Here are the pragmatists caves .....
Kingdom Center ..Riyadh
Burj Dubai.....it is the tallest Building in the world.
You need to get out more. Your knowledge base is lacking
Posted on 08/26/2009 8:53:53 AM PDT by VRWCTexan
Syrian President Bashar Assad's..visit was officially described as a goodwill trip to congratulate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for his re-election as Iran's president. But what came out following Assad's meeting with Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, was an idea for an unofficial quadripartite alliance between Syria and Iran, with Turkey and Iraq....Turkey has begun to accept the possibility that its European dreams are unlikely to materialize...
Obama...appears determined to announce his Middle East peace plan next month in New York in the presence of both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the chairman of the Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas
(Excerpt) Read more at winnipegfreepress.com ...
Such weakness is unconscionable.
How could they omit Russia?
The World Wide Caliphate begins to take shape
No, the 'ten horns' which represent the ten nations which make up the fourth and final Persian empire are begining to form.
There will never be a world caliphate. In fact, Islam as we know it today will cease to exist as well, and become something a bit different according to bible prophecy.
Instead, we will see the rebel, the anti christ take that throne.
It sure fulfills prophecy though.
Straight out of a Joel Rosenberg novel.
Obama...appears determined to announce his Middle East peace plan next month in New York in the presence of both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the chairman of the Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas
I guess we should send BiBi an leather strip to put between his teeth for this meeting - it gonna be torturous - all muslims and muslim sympathizers against one Israli.
Never forget the Role that Russia and China would play in this alliance. And how the Islamic and Latin American states will be used as cannon fodder by the Soviets and Chicoms against us and Israel.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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Libya is left out? That's not fair, they've got terrorists too.
Some of us have said for quite a number of years that Turkey would end up in that alliance.
It’s clear in Scriptural prophecies about the END TIMES.
HINT.
WAKE UP FOLKS.
PRETERISTS, A-MILS, POST-MILS, RUN OF THE MILS, REPLACEMENTARIANS, et al
are horrifically and cluelessly WRONG.
...what came out following Assad's meeting with Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, was an idea for an unofficial quadripartite alliance between Syria and Iran, with Turkey and Iraq...Luckily, the Obama administration will insure through diplomatic measures that Iran will never possess nuclear weapons.
Agreed - I to have watched for years with interest as Turkey slips into an her last days prophetic role
YUP.
THX THX
Your off base. The author sees facts then jumps off a cliff.
The Kurds are a problem and a threat to stability. It is right and proper for the 4 nations to meet to look at possible resolution of the Kurdish nationalistic movement.
This is not an Islamic thing as much as a political thing.
It is a good thing.
drivel....
drivel
When some folks claim
“drivel”
wise folks know they’ve struck the truth square on the head.
Thanks much.
Confirmation is always sweet.
claiming to be wise is unwise
Good luck with that. You are dreaming "progressive" dreams. Resident Obama's task is to help establish the new caliphate. Have fun helping him.
This from India from those who know is quite accurate:
The new Islamic empire from Turkey to Pakistan - the two countries agree to work together
Preetam Sohani Jun. 4, 2005
It stretches from Turkey to Pakistan, then Bangladesh to Indonesia. It threatens Israel, India, Russia, and China. It challenges the geopolitical influence of United States. It is expanding with accelerating pace. It is something that the world will struggle to contain.
Europe is threatened by the Islamic expansion. Israel is facing massive challenge. The Islamic Jihadists are expanding in Africa rapidly. In India 6000 Islamic Jihadists are entering every day as illegal immigrants from Bangladesh. Islamic population is growing at double the rate in India than that of Hindus.
The Central Asia is primarily Islamic and the Islamic Jihadists are challenging Russia and China. In Southern Thailand, Islamic Jihadists are expanding fast. Philippines is also experiencing Islamic expansion. If for some reason, the Jihadists succeed in Thailand, they will try to influence the whole South East Asia.
In India, Assam, Meghalaya, Tripura are infested with Islamic Jihadists who come from Bangladesh as illegal immigrants and are supported by Pakistan’s ISI.
The overall picture is serious. India’s threat is greatest after that of Israel. Russians and Chinese have to worry too. The Islamic Jihadists are planning to instigate small Islamic communities into independence like in Kashmir, Chechen and so on. The purpose is to expand the Islamic empire.
Interestingly Iraq and Pakistan two opposite ends of the current stretch of Islamic empire agreed to June 1 to cooperate in geopolitical, military and economic fields. Ankara and Islamabad are not only dissatisfied with their relationships with the United States but also are concerned about the limitations in relationships with their secondary allies. They therefore are trying to forge a bilateral alliance with the possibility of developing a multilateral forum with the central Asian states.
Source: India Daily
Fanatics dream of a caliphate.
Realists seek pragmatic solutions to the Kurdish problem. Strangely believe it, there are some pragmatists in all four countries.
As is too much assuming about that.
If fanatics simply drempt, it wouldn’t be so much of a worldwide problem,would it?
Seems to be no shortage of “fanatics” coming out of islam. If, indeed, there are any “pragmatists” in any of their populations anywhere they are, they are hiding in caves somewhere because the “dreamers” are a nightmare that will get them dead.
It seems you have no use for prophecy. That is well and good if that is what floats your boat, but it is remarkably coincidental then, that all the things foretold are happening literally. Every single one of them.
As for the Kurds, the “benevolent” countries which house them also wish their genocide. I hope the Kurds do get themselves together and kick their quadrifate asses.
The “prophecy” you call drivel predicts a surprise ally from the north when it seems as if Israel is about to fall.
**The Kurds are the Medes, the original Aryans.
The Medes: Josephus relates the Medes (OT Heb. Madai) to the biblical character, Madai, son of Japheth. “Now as to Javan and Madai, the sons of Japhet; from Madai came the Madeans, who are called Medes, by the Greeks” Antiquities of the Jews, I:6.
According to the Book of Jubilees (10:35-36), Madai had married a daughter of Shem, and preferred to live among Shem’s descendants, rather than dwell in Japheth’s allotted inheritance beyond the Black Sea; so he begged his brothers-in-law, Elam, Asshur and Arphaxad, until he finally received from them the land that was named after him, Media. **The Kurds still maintain traditions of descent from Madai.**
Shem=good guys
Ham=bad guys
Gog and Magog
Right where it’s supposed to happen.
Here are the pragmatists caves .....
Kingdom Center ..Riyadh
Burj Dubai.....it is the tallest Building in the world.
You need to get out more. Your knowledge base is lacking
So now you’re gonna tell me that Riyadh is somewhere in Iran and Dubai left earth and fell down on Syria?
Are you saying that extreme wealth is the same as pragmatism and that the westerners are suddenly able to practice freedom of religion, Saudis can convert without fear of death, women can leave home without big brother or daddy or hubby, and oppressive shariah is no longer the law in Saudi Arabia?
Are you saying that because there are tall buildings in wealthy countries NOT Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Iraq, that Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Iraq will no longer want to ethnically cleanse the Kurds?
I don’t get your point. Did you have one?
EXCELLENT POINTS.
This is particularly pregnant with heavy duty meaning:
but it is remarkably coincidental then, that all the things foretold are happening literally. Every single one of them.
THX TONS.
INDEED.
They will all be toppled.
And you will remember this thread at that time.
I think this is more the Gog and Magog alliance setting up (Ezekiel 38) After that some (hopefully not us) will see the rise of the AC and the one world government. I hope to be raptured and sitting at the feet of Christ before that!
That is because Joel Rosenberg novels are taken straight out of the Bible!
A point?
Naw.
Such ‘pseudo-super rationalist’ perspectives are not particularly given to offering meaningful points . . .
Just irrational, ignorant, smug, haughty blather.
INDEED. Straight out of Bible Prophecy and extensive well connected research on the street, in the field.
INDEED. Straight out of Bible Prophecy and extensive well connected research on the street, in the field.
Realists seek pragmatic solutions to the Kurdish problem.
I know some realists who looked for solutions to the “Jewish Problem”. They lived in Germany and were called national socialists.They started just like Obama is doiing now, looking for “historic justice” in a new Utopia imposed by tyrrany.Its actually histrionic justice.You even use the same language the nazis did:”solution”, and “pragmatic”.But you don’t even know it.LOL.
And I assure you that this new caliphate will plan a very similar pragmatic solution.
You progressives are all the same. Blind to the lessons of history.Go take a bath with John McCain, and a pox on you all.
Where's that?
;-)
blah blah blah yada yada ignorance yada
Take a close look at what you are supporting my"FRiend."
You are attempting to extrapolate in a straight line when the equation has quadratic factors. Your photos are a joke in this argument because Saddam is dead.
You in your infinite anti Arab super bigot mode can not tolerate any thing that doesn’t fit your template. There are 4 nations that all have a problem with a militant minority that could trigger an unwanted war.
It is not unreasonable for me to believe that our state department working with Iraq and Turkey urged the meetings to see if there is any common ground on which to go forward.
The war is already triggered. Turkey has already sent its forces intio Nortern Iraq.
These 4 nations KNOW that Obama will not interfere and that the resources of the US military are now finite ( budget constraints and anti war president. America was the Kurds only hope.
And you will watch as Kurds are slaughtered in the 10s of thousands, because they will fight, as they should.
Final Solution eh? You are worse than a liberal. Bill Clinton stood by and watched as thousands were gassed, he thought as you do, ( Lets Talk, lets have a summit, buahahahahah!)
You are a closet liberal on this issue.
The USA should be arming the Kurds to the teeth, and the Iraq government should be funnelling that aid to them. The Kurds are like Texans, arm them and they will forever be a part of Iraq, keeping the security of Iraq's North.
Here is another literal fulfillment:
When Netanyahu appears at the UN, literally every “nation” on earth will be surrounding and against Israel and for the FIRST time, the USA will be standing with Israel’s enemies. (Bible.)
Israel stands alone in front of the “Eighth, and FINAL World Power,” (Nostradamus,) the United Nations.
There is also the prophecy that before the antichrist, there would be one who was thought to be the antichrist, but in reality was only paving the way for the true antichrist. So we had Bill Clinton who literally paved the way for, and put in place the entire infrastructure of the obama administration.
The bam was elected by promising world peace, hope, and change with corrupt and evil machinations and capitulations to his onslaught. He advertised himself as the new messiah. His cult followers follow blindly. He has caused so much world ruin already one would think the world would recognize him as evil, but they don’t.
He has now slapped two more of our best allies in the face, Poland and the Czech Republic while reaching out to, and supporting, the most vile and repressive regimes on earth. He is anti-GOD, anti-freedom, and anti-life. He has taken power unto himself that no man has ever achieved before by holding the reins of the world’s only true superpower.
He comes from the east wearing a “holy” title of Hussein.
And on and on.
Hmmmmmm
Plenty true in your assertions.
You could be right about OThuga. I still think he’s a forerunner.
If he . . . and comes back to life . . . I’ll certainly have to re-evaluate.
Netanyahu has been given the plans in Germany for Hitler’s final solution to the “Jewish Problem.” Yesterday or today, he visits the site of the Wannsee Conference where the “Final Solution” was planned. Soon after that, he comes to stand before the world where the president of the Unites States of America will offer up yet another “final solution” to the Jewish Problem.
Every scenario throughout time that scholars pointed to as the fulfillment of Hebrew Prophecy has always had some, or many, of the exact details missing.
In reality, the prophecies of Ezekiel and Isaiah have NEVER been fulfilled. I am a student of Biblical Prophecy. THIS goes far beyond ANYTHING that has ever happened in history before.
For LITERAL purposes, let me state for the record, that it does not matter what came before this. The anitchrist is PRE-MESSIAH for Christians and Hebrews alike. It doesn’t matter if you believe a messiah has already been here or has not yet come because the prophecy is for NOW.
Leaving religion aside and reading the Bible as HISTORY, even the most hardened skeptic cannot help but see that the Old Testament Bible has been proven to be profoundly accurate in historical terms. Archaeology and technology have borne out many facts that so called experts agreed were not probable. As it turns out, some of their most “far fetched” improbabilities turned out to be historically accurate to a fault.
No one, no scholar, no expert, no matter how hard they tried could ever connect all the dots in Bible Prophecy because the Bible never mentioned the New World by name and the final fulfillment of the prophecy never happened. EVER.
They assumed the prophecies only included the world as it was known during biblical times and speculated on what their words actually meant. That simply does not fly in the reality of what the prophecy actually states. It doesn’t limit itself to the “known” world of the time.
The prophecies are LITERAL. They cite places, rivers, islands, and nations named and unnamed, including nations across oceans, and situations that they had no knowledge of because they could ONLY exist now, in their far, far future. Some rivers named don’t exist on the surface anymore so “experts” widely “assumed that their “nonexistence” now meant that prophecies had already been fulfilled in the ancient past. NOW technology has shown us that these rivers still exist deep underground yet the “experts” have never said they might be wrong.
IT DOES say the ENTIRE world, including unnamed strange places, not just the world as they knew it. It reaches much further into the future than arrogant “scholars” ever gave them credit for. After all, THEY were primitive and not as “smart” as we are today. The “experts” are/were wrong.
Turkey moving into the literal endtimes prophecy, obama’s sudden rise to power, is truly fearsome and it is with awe that I watch each literal prediction move into place without exception including the recent total solar eclipse. A total solar eclipse will not occur again for nearly two hundred years. The next total eclipse of the Moon will occur on December 21, 2010 turning the moon to “blood.”
The Bible itself explains how you know when a prophecy is true. It HAPPENS. I am watching it happen LITERALLY and in ways too confounding for an ancient prophet to have been able to extrapolate everything it contained in finite detail. The prophets did not know. They were told what to say and they said it.
“Son of Man, go before the people and say unto them...”
It is Bill Clinton who is coming back to life after being “mortally wounded.” His sudden rise in the polls and his growing popularity after “political death” where the official “end” of the clinton era was proclaimed far and wide, AND a life threatening heart attack is frightening. Undergoing open heart surgery is one of those things where technically you ARE dead but for machines maintaining vital functions. Everything that obama is doing is what clinton began and would have finished when he was in office but it wasn’t time. There is nothing stopping him now.
Remember he is out of Arkansas, but NOW resides in the east. Prophecy is what it is. It is what happens NOW that is paramount.
THANKS.
Lots of true facts in your narrative.
White space between them would have made for easier reading, however.
I forget what it is about the eclipses that’s unique . . .
there are full eclipses somewhere on the planet somewhat frequently, IIRC.
What do you think the prophecy might be? I would be interested in knowing what you think in a short summary , minus the quotations from the Old Testament.( It jsut makes easier readinng)
I also know that the Old Testament is not the ONLY prophesy
lineage. The Maya had their calender, and the Tibetans have their legend of Shambhala which prophesies a coming cosmic upset for the world, as well as Nostradamus does also. So in some ways , the Old testament is corroborated from other separate lineages altogether.This is truly what makes it very interesting as a topic of discussion.
What you say about time is very apt. Time in the realm of prophesy is always relative to NOW, the present moment. I believe that prophesy comes from a realm where time as we know it does not exist, in the realm of eternal “now’ which in the Christian tradition is known as heaven.In the Buddhist traditions it is known as the Sambhogakaya realm.
Eternal realms have no time progression whatsoever.And if one does not understand this fact intrinsically,experientially, it is not possible to connect with the energy of blessing those realms represent through either prayer or meditation.Knowing that is what makes your writing accurate and deserving of attention and discussion.
Thanks for your post.
I’m skeptical that either Billdo Klintoon or OThuga are the AC.
I believe that The AC will step overtly on the world stage with a lily white reputation etc.
I believe he will be accepted as the Messiah by the Jews.
I don’t have the time right now to do this justice. I will answer you some time this weekend for sure because it is one of the most interesting subjects I have ever encountered. Trying to keep it short might present a problem though. There is so much involved with the different concordances. I was going to add the Mayans and Nostradamus to the previous post because their predictions, especially the endtimes predictions, match up almost totally with OT and Kabbalistic writings.
Even Norse Mythology has hints of these things. Native American beliefs and familial systems/traditions/customs are almost exactly the same as the Hebrew OT. So similar, in fact, that it is mind boggling.
The Eastern religions/philosophies have always been about the inner soul not the outer world.
The Aborigines’ Circle of Life is profound in its simplicity.
In one way or another, every religion/philosophy has its convergence. Point to ponder, ONLY islam claims they will dominate and that all of humanity will be subservient to them.
Not all of them. GRIN.
I look forward to any thing else you have to offer on the subject.I know that you know what you're talking about.
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