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Treatment Of Noncitizens In H.R. 3200 (The Official CRS Report That Rips Pro-Illegal Alien Obamacare
Congressional Research Service ^ | 8/25/09 | Alison Siskin & Erika K. Lunden

Posted on 08/27/2009 1:09:05 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

... In 2008 there were approximately 37.3 million foreign-born persons in the United States. The foreign-born population was comprised of approximately 15.1 million naturalized U.S. citizens and 22.1 million noncitizens.

H.R. 3200 includes an individual mandate to have health insurance with tax penalties for non-compliance. Individuals who do not maintain acceptable insurance coverage for themselves and their children would be required to pay an additional tax. Some individuals, including nonresident aliens, would be exempt from the individual mandate...

Under H.R. 3200 a "Health Insurance Exchange" would begin operation in 2013 and would offer plans alongside a public option. H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens participating in the Exchange - whether the noncitizens are legally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently...

Some have expressed concern that since H.R. 3200 does not contain a mechanism to verify immigration status, the prohibitions on noncitizens (e.g. nonimmigrants and unauthorized aliens) receiving the credits may not be enforced. Thus it appears absent of a provision in the bill specifying the verification procedure, that the Commissioner would be responsible for determining a mechanism to verify the eligibility of noncitizens for the credits.

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(Excerpt) Read more at ryanjames.us ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; barackobama; bhohealthcare; bhoillegals; corruption; democrats; healthcare; hr3200; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; illegals; obama; obamacare; socialism; socializedmedicine; taxes; townhall; townhalls
I listed the high points. I MAY have missed some important stuff, but what I have listed here is enough to make any American citizens' blood boil:

1.) If you are a US citizen and born in the US (or one who immigrated here legally), you HAVE to have acceptable health insurance or you will pay a fine.

2.) Illegal aliens are exempt from this fine and do not have to have "acceptable" health insurance.

3.) Illegal aliens, while exempt from the fine and exempt from having to carry acceptable health insurance, can, nonetheless, participate in a Health Insurance Exchange, whether they be here temporarily or permanently.

4.) Since there is no enforcement mechanism (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE)) within H.R. 3200 that would verify citizenship status, the Commissioner would determine the mechanism for verifying eligibility of illegal aliens in the Health Insurance Exchange to receive credits.

5.) There is no enforcement mechanism in HR 3200 to keep illegal aliens from receiving the credits. The Commissioner will decide the eligibility of illegal aliens to get these credits.

1 posted on 08/27/2009 1:09:06 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: All

What say you?


2 posted on 08/27/2009 1:09:39 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

It’s only a backstop.

Zer0 asserted three weeks ago while in Mexico that our 25 million++ peasant illegal aliens would get a “pathway to ciszenship” (aka Amnesty) beginning in 2010.

The legislation according to Zer0 is already in the works.

IMO the entire “health care reform” effort (top to bottom, 100 percent) is to make sure that American citizens pay the health care bills of the peasants, because they are a HUGE drain on state and federal social services, and someone’s got to pay their bills.

That “someone” would be us.


3 posted on 08/27/2009 1:19:20 PM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The McCain amendment?


4 posted on 08/27/2009 1:20:40 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What exactly is the “Congressional Research Service”?


5 posted on 08/27/2009 1:21:51 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: angkor
 
 
Good grief - by that logic they may as well introduce a bill to fully annex Mexico and be done with it. GEEZ!!!!
 
 

6 posted on 08/27/2009 1:23:32 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: angkor
IMO the entire “health care reform” effort (top to bottom, 100 percent) is to make sure that American citizens pay the health care bills of the peasants, because they are a HUGE drain on state and federal social services, and someone’s got to pay their bills.

It WILL be us paying for them. He's protecting all of them - as they are just like him. If not, he'd have shown his birth certificate, school records, and/or visa to prove he's a natural born citizen. Instead he's spent almost a million keeping it under wraps, hidden from all at whatever cost it will take to keep it secret.

7 posted on 08/27/2009 1:23:46 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

bump


8 posted on 08/27/2009 1:24:42 PM PDT by gibsosa
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To: lapsus calami
Actually I have been expecting an annexation proposal for Mexico since the W amnesty flap over tow years ago. i am sure it is in someones long term game plan.
9 posted on 08/27/2009 1:30:26 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: angkor; Dr. Ursus; lapsus calami; gibsosa; mad_as_he$$

BTW, based upon this report, those Health Insurance Exchange credits that illegals aliens would be eligible for would be based upon income and would be subsidized.

IOW, all of the low-income illegal alien would get their health care paid for by tax-paying US citizens.


10 posted on 08/27/2009 1:34:16 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

obamathefalsemessiah is on vacation nothing to see here move along.


11 posted on 08/27/2009 1:39:27 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
 
 
That's flat-out robbery. And think of all the fraud that would go down - if there's an opening, there'll be a scheme. A pack of utter America-hating lunatics wrote that bill.
 
 

12 posted on 08/27/2009 1:41:21 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
What exactly is the “Congressional Research Service”?

Congressional Research Service

The Congressional Research Service (CRS), known as "Congress's think tank",[1] is the public policy research arm of the United States Congress. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS works exclusively and directly for Members of Congress, their Committees and staff on a confidential, nonpartisan basis.

13 posted on 08/27/2009 1:42:50 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Its not about health care or insurance...ITS ABOUT GOVERNMENT POWER OVER YOU!


14 posted on 08/27/2009 1:48:31 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

House Bill 676 is a bill that as an amendment to House Bill 3200 will make health care single payer and lots of taxes, not to mention it will cover illegal aliens.
It is called : United States National Health Care Act or the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act (Introduced in House) [H.R.676.IH]
Here is the link:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.676.IH:

The bill - the Wainer amendment-will replace division A of House Bill 3200

It will make it a single payer plan, publicly financed privately delivered public health system delivered to all residents - every person in US and territory will receive a Health Insurance card and ID number.
How to pay for it:
modest payroll 3.3% and employers 3.3%
5% tax on top 5%
small tax on bond & stock transfers
Closing tax loopholes and repealing the Bush tax rules

The details above may have been paraphrased, so you will want to research this.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.676.IH:


15 posted on 08/27/2009 1:50:14 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Who needs the CRS? What do they know about the intricacies of legislation anyway? We've got the completely unbiased Annenberg funded FactCheck.org to set us straight.

_____________________________________________________

False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

"Misleading GOP Health Care Claims" July 23

16 posted on 08/27/2009 1:50:31 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch
Gee, in a lot of places it is ILLEGAL to inquire after someones immigration status.

Makes it kinda hard to enforce this section, eh?

17 posted on 08/27/2009 1:55:16 PM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: lapsus calami

>>>> Good grief - by that logic they may as well introduce a bill to fully annex Mexico and be done with it. GEEZ!!!! <<<<

Perhaps you are not aware that the alleged “46 million uninsured” is about 1/2 peasant illegal aliens from Mexico and Mesoamerica.


18 posted on 08/27/2009 2:12:51 PM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: Plutarch
Nope. Factcheck.org is a pro-Obama outfit.

Under Treatment of Non-citizens in HR 3200, credits to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange would be subsidized (taxpayer-funded).

Problem is, is that without any enforcement mechanism within HR 3200 (and there is no enforcement mechanism to verify citizenship status) illegal aliens can get these credits to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange.

And HR 3200 says that there are no restrictions on illegal aliens participating in the Health Insurance Exchange.

Anyone with half a working brain knows why Democrats have fought tooth and nail to make sure that there is no enforcement mechanism like SAVE within HR 3200.

That is why they defeated Heller's amendment in the House Ways and Means Committee on a party line, 26-15 vote, and why they defeated another similar amendment in the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

19 posted on 08/27/2009 2:14:43 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: angkor
 
 
Oh, I have been aware of that bit of insanity for some time. I just came here to vent (#$%&!!!). It's annoying and evil as hell that the MSM is giving cover to this travesty.
 
 

20 posted on 08/27/2009 2:18:57 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All
What a deal!

In HR 3200:

1.) There is no enforcement mechanism to verify who is and isn't an illegal alien.

SAVE and IEVS are already used by the federal government to verify citizenship status and income eligibility for federal programs. Dean Heller (R-NV) wanted those in his amendment. Democrats defeated Heller's amendment in the House Ways & Means Committee on a party line, 26-15 vote. Democrats also defeated a similar amendment to verify citizenship status in the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

2.) If illegals don't want health insurance they aren't required to get “acceptable” health insurance, but US citizens are. They won't pay a fine, but US citizens will.

3.) Taxpayer funded, income-based credits for poor people to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange will end up in the hands of illegals because there is no mechanism (like SAVE) within HR 3200 to verify citizenship status.

21 posted on 08/27/2009 2:28:17 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: St. Louis Conservative; Laissez-faire capitalist

CRS Reports are not normally made available to the public, and the timely distribution of this one shows that someone on Capitol Hill wants it to be known in the public domain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Research_Service


22 posted on 08/27/2009 2:39:32 PM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: angkor
Agreed.

Siskin and Lunder of CRS may have written this summation concerning the Treatment of Noncitizens in HR 3200, but I doubt it was they who released it.

I can't see any reason why the Dems would want this released, given that this report itself says that there is (in Siskin and Lunder’s eyes) apparently no mechanism within HR 3200 (and there isn't) to verify citizenship status of those who wish to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange with taxpayer subsidized credits being issued to them.

No verification mechanism - no way to know who is and isn't an illegal alien.

And with a Commissioner deciding what verification mechanism there will or won't be, that is quite a loophole for illegals to get taxpayer funded federal health care benefits (subsidized credits) in the Health Insurance Exchange.

In the end, illegal aliens don't have to participate in anything, and won't pay a fine (tax) for not having health insurance, but US citizens will pay a fine for not have health insurance.

Democrat jerks.

23 posted on 08/27/2009 3:13:44 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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Didn’t Obama say that “Nobody has talked about giving health insurance to illegal immigrants”?

This report makes a liar out of Obama.


24 posted on 08/27/2009 3:16:47 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Dr. Ursus; All

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