization plant in California?
They have 40 million people and are always short on water.
This blows my mind and I don’t even live in CA any longer. Salazar and Locke lie and they’re going to put more agriculture out of business because of these fish.
Okay...eat the vegan diet....
Assuming anyone would even bother to invest in them again knowing that the water could be turned off again at any moment. I would have to declare all agriculture in California dead at the point forever.
Good points and you’re right, the precedent has been set. This will affect tens of thousands of acres in the San Joaquin Valley.
Agreed. It is an easy sell too. The impact on the environment of de-salinization is much, much less than how we get our current water supply. De-salinization would actually be a great benefit to the land based environment.
Building de-salinization plants along the coast to replace the water currently taken from the Colorado River and the Delta is a great idea whose time has come!
It already has affected tens of thousands of acres. Just drove thru on I-5 it is a shame. Thousands of acres of fields and mature orchards are brown and dead! Just what the country needs —— higher food prices.
Watermelons in control ————— vote’m out!
So why hasn’t someone plowed down the locks that are preventing the water from flowing? Whichever agency that shows up, that’s where you start with the ‘who to talk to’ string. .. in the mean time, there will be enough water to keep the trees from dying.
Turning off the water is nothing short of insane.
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Really sad, I used to drive I-5 often from the time it was completed through the valley until about 15 years ago and watched agriculture grow from bare land in many parts to thriving farms. The enviros are winning the fight and it’s criminal.
Where’s Willy Nelson when you need him?
Where is he? -—— STONED!
My daughters’ teacher last year was vegan because of water.
My daughters’ thought the teacher was stupid, and we’re not going to that school anymore. (It was a small private Christian school in California.)
I figure if you are that concerned about wasting water in California, then move some place where there is lots of water like Seattle.
I had to drive from San Jose to Visalia last year, and it was very sad to see all the dead trees.
It’s one thing to read about the problem, and it’s another thing to see the problem.
Arnie and Obama are both to blame. Arnie is late to the game and the wackos are winning.
Why haven’t they built a de-salinization plant in California?
BUMP!
In fact why doesn’t the Zero commision these plants right now?
This Guy ought to have some answers instead of just lame excuses.
Would put lots of people to work, Both construction and Agriculture.
People still need food, Vegan or not.
The San Joaquin’s Agriculture is pretty much Dead.
This would seem to be a Blank Slate, Perfect for a Demonstration Project on Green Agriculture.
This will drive up the cost of food for all of us. In my estimation, this is a criminal act.
When the de-salinization plant goes on line the environmentalist will see it as an opportunity to save more fish.
“This will affect tens of thousands of acres in the San Joaquin Valley.”
Yet the environmentals have no problem with the rest of California being burned down by illegal alien Drug Cartels.
88,000 acres in the La Brea fire alone last month.
We are at WAR with Mexican drug cartels for US land. We have been invaded by ARMED-TO-THE-TEETH foreign organized criminals——drug-funded terrorists. The cartels are fighting each other for US territory——50-plus guards are stationed on some cartel farms. They have armed patrols walking country neighborhoods at night in this county. DHS will not help.
It’s time we sue DHS under the ESA provision (like enviro-freaks sue govt); we collect atty fees because the feds won’t enforce immigration law to stop these foreign operatives from destroying ‘endangered species’ habitat.
see photos of these camps here: http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=invasion+lou+dobbs
This is about more than legalizing pot. We are losing California, and it won’t be the only state if this isn’t stopped. We have been invaded by terrorist, well funded, well ARMED foreign organized crime!
Would anyone pay attention if it was the Taliban growing poppies on our land!????
One of these fires, likely caused by Mexican Cartels..we’ll know for sure soon, just got less than 1/4 mile of my house.
NOT fun.
http://www.siskiyoudaily.com/news/police_and_fire/x1574722310/Fire-spreads-to-103-acres-in-Hornbrook
Republicans should adopt it and run with the idea. THey should try to be forward thinking and outflank the democrats.
This is how Republicans can split the dems out west.
We definitely should be at war with the Mexican drug cartels but sometimes I wonder. For each farm they find there’s probably ten or more we don’t. They should put the Air Force Reserve to work with Apache Attack Helicopters and A-10 Warthogs, take names and kick butt. Blow them away and let everyone in Mexico know what’s happening.
That’s beautiful country all around Hornbrook, was always fascinated driving through there.
“At what cost per acre foot and what would it do to the price of food products. Desal water still has a high salt content and would require replanting with salt resistant plants and trees...”
Good Questions. So what do we do? Just write off the Valley?
The problem is huge. Someone should be looking at the problem and considering Inventive solutions.
If we focus too closely on this particular problem and Not try to look at the Whole system we may miss opportunities to solve this problem and others as well.
Is it really necessary for L.A. to use Potable water to flush their toilets? or Wash clothes or Dishes?
Could the Land be used to grow Salt Resistant trees that produce oil usable as Biodiesel?
“The Australians report the Beauty Leaf Tree fruits like macadamia and can be managed like the nut tree. The wild tree lives up to 200 years.
The wild tree grows well throughout coastal areas of tropical Australia on salty, drought-affected, acidic and waterlogged lands and is valued for medicinal properties in the oil, attractive flowers and wood quality.”
“Jatropha curcas, Barbados nut or Physic nut is a perennial poisonous shrub (normally up to 5 m high[1]) belonging to the Euphorbiaceae or spurge family. It is an uncultivated non-food wild-species.
The plant, originating in Central America [2], whereas it has been spread to other tropical and subtropical countries as well [3] and is mainly grown in Asia and in Africa, where it is known as Pourghère. It is used as a living fence to protect gardens and fields from animals. [4]
It is resistant to a high degree of aridity (it can be planted even in the desert [5][6][7]).
The seeds contain 27-40% oil [8] (average: 34.4% [9]) that can be processed to produce a high-quality biodiesel fuel, usable in a standard diesel engine.”
“Water is desalinated in order to be converted to fresh water suitable for human consumption or irrigation.”
“Most of the modern interest in desalination is focused on developing cost-effective ways of providing fresh water for human use in regions where the availability of fresh water is limited.”
“Large-scale desalination typically uses extremely large amounts of energy as well as specialized, expensive infrastructure, making it very costly compared to the use of fresh water from rivers or groundwater”
Just a few Ideas, not my own.
There may be other good Ideas. Please contribute.
Arnie should station the Cali guard armed with everything they got at the pump stations. Turn them on, let the water flow and tell the feds and enviros to go F off. Somebody, somewhere has got to take a stand against this type of insanity and the courts obviously are not going to do the right thing.
Thanks for the reply.
It’s a shame to let Once Productive Farmland sit Idle.
If no alternatives are found That may be what needs to happen.
How many years or Decades would it take to replenish the aquifer?
and thats only If the Pumping stops.
If it sits there too long, sooner or later, someone will pave it over.
Because desalinization is an energy hog, which makes it a win/lose proposition. They had to build one down at Yuma to desalt the water going to Mexico and it has almost never run — they did fire it up for tests last year and then shut it back down... when they can find a way to run these and have enough energy to run them maybe it will happen...this issue in CA is not due to the drought, it is due to environmentalists.
Energy... people do some research into these plants and you will learn why they are not using it.
Glenn Beck talked about this yesterday and it is all part of the plan coming out of the current czaradministration.... food prices are going to soar under Obama.
This land was alkli flats up to about 40 years ago when cheap water from the north state became available, then they had to flood the land to flush the salts from the soil so they could grow crops and in the process the drain water ran into a storage area called Kesterson. Only problem was the salts contained selenium which poisoned the ducks using he area. This happened because the enviros would not allow a drainage canal to the delta which would have diluted it and flushed it on the out going tides...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesterson_Reservoir
Ahhh, The old Unintended Consequences.
Death of the Ducks from Selenium?
Did the Enviros use these Dead ducks to argue against Lead shot?
Or does that sound too Suspicious of me?
There is a land boom in the coastal valleys that have farms with their own ON-SITE irrigation well. Once, again someone gets hurt and someone benefits.
I agree completely. The Rats offer scarcity and conservation. The Pubs could counter with a much better offer, build nuclear power plants and desalination plants. Plenty of water and electricity, i.e. cheap, and a cleaner environment.
“Is it really necessary for L.A. to use Potable water to flush their toilets? or Wash clothes or Dishes?”
There are wonderful toilets that use composting, no water, had one in my shop, but California won’t allow those so we could save some water. There’s no money in that for the enviro lawyers.
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They need to build more damns in the mountains.
They also need to lessen the amount of water flowing into the ocean.
I take your word for it.
Why doesn’t the GOP campaign on these things?
We’re going to need these projects soon and people are clamoring for water right now.
The (western) GOP needs to have a little forsight here. IMO
The GOP are spinless. They want to be liked so they pretend to br liberals. This is not working for them. Why vote for a pretend liberal when you can have a real.
If Sarah Palin gets elected, things will change for the betterment of this country.
She will do whats right instead of whats popular.
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