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Elderly Couple Forced into State Custody (Yes FORCED)
myfox ^ | Aug 25 2009 | Becky Oliver

Posted on 08/31/2009 5:47:31 AM PDT by blueyon

Video at link DALLAS - They’re not criminals. They’ve broken no laws. But they’re being held against their will by the State of Texas. Why? It’s a tragic story about what can happen when you are alone in the world and lose control of your rights, your money, and your ability to complain.

Jean and Michael Kidd never imagined their retirement would play out like this. “I feel like I am not in America,” said Michael Kidd. “I can’t believe I have been hi-jacked off the street, virtually from the hospital, and imprisoned,” Kidd told FOX 4.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxdfw.com ...


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KEYWORDS: agenda; healthcare; obama; socialism
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My heart goes out to this couple. May they get help.

If this can happen in America without national health care imagine what will happen to people when we have national health care!

1 posted on 08/31/2009 5:47:32 AM PDT by blueyon
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To: blueyon

67 and 70??

I’ll bet I could still through a punch that would get somebody’s attention!


2 posted on 08/31/2009 5:52:36 AM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: blueyon

3 posted on 08/31/2009 5:53:00 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler
Errr..........,
4 posted on 08/31/2009 5:54:16 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: blueyon

Wow. They need help outside of what the state and court are “giving”.


5 posted on 08/31/2009 5:55:56 AM PDT by bvw
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To: blueyon
They’re not criminals. They’ve broken no laws. But they’re being held against their will by the State of Texas.

This is just Terry Schiavo, the sequel. She wasn't a criminal, and had broken no laws, but she was forced into a death more cruel than the worst criminal on death row can be given because she had become inconvenient to her so-called "husband", Michael.

I lived in FloriDUH at the time of Terry and I hate to see it being replayed here in Texas. Perhaps, if we raise enough h$ll with Gov. Goodhair and the Texas Legislature, WE can do what Foridians could not!!!

6 posted on 08/31/2009 5:56:52 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: blueyon

I live about an hour away. I wish there was something I could do to help. My parents are closer...

I’m sure this story hitting news will bring forward people willing to help, but if not, any ideas?


7 posted on 08/31/2009 5:57:10 AM PDT by RaiderRose (Wise men wonder while strong men die. --Breaking Benjamin)
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To: blueyon

Aaahhhh...you’ve just gotta love those state social workers.Goodness knows that Hussein does.


8 posted on 08/31/2009 5:57:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: blueyon
"We're from the government, and we're here to help you."

"We see you have some money there. Give it to us."

9 posted on 08/31/2009 5:58:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Leisler

Perfect!


10 posted on 08/31/2009 6:00:39 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: blueyon
“I feel like I am not in America,”

Millions of Americans feel the same way. This is no longer the land of the free.

Because of creeping socialism, there will never be peace on earth until man kind has lost everything. After that, every man will sit under and tend his own vine, and no politician will be able to take it from him ever again. Without the politicians, swords will be turned into plow shares, and man will learn to war no more.

11 posted on 08/31/2009 6:02:02 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: blueyon
So trouble didn't really start until the state refused an accounting?

Follow the money....

12 posted on 08/31/2009 6:02:30 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: blueyon

What is it with Texas? Are these the same people that grabbed all those kids from the Mormon compound, and kept them even after it was revealed that the original complaint was from a nutcase crank caller? God help this poor couple.


13 posted on 08/31/2009 6:03:02 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: blueyon

They might have been confused and in ill health when they went into custody, but their minds seem to have cleared up. However, there is now no way out of the “incompetency” rabbit hole until somebody else speaks up for them. Good on the TV station for getting this far. Wonder how many more are in such rabbit holes?


14 posted on 08/31/2009 6:07:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Every time you think you've seen the worst of Barack Obama, he amazes you again.)
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To: blueyon
The state tried to get a temporary restraining order to stop FOX 4 from reporting the Kidds’ story, saying the couple does not have the authority to consent to an interview and that our report will cause them irreparable harm.

'Scuse ME!!???? Since when, in America, home of the First Amendment, do people NOT have the right to consent to an interview???? This is sheer statism!!!

Judge Weldon Copeland ruled against the state.

Thank God, SOMEBODY has a lick od sense in this mess!!

He said he would welcome a neighbor or family member to serve as a guardian but no one has come forward. The state is the last resort.

The last sentence is the money-line. The state is ALWAYS the last resort and it sounds like another case of state "social workers" over reacting without knowing any of the facts. They do the same thing with children.

15 posted on 08/31/2009 6:08:12 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

At least they’re being FED.


16 posted on 08/31/2009 6:08:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Every time you think you've seen the worst of Barack Obama, he amazes you again.)
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To: blueyon

Bureaucracies can never love. They can only control.

Only people can care for people.

This is why historically “health care” was a function of the work of the body of Christ.

If folks want the state to replace God and His church, this horror story is what you’re going to get.

There are millions of lonely Americans right now who are finding out the hard way what the soulless state will do for them, and to them.


17 posted on 08/31/2009 6:08:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have freedom. You can have socialism. But you can't have both! www.AIPNEWS.com)
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To: ishabibble
"What is it with Texas?"

Liberals infest Austin like fleas.

18 posted on 08/31/2009 6:08:46 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: ishabibble

Hello ACLU? Something useful you could do for a change?


19 posted on 08/31/2009 6:09:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Every time you think you've seen the worst of Barack Obama, he amazes you again.)
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To: blueyon

Something is definitely not right here. These poor folks are being “jailed” for their own good and get to pay for it as well. Just wonderful. Older folks can look forward to more of this type of behavior under 0bamacare.


20 posted on 08/31/2009 6:10:39 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: blueyon

They seem rational to me, this is just typical government bureaucracy in action.


21 posted on 08/31/2009 6:13:50 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: G Larry
67 and 70?? I’ll bet I could still through a punch that would get somebody’s attention!

You bet your sweet bippy!

I'll be 66 next month and I can still "throw down" with the best of them, though not as well as I could when I was a young-un of 40 or so and thankfully, have not had any encounters in many a moon. lol

And if push came to shove and faced with a serious situation, I would let my 2 buds (Smith and Wesson) handle it for me!

What I don't understand is why they have not had a Guardian ad Litem appointed by the Court (much as they do with minors) whose responsibility and duties are to protect their clients even if that be fighting city hall???

Something smells here and it ain't purty!!!

22 posted on 08/31/2009 6:14:47 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: RaiderRose

Who is their State Representative and State Senator?

We need to find out and fill them in about this!


23 posted on 08/31/2009 6:14:50 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Enosh
Liberals infest Austin like fleas RATS.
24 posted on 08/31/2009 6:15:11 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Proud FR Mobster)
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To: blueyon

Something similar happened to a relative of mine years ago in TX, near Fredericksburg. Someone called Adult Protective Services on her because my elderly relative refused to sell them her riverfront property.

A caseworker had a criminal & his mother living in a car. She decided that an elderly woman (my relative) was incapable of being on her own.

She gave my relative a choice-take these people into your home to help you, or be sent to a nursing home. She intimidated my relative.

The criminal and his mother moved into my relative’s house. The criminal started forging checks on my relative’s account. He burned through the account, and then when he demanded more money and threatened to physically harm my relative, she had a heart attack and died.

My relative was very independent, a pioneer, and didn’t tell anyone what was going on. One of those, I can handle it all on my own types who won’t ask for help.

We first heard about it when a concerned person from the bank contacted one of our relatives in a nearby town because of all the account activity. Unfortunately, it was the same morning my relative died.

All of this happened in a space of about one month.

Having worked for the courts here, I can tell you that CPS and APS have some really lousy caseworkers. They want to bring cases to resolution, and will sometimes do things with the potential for the worst possible outcome to close those files.


25 posted on 08/31/2009 6:15:22 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: ishabibble
What is it with Texas? Are these the same people that grabbed all those kids from the Mormon compound, and kept them even after it was revealed that the original complaint was from a nutcase crank caller? God help this poor couple.

The state bureaucracies of Texas are perpetually infected with LBJ "great society" legacy liberals. Most re-generate from UT Austin to carry on the liberal family tradition of working for the state and making a living posing their will on the rest of Texans. It's an endless and vicious cycle- a poster example of what Obama land cradle to grave statism will look. like on a national scale.

26 posted on 08/31/2009 6:20:52 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Proud FR Mobster)
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To: RaiderRose
If we could find out who their state rep./state senator are, maybe they could do something. Is this in Collin county?

If so, their senator is Craig Estes and rep. is Jodie Laubenberg. Both are republicans.

27 posted on 08/31/2009 6:24:07 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: blueyon

I have contacted my Texas and Congress Critters on this. Hope they do something about this.


28 posted on 08/31/2009 6:28:57 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: smokingfrog

I have contacted John Cornyn, Ted Poe, John Culberson and Dan Patrick.


29 posted on 08/31/2009 6:30:43 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: smokingfrog

I am also contacting Gov Perry.


30 posted on 08/31/2009 6:31:42 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: blueyon

The story says they do not have family that is close, does that mean there is family. Where the hell are they.
Something is missing from the story.


31 posted on 08/31/2009 6:32:51 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: blueyon

Good Lord!..........$11,000 and the state just took it?...........


32 posted on 08/31/2009 6:38:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money...M. Thatcher)
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To: G Larry

70...it’s the new 90!..............


33 posted on 08/31/2009 6:40:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money...M. Thatcher)
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To: blueyon
They just need some 'end of life' counseling
34 posted on 08/31/2009 6:44:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!!!!)
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To: blueyon

http://www.co.collin.tx.us/district_courts/

I believe Collins County is were to start in defense of this couple as that is were the probate court was


35 posted on 08/31/2009 6:48:36 AM PDT by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
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To: blueyon

You will go for your 5 year counseling session at 80 years old —— you won’t come back.


36 posted on 08/31/2009 6:56:27 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamacare is "Shovel Ready".)
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To: freekitty
Dan Patrick.

The failed sportscaster and radio guy?

37 posted on 08/31/2009 6:57:26 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: blueyon

They both suffer from dementia and there are no surviving family members to help?


38 posted on 08/31/2009 6:59:56 AM PDT by Neets (Go Yankees!!!)
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To: blueyon

Welcome to the Obama future!


39 posted on 08/31/2009 7:06:38 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: humblegunner

Why would you say that?


40 posted on 08/31/2009 7:12:27 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
However, there is now no way out of the "incompetency" rabbit hole until somebody else speaks up for them. Good on the TV station for getting this far. Wonder how many more are in such rabbit holes?

Read the following article that mentions this couple. It's down right spooky what's happening in Texas.

Broadcast tells of probate court appointing questionable guardianships
August 26, 5:27 PM
Bell County Legal News Examiner

The actions of probate courts (or other courts handling probate matters) are becoming increasingly controversial due in part to guardianship actions which functionally transfer control of a person's life and property to a court-appointed administrator.

KDFW, FOX 4 in Dallas/Fort Worth, aired an important story about Jean and Michael Kidd of Richardson (TX) whose lives have been overtaken by a Collin County probate court.

Court-appointed guardianships are a growing trend.  According to The Texas Probate Web Site, guardianships are defined as: "a court-supervised administration for a minor or for an incapacitated person.  A person -- called the guardian -- is appointed by a court to care for the person and/or property of the minor or incapacitated person -- called the ward.  In some other states, guardianships are called conservatorships, but in Texas they are called guardianships."

The site provides these definitions of a "minor" and an "incapacitated person": "A minor is a person younger than 18 years who has never been married or who has not had his or her disabilities of minority removed by judicial action.  A minor is considered an incapacitated person.  An adult who, because of physical or mental condition, is substantially unable to provide food, clothing or shelter for himself or herself, to care for his or her own physical health, or to manage his or her own financial affairs is considered an incapacitated person.  The definition of incapacitated person also includes a person who must have a guardian appointed to receive funds due the person from any governmental source."

Two types of guardians/guardianships exist:  a guardian of the person and a guardian of the estate.  The guardian of the person takes care of a ward's physical well-being while care of a ward's property may be assigned to a guardian of the estate.  A ward may be assigned only one type of guardian, but in other cases, both types of guardians are assigned with sometimes the two guardianship roles being filled by one person.

Texas is currently experiencing rapid population growth.  With that, a recent five-part series addressed Is Texas' population growth a "stimulus" for estate looting, probate abuse?

Today's seniors with their accumulation of wealth are an especially attractive population segment, but probate exploitation and estate thefts increasingly impact Americans of all ages. These Involuntary Redistribution of Assets (IRA) actions use wills, trusts, guardianships and sometimes powers of attorney to loot assets of the dead, disabled or incapacitated.

With guardianships, a person loses control of their individual liberty as well as their property.  While guardianships are often associated with the elderly, the mentally or physically disabled or anyone incapacitated via illness or injury can also be subjected to this status.  Family members may serve as guardians, but a new industry has evolved and been in a growth mode as courts increasingly elect to use professional guardians.

The use of probate venues and legal instruments like wills, trusts or guardianships to confiscate or divert resources -  and with guardianships, also potentially deny individual freedom - is becoming more common.  Without direct involvement, few people realize how these things occur.  Despite being labeled "incapacitated" by a court, Jean and Michael Kidd appear to well understand that guardianships can functionally hijack people's lives.

In some cases, the targeted parties may need some type of assistance.  However, the intrusive approach along with the questionable denial of freedom and/or confiscation of assets increasingly used by many government entities should serve as a warning to all Americans who value personal freedom and property rights.

Forewarned is forearmed.

41 posted on 08/31/2009 7:14:29 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: freekitty

Because he’s a failed sportscaster and radio guy.


42 posted on 08/31/2009 7:16:58 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: blueyon
If a relative had been given power of attorney by them and had done this, they would of thrown them in jail.

There was a story just the other day on FR where that happened.

43 posted on 08/31/2009 7:25:28 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: G Larry

I thought TEXAS was a personal freedom state...?


44 posted on 08/31/2009 7:26:32 AM PDT by mono
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To: DumpsterDiver

I had an aunt with Alzheimer’s living in a distant state, who would fog in and fog out. The neighbor of the aunt, the family and I learned too late, was apparently emotionally abusing her to turn her against her family. She would only go clear in the presence of the neighbor, fogging out in presence of family.


45 posted on 08/31/2009 7:39:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Every time you think you've seen the worst of Barack Obama, he amazes you again.)
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To: humblegunner

You have an axe to grind but what?


46 posted on 08/31/2009 7:39:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Every time you think you've seen the worst of Barack Obama, he amazes you again.)
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To: mono

States can be full of paradox. “First in gay marriage” Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws in the country.


47 posted on 08/31/2009 7:41:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Every time you think you've seen the worst of Barack Obama, he amazes you again.)
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To: EternalVigilance
This is why historically "health care" was a function of the work of the body of Christ.

No, it's a function of the family - who in this care are nowhere in sight.

(Hmm, the state steps in where the family fails. Wonder if that's why the statists are constantly attacking the family?)
48 posted on 08/31/2009 7:45:19 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I question Patrick's motivation.

TV Sportscaster, radio host, politician..
What is the common theme?

"Look At MEEEE!!!!"

He's a self-aggrandizing attention whore.
Just my opinion.

49 posted on 08/31/2009 7:53:56 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: LearsFool
The family is the first expression of the body of Christ.

That's why the scripture teaches us to take care of our own. In fact, it says that we're worse than the heathens if we don't.

But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. (I Timothy 5:8)

50 posted on 08/31/2009 7:54:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have freedom. You can have socialism. But you can't have both! www.AIPNEWS.com)
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