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Tintin 'to be sued' for Congo book
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 01 Sep 2009 | Henry Samuel

Posted on 09/02/2009 9:05:38 PM PDT by paudio

Bienvenu Mbutu Mondondo, 41, is taking legal action claiming Hergé's controversial Tintin In The Congo is propaganda for colonialism and amounts to "racism and xenophobia".

"Tintin's little (black) helper is seen as stupid and without qualities. It makes people think that blacks have not evolved," he said.

Mr Mbutu Mondondo launched a case in Belgium two years ago for symbolic damages of one euro from Tintin's Belgian publishers Moulinsart, and demanded the book be withdrawn from the market.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: africa; belgium; childrensliterature; comics; congo; france; lawsuit; pc; racism; tintin
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I don't know how many Freepers are familiar with Tintin, but this is another case of multiculturalism goes crazy. The comics were first published in the 1940s!
1 posted on 09/02/2009 9:05:38 PM PDT by paudio
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To: paudio

Next he’ll be filing suit against the Asterix books because they make Romans look like morons! Always gotta be something to litigate!


2 posted on 09/02/2009 9:12:10 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: paudio

This reminds me of some of those barf-worthy notices they’re attaching to old films these days explaining that there may be stereotypes in the film, but they were left in to reflect the times. Oh, keep your nose out of my old films!

Now they want to back censor?


3 posted on 09/02/2009 9:14:40 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black.)
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To: paudio

4 posted on 09/02/2009 9:14:58 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Tintinabulation.)
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To: paudio

Another rent-seeker. How original.


5 posted on 09/02/2009 9:16:30 PM PDT by freespirited (The only thing growing faster than the deficit is Chris Matthews' man crush on Obama -- Tim Pawlenty)
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Oh please! Colonialism was no worse, and arguably better, than the chaos and unrestrained violence they have there now.


6 posted on 09/02/2009 9:16:46 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1

Only “arguably”?


7 posted on 09/02/2009 9:18:50 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: paudio
I don't know how many Freepers are familiar with Tintin?

Thunderbirds are Go?

8 posted on 09/02/2009 9:20:40 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (War is fought by human beings. - Carl von Clausewitz in On War)
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To: paudio

Wait a minute.
“’...It makes people think that blacks have not evolved,’ he said.”

Evolved from what?! That’s quite a racist statement there.


9 posted on 09/02/2009 9:28:22 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black.)
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To: paudio
I for one am offended with Captain Haddock making all us drunks look like fools!


10 posted on 09/02/2009 9:33:45 PM PDT by stormer
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To: ReneeLynn

Take a trip to Africa. Cradle of mankind. But yet they all still live at the tribal level right down to politics. Nobody can get ahead of the chiefs,, not more friends, more money, more ideas/// cuzz if any man excells, the people are preconditioned to pull him down.

Show me one invention other than the mortar and pestle. Show me their humanity... Africans are the most racist going! Thats why the periodical genocides....


11 posted on 09/02/2009 9:34:15 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: Cincinna

Ping.


12 posted on 09/02/2009 9:37:20 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: paudio

Almost all Tintin books contain stereotypes of one form or another. I’m surprised the Arabs haven’t jumped all over this, too.

The Bordurians were made out to look like Soviet thugs, but you don’t hear them complaining! ;^)


13 posted on 09/02/2009 9:45:52 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: himno hero

That’s cultural, not evolutionary. If he’s said ‘black African culture has not evolved’ I would probably still have a problem with his complaining, but it wouldn’t sound so racist.


14 posted on 09/02/2009 9:46:34 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black.)
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To: paudio

“Tintin’s little (black) helper is seen as stupid and without qualities. It makes people think that blacks have not evolved,” he said.

no, I think people who just do nothing but sue all day give that impression.


15 posted on 09/02/2009 9:49:56 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: paudio

I grew up with Tintin books. Herge stereotyped everyone and he did it well. Chinese, Japanese, South Americans, North Americans, Middle Eastern, Muslums. I have every book and occasionally read one even now. Red Rackums Treasure is my favorite.


16 posted on 09/02/2009 9:50:01 PM PDT by super7man
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To: paudio
In 2007, British race watchdogs pulled the book from children's shelves and attacked the Tintin cartoons for making black Africans "look like monkeys and talk like imbeciles".

Boy, times have changed. The only people we can depict now as imbeciles are white men.

17 posted on 09/02/2009 9:58:44 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: himno hero
Have you been to Africa? I have, and while there are a lot of places where what you say is true, it isn't all like that. There are places of unimaginable beauty where happy, warm, and intelligent people live.


18 posted on 09/02/2009 10:01:11 PM PDT by stormer
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To: paudio
I guess Little Black Sambo would be totally out of the question. As I recall, he did get his clothes back from the tigers AND they all turned into butter(?), I think. Chasing around the tree, was it? Back areound '49 or '50, I think.

Whatever happened to Sambo's Pancake House?

Nam Vet

19 posted on 09/02/2009 10:09:21 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Obozo (the health expert) thinks innuendo is an Italian suppository.)
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To: stormer

The beauty of Africa is grandiose, and the potential excepting the upper third, is huge however it is quickly eroded by tribalism, corruption, uncle zoeee and his marriage to islam and their ability to relate to voodoo. Throughout africa the black heart and related corruption still prevails and their ability to get ahead is thereby limited.

The best thing that happened to them IS colonialism as bad an experience as it was. Look to Canada and Australia as examples of what colonialism can produce!


20 posted on 09/02/2009 10:09:46 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: himno hero
Africans are the most racist going!

I thought the Japanese held that title?

21 posted on 09/02/2009 10:45:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

When was he last time they had a genocide?


22 posted on 09/02/2009 10:48:10 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: himno hero
The biggest problem in Sub-Saharan Africa today is the almost complete breakdown of the family caused by resource extraction based colonial enterprises; it pulls men off of the farms and crams them into cities where all kinds of trouble can be found. In the meantime, the womenfolk back home are stuck doing all the work without any support from the local (often corrupt) patrons. And comparing Africa to Canada or Australia is foolish; for one thing barely anybody lived in those places when they were colonized, definitely not the case in Africa. The other thing people don't seem to grasp is Africa's shear size - it takes 10 hours to fly from the Mediterranean coast to the Cape - twice the flight time from Seattle to Honolulu.
23 posted on 09/02/2009 11:36:27 PM PDT by stormer
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To: himno hero

“When was he last time they had a genocide?”

Ask a Korean.


24 posted on 09/02/2009 11:37:22 PM PDT by stormer
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To: paudio

you’re right — it’s like attacking Shakespeare for the characterisation of the Jewish Shylock in the Merchant of Venice, or the various anti-Jewish, anti-Irish and anti-Italian stereotypes and cartoons that continued until the 1900s


25 posted on 09/02/2009 11:38:13 PM PDT by Cronos (Oh bummer -- screwing up America since Jan 2009 - and doing a damn fine job of it too!)
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To: super7man

HAve you been to the Tintin museum in Brussels? It’s a must-see for any Tintin fan, I loved the entrance with the big statues of Tintin, Haddock and the prof. dressed up like their mission to the Moon! Took loads of pictures.


26 posted on 09/02/2009 11:41:12 PM PDT by Cronos (Oh bummer -- screwing up America since Jan 2009 - and doing a damn fine job of it too!)
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To: himno hero; Jeff Chandler; stormer
Well, the rape of Nanking was definitely a genocide. And they have (or had) eliminated other races from their island, including the Caucasian Ainu and even Koreans (from whom the Japanese are descended)

sub-saharan Africa's problem is that it had iron or stone age cultures that got shocked by an industrial age culture (the Belgians, French, English etc) -- and decayed, just like we would if a culture 2000 years ahead of us came.

You can't compare Africa to Canada or Australia, that's a non-sequitor. you can compare Africa to all of Europe or all of the Americas -- north and south: it is a multitude of cultures, and a long history (written AND unwritten), quite unlike Canada (pre-history only dating back a few thousand years) or Australia (even with the Aborigines, that's still only 5000 years or so).

Furthermore, remember that most of whom we consider "AFricans" are the Bantu people who lived mostly in the jungles of West Africa until 500 odd years ago when they migrated south and pushed the Bushmen (San and Khoi-Khoi) out of their lands. The North Africans are of course Berbers, more related to Europeans or Middle-Easterners, while East AFricans like the Ethiopians are again closely tied to the Middle East and have THEIR culture dating back Millenia -- the Ethiopians were culturally not affected by Europeans since they were only one age behind (they hadn't entered the industrial age), but people like the Bantu (with the exception of the Senegalese or Gambians who had had a long and continued contact with Arabs and Berbers) were millenia behind. And the San are not even copper-age but are hunter-gatherers, they just probably saw everything as magic (I am being patronising, sorry for that)
27 posted on 09/02/2009 11:51:33 PM PDT by Cronos (Oh bummer -- screwing up America since Jan 2009 - and doing a damn fine job of it too!)
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To: paudio; nctexan; MassachusettsGOP; ronnie raygun; Minette; fieldmarshaldj; untenured; GOP_1900AD; ..

*** FRENCH POLITICS AND CULTURE PING LIST *** FREEPMAIL ME IF YOU WANT TO JOIN ***


Thanks for the post and thank to Armuy Air Corps for the Ping.


TINTIN has been a cultural icon in France and Belgium for more than half a century. Translated into every language, and one of the most popular cartoon characters in the world. Comic strips, or bandes dessinees are considered an art form for adults.


This is political correctness gone amuck. Leave the little explorer alone!



28 posted on 09/03/2009 12:55:25 AM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: paudio

“I don’t know how many Freepers are familiar with Tintin”

I saw my first Tintin book in a bookshop in Kathmandhu, Nepal. It was “Tintin in Tibet” and I loved the artwork.


29 posted on 09/03/2009 4:12:37 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Cincinna

Well, we certainly can’t have somebody getting their feelings hurt, now can we.


30 posted on 09/03/2009 4:16:32 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: pillut48

"He's repressin' me! He's repressin' me! Here you see the violence inherent in the system . .. "

31 posted on 09/03/2009 4:36:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: paudio
Classic comics.

Hey, Bienvenu Mbutu Mondondo: KMA



32 posted on 09/03/2009 4:40:51 AM PDT by Sparko (Obama & Czars: neutering the American Voter, perverting the Constitution, all on our dime.)
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To: Nam Vet
Sambo was an Indian. But of course they miss that.

And yes, Sambo did manage to escape the tigers with his clothes AND bring the butter back to his mama, so they all had pancakes.

Apropos of that, the Sambo book was reissued with charming illustrations of a ca. 1920 Indian family (complete with Mamaji running her sewing machine like a race car driver). I don't approve of the original reason the book was revised, but this is a good book in its own right.

And I'll read anything that Fred Marcellino illustrates.


33 posted on 09/03/2009 4:48:22 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Cronos
. . . the various anti-Jewish, anti-Irish and anti-Italian stereotypes and cartoons that continued until the 1900s . ..

My personal favorite. Nast was a genius, but he had a thing about the Irish.

34 posted on 09/03/2009 4:52:45 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Disambiguator

You should read Tintin goes to America...
All Americans are cowboys, gangsters, or top-hatted businessmen. And the things they wrote about Indians, er, “Native Americans...”


36 posted on 09/03/2009 6:05:36 AM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: Cronos

No, I have not been there, I am sure I would enjoy it. I will have to put it on my bucket list.


37 posted on 09/03/2009 6:07:18 AM PDT by super7man
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To: AnAmericanMother

My husband (from India) is the HUGH Asterix fan here...has been since he was a wee child, according to his parents. Every night before going to sleep he’ll read his comics over and over, and he actually guffaws out loud at them—in fact, when his parents hear him on the other side of the house, they comment, “He’s reading Asterix again!” :-)


38 posted on 09/03/2009 6:32:30 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: stormer

“The biggest problem in Sub-Saharan Africa today is the almost complete breakdown of the family caused by resource extraction based colonial enterprises; it pulls men off of the farms and crams them into cities where all kinds of trouble can be found. In the meantime, the womenfolk back home are stuck doing all the work without any support from the local (often corrupt) patrons. And comparing Africa to Canada or Australia is foolish; for one thing barely anybody lived in those places when they were colonized, definitely not the case in Africa. The other thing people don’t seem to grasp is Africa’s shear size - it takes 10 hours to fly from the Mediterranean coast to the Cape - twice the flight time from Seattle to Honolulu.”

Now the whiteman/ modern man is responsible for marital failure in Africa? Gimme a break. Back to the blame game.

A couple of things, 1) yes you are correct Africa is huge. I think it is roughly the size of North America, central America and a piece of South America.
2)Comparing Canada or Australia is foolish? Canada and Australia was/ and are about resource extraction and will continue to be.And there are loads of men employed in these industries without marital failure. Colonialism was largely about resources including Australia.
3) Africa? The influence of Islam has allowed many to have multiple wives. Chiefs and leaders have multiple wives all across Africa and thats the way it has been. Leaders there even had their “harems”. The bulk of the common men are like lost gophers and wanting to be like chiefs. Actually for the lack of proper belief structures like creatures of the field wandering through a meaningless unstructured life and will continue like that. They are high on excuses excepting Robert Mugabe. There is a man of action. South Africa is following their footsteps. Actually, Kenya too. All the places of the greatest potential are falling for their beliefs, corruption and lifestyle.

The corruption is easy to understand... everything is for the chief and no one can be more powerful than the feudal chiefs. Thats why the concepts of pull him down , and crabs in a bucket seek to explain what is really going on. All throughout africa, a man starts getting ahead and the societies pull him down, destroy his efforts, maybe his life or a family members. There no one can get ahead of the chiefs; chiefs by day and chiefs by night... uncle Zoie. They understand raiding, corruption and thievery. I think with the millions of years advantage they have over others that it is ingrained.

Kinda like you can take the boy off the farm but not the farm outa the boy.
Thats why we have it here in America, innocently imported by immigration in todays terms, (not so innocently by slavery importation). We the borders are opened up , yes the immigrants bring their behaviors with them from wherever they may come and corrupt what exists bringing their cultural values, crime and poverty.... and perceptions of societal structure. But with a few years they integrate fairly well.
Basically they are a backwards and corrupt people and will continue as that.


39 posted on 09/03/2009 6:42:33 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: Cronos
"...even Koreans (from whom the Japanese are descended)..."

LOL!, that will stir up the Japanese for a while.

40 posted on 09/03/2009 7:00:33 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Little Ray

We have that one (along with most of the rest of them).


41 posted on 09/03/2009 7:02:40 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Cronos; investigateworld
"Well, the rape of Nanking was definitely a genocide. And they have (or had) eliminated other races from their island, including the Caucasian Ainu and even Koreans (from whom the Japanese are descended)"

The Samurai And The Ainu

42 posted on 09/03/2009 7:19:08 AM PDT by blam
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To: paudio
This is not the first time I hear of ridiculous Congolese accusations.

Recently, Congo sued Norway for $500 billion US dollars!

http://stormen.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/congo-sues-norway-for-500-billion-dollars/

Last year, a certain Mr. Jean-Dadou Monya tried to get “Tintin in Congo” banned over here in Sweden. Hardly surprising, he wasn't successful and few people cared.

http://www.thelocal.se/8271/20070823/

In the 1940s and earlier, the attitudes most white people shared towards Africans often was condescending and full of prejudice, yes.

BUT; By banning books, films etc made in those days that bear testimony to this, we run the risk of this historic fact falling into oblivion.

Is that what we should strive for?

43 posted on 09/03/2009 7:41:10 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Cincinna
Hello again, Cincinna!

To me, the adventures of Tintin are a wonderful part of my childhood.

My father read the Tintin stories to me and my brother before we were able of reading them ourselves.

I would like to say Tintin and his friends have contributed to making me the man I am today.

For instance, Le capitaine Archibald Haddock is a great source of inspiration to me.

Seriously speaking.

I can think of more profane invectives than his “Freshwater pirates!” (don't recall what album this expression is from, I'll have to google a bit), but not of a more degrading one.

I'm not easily offended myself.

People can call me whatever they want as long as they don't compare me to complete losers like actual freshwater pirates:D

44 posted on 09/03/2009 8:56:19 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: paudio

The “journalist”, Henry Samuel, is informing us that “TinTin in the Congo” is “controversial”. This is, yet again, opinion disguised as reporting. I thought better of The Telegraph.


45 posted on 09/03/2009 9:04:33 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: himno hero
One of Africa's biggest problems is that people only believe what they want to and end up not knowing what they're talking about.

Africa has some serious problems, not the least of which is the commodization of everything. It's a mindset that places a value on money rather than skills and is a direct result of colonial policies. You don't get to blame Islam for everything.

46 posted on 09/03/2009 10:04:19 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer
One of Africa's biggest problems is that people only believe what they want to and end up not knowing what they're talking about.

I think you can substitute just about any noun for "Africa" in that sentence.

Coincidentally, I'm reading this book right now. Not a happy story.


47 posted on 09/03/2009 10:12:22 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I recommend you read about the author.


48 posted on 09/03/2009 10:13:13 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: blam

Very interesting link. A good chunk of my ancestry is “Native” American (personally, I like the Canadian phrase “First Nations” better) and I have long been fascinated by the possible links between First Nations peoples and Asian peoples.


49 posted on 09/03/2009 10:17:05 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: stormer

Sorry bud, when I have had to buy goats for sacrifices for voodoo... and islam is very much alive in the communities...

that comes straight from islamic tradition not african


50 posted on 09/03/2009 10:19:55 AM PDT by himno hero
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