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Journalists, Left Out of The Debate - Few Americans Seem to Hear Health Care Facts
Washington Post ^ | August 24, 2009 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 08/24/2009 7:58:29 AM PDT by La Lydia

For once, mainstream journalists did not retreat to the studied neutrality of quoting dueling antagonists.They tried to perform last rites on the ludicrous claim about President Obama's death panels, telling Sarah Palin, in effect, you've got to quit making things up. But it didn't matter. The story refused to die.

The crackling, often angry debate over health-care reform has severely tested the media's ability to untangle a story of immense complexity...even when they report the facts, they have had trouble influencing public opinion.

In the 10 days after Palin warned on Facebook of an America "in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel,' " The Washington Post mentioned the phrase 18 times, the New York Times 16 times, and network and cable news at least 154 times...

While there is legitimate debate about the legislation's funding for voluntary end-of-life counseling sessions, the former Alaska governor's claim that government panels would make euthanasia decisions was clearly debunked...

Ultimately, the media consensus was that Palin had attempted "to leap across a logical canyon,"... But the "death" debate was sucking up much of the political oxygen. President Obama kept denying that he was for "pulling the plug on Grandma." On Aug. 13, the Senate Finance Committee pulled the plug on the provision...

Perhaps journalists are no more trusted than politicians these days, or many folks never saw the knockdown stories. But this was a stunning illustration of the traditional media's impotence.

The eruption of anger at town-hall meetings on health care, while real and palpable, became an endless loop on television. The louder the voices, the fiercer the confrontation, the more it became video wallpaper, obscuring the substantive arguments in favor of what producers love most: conflict....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: healthcare; kurtz; media; obama; obamacare; palin
Heh heh.
1 posted on 08/24/2009 7:58:29 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

“Journalists, Left Out of The Debate - Few Americans Seem to Hear Health Care Facts”

That is because we do not believe anything you political hacks, poorly disguised as reporters, have to say.


2 posted on 08/24/2009 8:00:47 AM PDT by Grunthor
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To: La Lydia
For once, mainstream journalists did not retreat to the studied neutrality of quoting dueling antagonists.They tried to perform last rites on the ludicrous claim about President Obama's death panels, telling Sarah Palin, in effect, you've got to quit making things up.

Yeah. Sure. For once, mainstream journalists decided not to be scrupulously unbiased and objective and just decided to push the Leftist agenda instead. Huh. First time for everything I guess. Whatever.

3 posted on 08/24/2009 8:01:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: La Lydia

“But the “death” debate was sucking up much of the political oxygen. President Obama kept denying that he was for “pulling the plug on Grandma.”

This was smart by Sarah....she made him deny it.


4 posted on 08/24/2009 8:01:55 AM PDT by Grunthor
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To: La Lydia

Why can’t the press understand that the “death panel” debate has little or nothing to do with the “end of life counselling” and is totally about rationing care based upon a priority list like Oregon’s which places smoking cessation high on the list for funding, and second line cancer treatment at the bottom of the list.


5 posted on 08/24/2009 8:02:31 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: La Lydia

No, the obvious ‘secret’ is that the media can’t report on the details of this health care bill fiasco, because the details are devastatingly bad. So they’re deliberately being vague, hoping they can slide things through for the communists. Doesn’t seem to be working, however.


6 posted on 08/24/2009 8:03:24 AM PDT by raptor29
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To: ClearCase_guy

Let’s see. Trust Sarah Palin or trust the mainstream media.

Gee, I am having a hard time deciding.

/s/


7 posted on 08/24/2009 8:05:04 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: La Lydia

Despite continued contentions to the contrary, objective journalism, as with journalistic ethics, in this country is not only an oxymoron, it is virtually dead. All one has to do is view and/or read the daily journalistic contributions of the vast majority of the mainstream media concerning Barry, Obamacare, town halls, etc.


8 posted on 08/24/2009 8:05:06 AM PDT by cranked
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To: La Lydia

Perhaps journalists are no more trusted than politicians these days

Ya think?


9 posted on 08/24/2009 8:05:36 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: raptor29

Doesn’t seem to be working, and it’s driving them crazy.


10 posted on 08/24/2009 8:09:19 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
Perhaps journalists are no more trusted than politicians these days, or many folks never saw the knockdown stories.

We saw your effort.

We called you the vilest, filthiest words there are, you lying Marxist scum.

11 posted on 08/24/2009 8:10:05 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: La Lydia

Then what congress and the president should do is post the entire health care bill on a website and run TV ads directing people to the website. Then wait six months for people to read it and give their opinion. Then, if the American people vote on the govt takeover of health care, at least it wasn’t forced in under the cover of darkness.

I would like to see a return of the country doctor and patients paying as they go. Health insurance should be for the cataclysmic stuff - and govt could offer vouchers to help the poor.

Of course, the purpose for a govt run health industry is POWER. When the govt gets control of health care, every decision we make in life with have govt there making sure we think and do exactly the way they want us to.


12 posted on 08/24/2009 8:10:25 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: La Lydia
Good place to repost this AP gem from about a week ago:

In Belgrade, Mont., he opened with this comment: "Here in Montana you've got bears and moose and elk. In Washington, you have mostly bull. So this is a nice change of pace!"

Obama chuckled at the line. But he clearly was at his happiest when he shed his typical dark business-suit for casual wear — a light jacket for Yellowstone, a golf shirt for the Grand Canyon and hiking sneakers for both — and some quality time with his family.

The president was in jovial spirits from the moment he bounded up the Air Force One stairs at the start of his trip, mock-racing his youngest daughter to the top. He appeared to relish his role as a father as he treated the girls to ice cream at a Yellowstone general store and talked with them about different kinds of rocks above the Grand Canyon.

13 posted on 08/24/2009 8:11:09 AM PDT by hemogoblin (Obama - The Potentate of Parasites)
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To: Huskrrrr

Maybe, under Obamacare, the fawning white guilt media will get a full supply of viagra to overcome its impotence and irrelevance in this debate. They put everything they had into this Joker and it looks like they’ve crapped oput. I’m sure there is a corner in NY for the great Modo to work, I doubt it will pay better.


14 posted on 08/24/2009 8:11:59 AM PDT by easttennesseejohn
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To: easttennesseejohn

Should be interesting. Heh,heh.


15 posted on 08/24/2009 8:13:55 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: BertWheeler
Burt, the House bill, which is the root of what they are trying to do, has been posted for some time on the Library of Congress legislative website, Thomas, for anyone to read. The legislation is HR 3200. This link includes the original bill, and all amendments and deletions.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas

16 posted on 08/24/2009 8:14:03 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

The SRM has earned their current, disregarded status of the normal public. The public is reading the bill and they know what is in it. The SRM can’t shove their dem propoganda down the public’s throat.


17 posted on 08/24/2009 8:14:33 AM PDT by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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To: La Lydia

Journalists aren’t lisened to because they are NOT presenting “facts,” they are pitching PROPAGANDA!!! Get real, Mr. Kurtz! Finally, some — hopefully enough — of the American People are WAKING UP to your lies! GEEZ!


18 posted on 08/24/2009 8:19:01 AM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: hemogoblin

Hard-hitting journalists at the AP.


19 posted on 08/24/2009 8:20:42 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: raptor29
the media can’t report on the details of this health care bill fiasco, because the details are devastatingly bad.

That and most of them probably haven't even read the bill.

20 posted on 08/24/2009 8:20:43 AM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: patriot preacher

Yes, the mainstream journalists long ago broke faith with the American people. We no longer believe them, we see through them, and we have alternative ways of getting at the truth.


21 posted on 08/24/2009 8:22:05 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

“even when they report the facts, they have had trouble influencing public opinion.”

If only you would report the facts, public opinion would be influenced against the liberals and their horrible intentions.


22 posted on 08/24/2009 8:22:45 AM PDT by Iowamerican
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To: La Lydia

‘the former Alaska governor’s claim that government panels would make euthanasia decisions was clearly debunked...’

Debunked my shiny metal a$$.

Anytime you have ‘free’ health care, someone has to decide who gets it, as demand will always outstrip supply. It certainly happens in Canada and the UK, socialized medicine ‘utopias’.


23 posted on 08/24/2009 8:23:11 AM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: edge10
The problem is Mrs. Palin mis-identified the location of the "death panel" in the legislation. It is not in the end of life counseling section. It is located in Title IV, in the provisions that established the "Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission" to determine what medicine and treatments are effective enough, and, therefore, which the government will allow patients to receive and will allow to be paid for by "private" insurance. These determinations are to be based on the treatment or prescription being economically "effective," depending on whether the patient (or a category of patients) is deemed worth the expense because of age, potential productivity, health, and other factors. It mandates the creation of a commission like the UK's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, or NICE, which assigns a value to a year of life based on age, existing conditions, etc. If a procedure or treatment exceeds that value, you don't get the medicine, treatment or procedure.

Title IV of the House bill, HR 3200: TITLE IV—QUALITY 11 Subtitle A—Comparative Effectiveness Research SEC. 1401. COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) IN GENERAL.—title XI of the Social Security Act is amended by adding at the end the following new part: ‘‘PART D—COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ‘‘SEC. 1181. (a) CENTER FOR COMPARATIVE EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH ESTABLISHED..(goes on for pages)

Under this provision, you don't even get a personal visit to the "death panel." This commission will determine what treatment you may receive without ever looking at your individual case. Instead, you will be assigned to a cohort or a category, and the applicable limits applied to your care. If you don't qualify, you don't get the medicine or the treatment, and you die.

24 posted on 08/24/2009 8:26:10 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: MsLady

I knew the minute I heard the anti-smoking crap floating around there were bigger things they were after. We forget so soon Prohibition was the same way. The so called good telling the bad what not to do. liberals can KISS MY ASS.


25 posted on 08/24/2009 8:29:33 AM PDT by crazyotto
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To: La Lydia

Well . . . to quote the Demotivation poster titled “Propaganda”:

What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us is not nearly as important as what lies directly to our faces.”

As in the media.


26 posted on 08/24/2009 8:31:36 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: La Lydia
"While there is legitimate debate about the legislation's funding for voluntary end-of-life counseling sessions, the former Alaska governor's claim that government panels would make euthanasia decisions was clearly debunked"

0bummerCare will just use the Veterans Administration's "Go Kill Yourself" booklet instead.

27 posted on 08/24/2009 8:32:10 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (UPS and FEDEX are doing fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems. - 0bummer)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Oh gee, maybe Sarah got the idea from this: pg. 430 11-18 ‘‘(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may in clude indications respecting, among other items— ‘‘(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;

or maybe this: pg. 354 3 SEC. 1177. EXTENSION OF AUTHORITY OF SPECIAL NEEDS PLANS TO RESTRICT ENROLLMENT.

28 posted on 08/24/2009 8:37:14 AM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Grunthor

They forget we remember how they covered Clinton’s rear end during the reality of Monica Lewinsky. They print lies as truth, hoping the unwashed masses will believe their tripe. We have the internet now, You Tube catching the reality of statements, rather than their whitewashing those same statements. This is why they cannot reshape the debate, because the MSM tells lies as truth and we are now the truth detectors without their spin. We are not as dumb as they imagine us to be.


29 posted on 08/24/2009 8:41:03 AM PDT by Semperfiwife (Health "care" - by the same folks who run Amtrak and the post office)
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To: crazyotto

You got it!!! Government has been encroaching on our constitutional rights for many years. I think it’s just getting to the breaking point and enough is enough. I love my country, but, I hate where our government has gone.


30 posted on 08/24/2009 8:41:11 AM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: La Lydia
Howard better hope that there is a provision for a cure for a brown nose in Obamacare.
31 posted on 08/24/2009 8:47:30 AM PDT by madinmadtown (Nuclear...better to mispronounce it, than not understand it.)
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To: Grunthor

And they ended up ‘pulling the provision’.

So if it wasn’t there, why’d they pull it? Because while ‘death panels’ might not have been there in name, they were there in structure, such that a tweak to a panel’s mandate would arrive at the same thing.

The media’s dismayed at the fact that while we were stupid enough to elect a cypher, we aren’t stupid enough to buy everything he’s selling on its face.


32 posted on 08/24/2009 9:03:40 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: La Lydia

I gues the Cash for Caskets program is not working either.


33 posted on 08/24/2009 9:04:15 AM PDT by seawolf101
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To: La Lydia
The crackling, often angry debate over health-care reform has severely tested the media's ability to untangle a story of immense complexity...even when they report the facts, they have had trouble influencing public opinion.

There is the problem...they think it's their job to influence our opinion. Journalist should be objective and report the facts. period. People are able to form their own opinions (which often is opposite of the libs...which is why they make their job about influencing rather than reporting). I'm sick of elitist who think they know better than me.
34 posted on 08/24/2009 11:07:03 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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