Posted on 09/01/2009 9:14:22 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814
"And not just atheists," said Bill Donohue during an August 31st Fox News interview. "I’m talking about people who are disaffected Catholics and Protestants who are mutineers within their own religion, trying to change things." It wasn't just "militant, dogmatic" atheists and "disaffected" Christians that the Catholic League president complained about either. Donohue also had a few choice words for magicians Penn & Teller whose Showtime series, Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t!, just ran an episode on the history of the Catholic Church. "This was the most Nazi-like assault,” Donohue said. “The most unrelenting half an hour of bashing I’ve ever seen.”
Bill Donohue made his comments on the Fox Network show Fox & Friends. He appeared there in order to promote his new book, Secular Sabotage: How Liberals Are Destroying Religion and Culture in America.
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Bill leads a cloistered life.
Sounds more tame than where the Nazis started from.
Everyone knows what you get with Penn and Teller (bullsh#t). Poorly researched, personal opinion mixed in with folk lore, urban legend cr*p. I still find them mildy amusing at times!
Mel
They're hardly Nazis.
From what I’ve seen, Penn is quite tolerant of believers (much more than many militant atheists).
Must have lived a very sheltered life...
“I’m talking about people who are disaffected Catholics and Protestants who are mutineers within their own religion, trying to change things.”
Yeah, Catholics: Toe the line and shut up about the entrenched corruption and sexual misdeeds or you’ll be singled out like a Zerobama protester at a union rally.
Sheesh!
You’ve got to admit, to get those environmentalist whackos to sign the petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide was pure brilliance.
Other than the religious aspects, for the most part Penn and Teller are right on. And even on the religious aspects, they make a point. But that says more about those who use religion as a scam, than on those who truly do believe in God.
“From what I’ve seen, Penn is quite tolerant of believers...”
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Tolerant?
Well that’s big of him.
I wouldn’t want to inconvenience him or anything....
When will Penn & Teller release their hilarious expose of the history of Islam?
More so than some of the crevos here on FR of others and their beliefs.
“Tolerant?
Well that’s big of him.
I wouldn’t want to inconvenience him or anything....”
From what I’ve seen, it’s more than could be said about a number of the posters on this forum where atheists are involved.
Most atheists don’t really care what other people believe, we just don’t happen to share those beliefs, or be forced to participate in them - although most of us also don’t really care about references to God in national anthems and the like, either.
I do remember that - very funny. Penn and Teller just take the opposite view from those precious held ones and use that to make a show - I don’t begrudge them that - people should just realise that what they are watching is comedy or an attempt at it and should not take it too seriously. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
Mel
And they also really took the “truthers” to task as well.
A pattern I’ve noticed is that there are many Catholics who link their identity more to their church than to Christ. So Penn & Teller’s show on the Catholic Church is probably far more outrageous to the Catholic League than anything else they have ever said about worshiping God.
Penn & Teller ridicule Christ's crucifixion - Comedy duo presents skit where angel performs sex act on 'Jesus' (January 20, 2003 )
The magic-comedy team of Penn & Teller has performed a stunt parodying the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, offending some attendees of a major magicians' convention, reports columnist Norm Clarke of the Las Vegas Review.The skit, performed last week in Las Vegas, included Teller, dressed as Christ on a full-size cross, entering the room on a cart. According to the column, a midget dressed as an angel "performed a simulated sex act on the near-naked Teller." Penn, in a Roman gladiator costume, unveiled the scene by pulling away a "Shroud of Turin" that covered the cross.
His words were simple: We are not of the world, therefore the world will reject us.
Prayers for those who hear God's Word, but openly reject it.
Secular Humanists are Satanic? They don't even believe in Satan...
most of us also don’t really care about references to God in national anthems and the like, either.
The difference between atheists and believers is merely where those principles originated.
I’m still trying to figure out what episode he saw. They really haven’t hit on Christians directly since season 2, maybe season 3’s episode on seeing Jesus’ face in tortillas, but they’re wrapping up season 7, Bill’s way behind the curve on this one.
A pattern I’ve noticed is that there are many Catholics who link their identity more to their church than to Christ.
Psuedo-intellectualism such as Secular Humanism is on the list of false religious identities spread by Satan.
While not intrensically evil as Islam, it is still a LIE designed to distract people from pursuing God.
I didn’t say “neutral”, but fair enough. On the other hand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHS8adO3hM
I’m assuming he is referencing the season finale. It was really about the Vatican. Not really about the history of the Catholic Church. I didn’t read the article yet though.
The Roman church, not their local church.
How about Christ’s teachings? Read the bible and see what it actually says rather than letting a hierarchy of popes, cardinals, monsignors, priests tell you.
That gaggle of humans who comprise the Church today are simply doing their best to follow 2000-year old marching orders from Jesus. Moreover, Christ didn’t seem to intend Christianity to be a home-school experience. There are sacraments, and a community that are part of the plan.
The notion that religious officials are twisting the words in the bible to their own ends is an interesting one, but there is a mountain of scholarly work on the subjects dating back for ages. You can’t just throw that out there and expect anyone to be persuaded.
Then what you say makes no sense. It’s almost by definition impossible to be devoted to the Church and not to Christ.
But if they’re telling you you’re going to hell because you’re a Methodist, then they aren’t very good Catholics.
Ahh OK, couldn’t find any info on that ep on the Showtime site, Wiki to the rescue.
“Read the bible and see what it actually says rather than letting a hierarchy of popes, cardinals, monsignors, priests tell you.”
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Personally, I find a great deal of clarification, expansion and historical and sacramental context in what these devoted scholars have to say. They have helped me immensely on my journey.
Okay, you're excused. For what, I'm not sure...
Psuedo-intellectualism such as Secular Humanism is on the list of false religious identities spread by Satan.
Well, you're certainly free to believe that. It just seems a bit silly to describe someone as a devotee of something they don't even believe exists.
While not intrensically evil as Islam, it is still a LIE designed to distract people from pursuing God.
Can't people simply create philosophies such as Secular Humanism without a supernatural being whispering in their ear?
As I said “cloistered”.
While I agree with Point #1 — to quote from Spiderman (don’t know what Chapter or Verse, lol): “With great power comes great responsibility”
Most of my friends and family who are Roman Catholics have been told by their Priests and Church hierarchy that the Bible is a collection of stories and things like, “The Plagues in Exodus was just myth(!)” Two people as disparate in space and time as my mother in law, my wife’s best friend both have been taught this.
This confuses me greatly, because I know that is not official Catholic teaching. So how does this happen?
So I’m sorry — that’s just as wrong headed as the apostate Protestant churches and so shows that no human organization is without error. And now we start seeing splinter Charismatic Catholic Churches as well.
So no denomination is free of error, but if we have our Bibles to search the truth — we ourselves can spot heresy.
I am going to be as delicate as I can with as poor of a communication medium as the Internet allows :). So pardon me if it sounds strong, because it is not meant to be.
I know some Catholics who are ready to pounce on you if you dare to even question the Immaculate Conception of Mary as taught by the Church. If you mention the Pedophile “scandal” (which I do think is a big deal only because some were moving priests around) then the defense of the Church goes into full swing.
However, if in the same conversation a person dismisses the Bible as a bunch of stories, or that we do not even know if Christ walked the earth — this same group of Catholics will not even get involved in the discussion (and often, they will even tell you that they do not believe most of the Old Testament).
Now, most of the Catholics I know on FreeRepublic are NOT of that mold (though there are some that are) — but the ones I know in my life for the last 30 years DO fit that mold.
It’s sad because there’s so much that unites us as believers in Christ — but when I need them to jump to the defense of Christ or the Bible I rarely have them around.
However, they are usually staunch allies in the defense of life — both young, old, wanted, unwanted, sick or in great health. So, what are you going to do but love them? :-)
Satanic practices such as {snip] Secular Humanism are openly embraced.
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Shaking head.
You demonstrate that you have no idea what a Satanic practice is, nor what secular humanism is, when you make such a silly comparison as you have.
Amazing Fantasy #15, August 1962.
Yes, I am a comic book geek.
Don't kid yourself...
Secular Humanists don't believe in the supernatural by definition. Quoting the the Council for Secular Humanism:
Secular humanism is philosophically naturalistic. It holds that nature (the world of everyday physical experience) is all there is, and that reliable knowledge is best obtained when we query nature using the scientific method. Naturalism asserts that supernatural entities like God do not exist, and warns us that knowledge gained without appeal to the natural world and without impartial review by multiple observers is unreliable.
This would certainly rule out belief in Satan, wouldn't you agree?
Good day to you.
Satan’s greatest trick is making people believe that he does not exist.
If he does actually exist, that would be correct.
If he doesn't...not so much.
I repeat my question: Can't people simply create philosophies such as Secular Humanism without a supernatural being whispering in their ear?
I am not interested in discussing false religious beliefs and pseudo-intellectual ideologies with you if you are not interested in showing some sort of mutual respect.
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Shouldn’t that respect go both ways? You want respect for your views while you refer to mine as ‘satanic practices’, ‘pseudo-intellectual’, and ‘false religious beliefs’.
That's right. Your life is meaningless and totally without purpose, right?
Right.
That is why it's a worthless belief to anyone capable of rational thought.
The concept of having to answer to a higher source is what angers most Secular Humanists. Gee, just imagine what the Afterlife will be like when someone conducts an audit of all your past experiences no matter how trivial.
I also note that Secular Humanists are among the most arrogant people I have ever encountered.
Why are you asserting that they do believe in Satan?
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