Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 08/28/2009 5:00:06 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
The Environmental Protection Agency is expected in the next few weeks to declare that carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases are pollutants, a move that would require the federal government to regulate them -- even without legislation.
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I exhale only so plants can breathe.
If we can only tax it on a level never seen before we can exist in comfort for ever, but if we don't tax it the world as we know it will come to an end immediately via a few billion exhales and we all will die.
Actually, this is serious. Once this happens it will FORCE the US to enact crbon emmissions standards.
This move spelled the end of cigarettes BIGTIME!
I just died after reading your post and my family is suing you for damages. ; )
Don’t be like the EPA! Just say NO to recreational drugs!
Water vapor is the most significant “greenhouse gas.”
I suppose the EPA will declare H2O to be a dangerous pollutant.
They’ve become so PC as to become irrelevant. Idiots.
A joke.
A sick JOKE.
It will spell the end of one hell of a lot more than just cigarettes, freedom on a personal basis is being pushed into the crossfire.
Many don't see this, sadly enough.
Everyone use your other end instead. Kill two birds with one stone: it’s also a comment on this lunacy.
I’d say this is as big as Obamacare. If they do this, it will propel us into a Koyto Agreement type arrangement.
The carbon dioxide decision didn’t spell the end of cigarettes.
The EPA declaring second hand smoke caused the US to HAVE TO go after cigarette manufacturers.
It is the same thing here. If the EPA does this, the USA MUST take green measures. This has nothing to do with cigarettes.
Expected to? I thought they already did?
Next, Obama’s EPA will prohibit oxygen, since it contributes to CO2 production.
I hope they dont confiscate my Fire Extinguisher.
Or urinate. The EPA will mandate that we have to hold it in.
More people die every year from H2O inhalation than from all other pollutants combined. Children are the most likely to die from H20 inhalation. And H20 kills an estimated 9000 Americans every year.
What the hell happened to all my leftist tree hugger friends??
I can't live without CO2!!
The next President and the Congress at that time may have to clear out the EPA and start a new agency under NOAA or NASA. They may have lost too much credibility to recoup any Congressional support.
Well, just around the corner are some very severe winters. The CO2 alarmists will have to eat crow.
ABSTRACT:
"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.
Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.
If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."
http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods. Look carefully at this historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases -lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to increased warming, at least not when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -etl
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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?
Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.
In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).
The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System
Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.
Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).
Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change
ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm
Black Market time.
You think thats bad?
“Atmospheric Oxygen Levels Fall as Carbon Dioxide Rises
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loss since start of industrial revolution
O2 depletion from fossil-fuel burning through 2004: 35.2 Pmol
CO2 depletion from fossil-fuel burning through 2004: 26.3 Pmol
Estimated O2 content of preindustrial atmosphere: 37050 Pmol
1 Pmol = 10^15 mol
“So the total estimated industrial O2 depletion on Jan 1, 2005 would have been (35.3)/(37050)x100 = 0.095% of the preindustrial amount.”
“For the past 15 years, we have direct measurements of the decrease. But the observations before 1990 aren’t good enough to draw inferences. Hence the estimate based on industrial emissions is about the best we can come up with.”
Think about that. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution we have removed .095% of the oxygen in our atmosphere. True, that is only a tenth of one percent of the total supply, but oxygen makes up only 20% of the atmosphere. I looked up safety rules regarding oxygen concentrations and according to OSHA rules on atmospheres in closed environments, “if the oxygen level in such an environment falls below 19.5% it is oxygen deficient, putting occupants of the confined space at risk of losing consciousness and death.” What happens if the world’s atmospheric levels of oxygen fall to 19.5% or lower? Are we all going to have to carry little blue oxygen tanks with us to survive? Not a pleasant possibility.
Plants and certain bacteria take in carbon dioxide, combine it with water to form glucose and produce oxygen as a byproduct in the photosynthesis reaction. The current increase in carbon dioxide levels in our atmosphere indicates that this cycle is no longer in balance. It shows that we have reached the point where the biosphere of the planet can no longer process all of the carbon dioxide that we are producing.
When hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline are burned in air, gasoline (C8H18) and oxygen (O2) join in an explosive reaction. This reaction releases the energy which we use to propel our vehicles. The two main products of this chemical reaction are carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O). The chemical reaction for the combustion of gasoline (chemical name: isooctane) looks like this:
C8H18 + 12.5 O2 —> 8 CO2 + 9 H2O...”
Not going to be much green left if none of us exhale.
Who needs cap and trade? The EPA can do the dirty work and Obama and the Rats in Congress can pretend they had nothing to do with it.
Henchster has just declared the EPA an economic pollutant.
We’re going to have to shut them down permanently to save the planet.
Is this what the problem has been since the Dems have been in the majority?...Must be time to replace them with plants for all the pollution they spread...add some natural equine fertilizer and you’ll have a much greener congress..
This is beyond insane!
If policies like this continue, the EPA will join the ranks of the Federal government agencies that need to be shut down permanently.
The epa? Isn’t this the government agency that gave America the MTBE problem?
And the same agency that has for decades demand mercury be banned. And yet now the epa is praising a new light bulb containing meercury.
So now the new attack from this leftist aka progressive government agency.
Why is it everything leftist aka progressive treehuggers want is mandatory?
The leftist aka progressive treehuggers do not like gas guzzling autos. So they set out to ruin the auto industry.
There are no laws preventing leftist aka progressive treehuggers from starting a auto company and building the kind of autos they want. Oh that is right all leftist aka progressive treehuggers never want to use their own money. They want your money.
I say we tax the hell out of porn. Higher taxes on homosexual porn, they gotz more money then they need.
Al Gore- not too long ago advised people to start holdign hteir breath every so often to help ‘reduce greenhouse gasses’- he also advised against working out because people would breathe harder after excersise- These and other assinine suggestions (like Sherryl Crow’s ‘use only two squares of toilet paper’) are unfortunately the delusional edicts of self-loathing ‘do-gooders’ who aren’t happy unless they are makign everyone elses lives compeltely misreable trying to ‘fix a problem’ that we are NOT responsible for, nor can we do anyhtign about
How long before peopel tell this administration to ‘kiss my %$#’?
This is a huge governmental power grab if this goes forward as reported.
Go ahead and try to sue me, because I work for lawyers. ;-)
And traitors like Mary Bono Mack can use the EPA threat as an excuse to vote for the crap and trade bill.
Meanwhile, GE and wall street banks are smacking their lips thinking about crap and trade. If the EPA rams these onerous regulations, those greedy b*****ds will push Obama and congress to make them rich at the expense of the rest of us.
The people need to take this country back!
It’s past that point already. Back in the ‘90s I worked for a contractor that did helpdesk at the San Francisco Regional EPA offices. They were such a bunch of lefty loons then, I shudder to think what they are now...
I wish I still had the hardcopy of the memo I read once, but it was a gem. They’d decide they wanted to regulate some industry or other outside the scope of whatever law they were supposed to follow, so they’d find one small company in that industry and legalize it to death, til they finally either had to sign a consent decree or go out of business due to legal fees. Then EPA would take that decree to a federal judge and say, “See, THIS gives us jurisdiction over this industry, this here voluntary consent decree.” They are a bunch of vipers with their own armed “cops.” And they’re PROUD of it!
The people are starting to wake up. That won't fly because the EPA was created by Congress and Congress supposedly has oversight of it.
I heard dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous too.
Of course they'll just revise history and blame us for everything.
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