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McCain: Health debate hurt by Kennedy's absence [praises Kennedy as "master negotiator"] [barf]
AP ^ | 2009-08-23

Posted on 08/23/2009 9:08:44 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Sen. John McCain says the absence of ailing Ted Kennedy in pushing health-care reform has made a "huge, huge difference" in whether legislation gets passed.

McCain praised Kennedy, a Democratic senator from Massachusetts, as a master negotiator who could bring together parties with different points of view and make the right concessions to reach agreement. McCain said health-care reform might be in a very different place today if Kennedy had been able to participate in the discussions.

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1 posted on 08/23/2009 9:08:44 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: lmarie373; Abundy; missanne; Victoria Delsoul; 50mm; stockpirate; Eaker; ducdriver; ChrisInAR; ...

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2 posted on 08/23/2009 9:09:55 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I think Red Ted’s “absence” is proof that God has not turned his back on America, yet.


3 posted on 08/23/2009 9:10:25 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: rabscuttle385
What's that pain I feel in my back? Oh, it's the McCain knife in there again.
4 posted on 08/23/2009 9:10:47 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: rabscuttle385

Only a complete fool would have anything to do with the democrat plan.

Then again McCain was created by the State Media to be the Designated Loser of the Stupid Party.


5 posted on 08/23/2009 9:11:37 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: rabscuttle385

And I voted for that idiot.


6 posted on 08/23/2009 9:11:52 AM PDT by donhunt ("If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." - Mario Andretti)
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To: TADSLOS; TigersEye; cripplecreek; DoughtyOne; AuntB

7 posted on 08/23/2009 9:12:10 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Seriously, Arizonans, what gives?! What in heck keeps you all voting for this guy? Yes, yes, I know what your border situation is, but you can do better.


8 posted on 08/23/2009 9:14:26 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (So how about, in honor of the American soldier, ya quit making things up? - Gov. Palin)
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To: rabscuttle385
a master negotiator who could bring together parties with different points of view and make the right concessions to reach agreement

And that would be a good thing?

9 posted on 08/23/2009 9:14:59 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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10 posted on 08/23/2009 9:19:06 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: rabscuttle385

11 posted on 08/23/2009 9:19:06 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: rabscuttle385

Republican Sen. John McCain says the absence of ailing Ted Kennedy in pushing health-care reform has made a “huge, huge difference” in whether legislation gets passed.
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Put both of these men out to pasture!


12 posted on 08/23/2009 9:20:15 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain said health-care reform might be in a very different place today if Kennedy had been able to participate in the discussions.

Well then we are fortunate that he WASN’T there....now aren’t we
“McCain=rolled over like a beached Whale Nov 4 2008”


13 posted on 08/23/2009 9:21:49 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: rabscuttle385

On the day of the election, we prayed, we did novenas, we fasted.

In our house, we prayed, “Please Lord, your will be done. And if it’s your will, let Obama lose.”

We were very sad when he won. My youngest daughter cried hysterically about all the unborn babies. Our Priest gave a homily to the kids at Catechism about “God’s Will” and how now our job is to pray for the enlightenment of our leaders. Honestly, I was angry. I felt that The Lord did not listen.

Now I know He did. If McCain had been president, he would have screwed it up and there would have never been another R for a good long time.

One of the FReepers has that tagline that says “It takes a Jimmy Carter to get a Ronald Reagan.” That is correct.


14 posted on 08/23/2009 9:21:54 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s crap statements like that why I consider McCain utterly unfit for leadership.


15 posted on 08/23/2009 9:22:44 AM PDT by A message (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days until Jim Thompson is President)
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To: Outlaw Woman

maybe this is a better structure of that sentence:

John a.k.a. “rolled over like a beached whale, Nov 4 2008” McCain


16 posted on 08/23/2009 9:24:50 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Cry me a river Juan. So McCain thinks all that’s missing is a negotiator to make universal healthcare acceptable to the American people. Please!

McCain has a head full of rocks. Kennedy might have been able to get McCain and the other rino’s to jump on, but this isn’t about D.C. This is about the American people saying no to socialized medicine.

Just another example of why McCain lost to Obama.


17 posted on 08/23/2009 9:27:11 AM PDT by NotSoModerate (Report dissenters to snitch@whitehouse.gov for a $4,500 tax credit)
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To: rabscuttle385

STEPHANOPOULOS: The president also says that the debate has been infected by falsehoods. And probably the most notorious one is the one made by your former running mate, Sarah Palin , who said that his bill would encourage death panels that would encourage euthanasia.

He called that “an extraordinary lie” and he is right about that, isn’t he?

MCCAIN: Well, I think that what we are talking about here is do — are we going to have groups that actually advise people as these decisions are made later in life and...

STEPHANOPOULOS: That’s not in the bill.

MCCAIN: But — it’s been taken out, but the way that it was written made it a little bit ambiguous. And another thing ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I don’t think that’s correct, Senator. The bill — all it said was that, if a patient wanted to have a Medicare consultation about end-of-life issues, they could have it at their request and the doctor would get reimbursed for it, no panel.

MCCAIN: There was a provision in the bill that talks about a board that would decide the most effective measures to provide health care for people, OK?

Now, we had amendments. We Republicans have said that in no way would that affect the decisions that the patients would have made and their families. That was rejected by the Democrats and the HELP Committee.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But that’s not a death panel.

MCCAIN: So what does — what does that lead to? Doesn’t that lead to a possibility, at least opens the door to a possibility of rationing and decisions made such are made in other countries?

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, every single independent group that looked at it said it just wasn’t true.

MCCAIN: Well, then why did the Democrats turn down our amendments that clarified that none of the decisions that would be made by this board would in any way affect the depriving of needed treatments for patients?

I don’t know why they did that then.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So you think Sarah Palin was right?

MCCAIN: Look, I don’t think they were called death panels, don’t get me wrong. I don’t think — but on the best treatment procedures part of the bill, it does open it up to decisions being made as far — that should be left — those choices left to the patient and the individual. That’s what I think is pretty clear, which was a different section of the bill.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You worked — have worked a lot with Senator Kennedy, on immigration and other matters. How much of a difference has it made that he hasn’t been part of this debate?

MCCAIN: Huge, huge difference. No person in that institution is indispensable, but Ted Kennedy comes as close to being indispensable as any individual I’ve ever known in the Senate, because he had a unique way of sitting down with the parties at a table and making the right concessions, which really are the essence of successful negotiations.

So it’s huge that he’s absent, not only because of my personal affection for him, but because I think that health care reform might be in a very different place today.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000003193712


18 posted on 08/23/2009 9:27:11 AM PDT by maggief
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To: SolidWood; Sarah Barracuda

#18


19 posted on 08/23/2009 9:28:38 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Idiot. Kennedy doesn’t negotiate. He skulks around behind the scenes looking for ways to get over on his opponensts. What Kennedy did behind the scenes of the Bork nomination in 1987 is a perfect example.

Kennedy prefers not to debate, not to negotiate because (as the infamous Roger Mudd interview showed) he can’t think on his feet. I give him credit for being ruthless and sneaky, but not for negotiation.


20 posted on 08/23/2009 9:28:50 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: rabscuttle385

Kennedy’s ‘debate’ would more resemble a drunken lecture to the stupid Americans who don’t support Socialized Medicine, hasn’t McCain paid attention all these years they’ve been together?


21 posted on 08/23/2009 9:30:20 AM PDT by Son House (President Øbama Turns His Back On The Oppressed During Their Darkest Hours)
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To: SoCalPol; Victoria Delsoul; cripplecreek; PennsylvaniaMom; KansasGirl; Perdogg; jla; ...

Ping to post #18.

McCain saying Palin is right, without having the balls to actually say it. Sheesh!


22 posted on 08/23/2009 9:30:36 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: rabscuttle385

And when asked where are thy fellow conservatives Cain I mean McCain said “AM I my brother’s keeper?”


23 posted on 08/23/2009 9:31:14 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: FormerACLUmember

Will someone please stand up and defeat this idiot in the AZ primary? No wonder we are in trouble with reps like McCaIn. He lost, the nation got Obamanation so now go away.


24 posted on 08/23/2009 9:34:10 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: rabscuttle385

McNitWit, you douchebag!


25 posted on 08/23/2009 9:34:19 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: rabscuttle385

Two peas in a pod.

Time for BOTH to retire . . . God’s taking care of one, the Voters in Arizona will have to take care of the other.


26 posted on 08/23/2009 9:36:03 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (At Thermopylae, 1 Million Persians lost 20 Thousand yet failed to disarm 300 Spartans. Molon Labe!)
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To: SolidWood
Notice how the subject is abruptly change to TK when McCane get close to making the point!
27 posted on 08/23/2009 9:36:06 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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Mary Jo was unavailable for comment.


28 posted on 08/23/2009 9:36:46 AM PDT by Jenny217
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To: SolidWood

Stephanopogus is an Obama ass kisser. WOW has anyone ever seen a reporter SO in love with a President. Yesterday he posted on his ABC blog how everyone must rally around Obama, and the comments section, it was 99-1 telling George to go F himself, it was AWESOME. Now as far as McCain goes, what else is knew, he stands up for Sarah, without really standing up for her. Now we know who had the balls on that ticket


29 posted on 08/23/2009 9:38:53 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: rabscuttle385
Be gone imperious leader of the flat skunks!
30 posted on 08/23/2009 9:39:15 AM PDT by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century US Congress when he wrote 1984)
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To: rabscuttle385

I really hate that man. GO TO HELL Juan McPain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 08/23/2009 9:41:17 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain, Udall to hold climate-change hearing in Estes Park Monday

Democratic Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado and Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona continue their odd-bed-fellows magical mystery tour over the August congressional break with a field hearing on climate change in Estes Park Monday.

Following their tandem trip to McCain’s home state this week to visit Grand Canyon National Park, Udall and McCain will convene a public hearing of the Energy and Natural Resources Subcommittee on National Parks at noon Monday at the Estes Park Town Hall to “discuss the impacts of climate change on Colorado’s parks,” according to a release from Udall’s office.

The two will first tour Rocky Mountain National Park to look for signs of global climate change.
(quite a challenge for two guys who couldn't find their arses with both hands)

(more at link)


32 posted on 08/23/2009 9:42:36 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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EXCERPTING the Rat tool’s death panel ‘questions:’

STEPHANOPOULOS: The president also says that the debate has been infected by falsehoods. And probably the most notorious one is the one made by your former running mate, Sarah Palin , who said that his bill would encourage death panels that would encourage euthanasia.

He called that “an extraordinary lie” and he is right about that, isn’t he?
...

STEPHANOPOULOS: That’s not in the bill.

...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I don’t think that’s correct, Senator. The bill — all it said was that, if a patient wanted to have a Medicare consultation about end-of-life issues, they could have it at their request and the doctor would get reimbursed for it, no panel.

...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But that’s not a death panel.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, every single independent group that looked at it said it just wasn’t true.


33 posted on 08/23/2009 9:44:01 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Thank you Maggie. That makes me feel a little better seeing the entire conversation.


34 posted on 08/23/2009 9:44:25 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: rabscuttle385
The more I see of McCain, the more I'm glad Bambi won. Can you imagine the Republicans trying to stand up to a guy from their own party on health care? The last election was the worst choice in my life time, including Carter/Ford. I had to drag my keester to the polls to vote for McCain, and I only did that because of Sarah.

Whenever I get too depressed about the Joker, I imagine what it would be like with Meghan floating in and out of the WH, admonishing Republicans to be more like the Dems. McCain could barely be civil to conservatives when he needed our votes.

If he'd won, we'd probably be looking at the Republicans losing 8 more seats in the Senate in 2010, and 25-30 in the House.

35 posted on 08/23/2009 9:47:13 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: rabscuttle385

LOSER


36 posted on 08/23/2009 9:47:24 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Question Marxist Authority)
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To: KarlInOhio

Everyone who voted for an “established big name” with zero principles (like McCain) in the primaries should be ashamed of themselves.

The Republicans nominating McCain was one of the dumbest things in the history of politics.

And yet, in 2012 some will say, “Romney has name recognition! Must nominate him!”

Making the same error all over again.


37 posted on 08/23/2009 9:48:45 AM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: mojitojoe

Not surprisingly, the AP left McCain’s “death panel” comments out of their report. I suppose due to the fact that his statements support Palin, indirectly.


38 posted on 08/23/2009 9:50:08 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Richard Kimball
The more I see of McCain, the more I'm glad Bambi won. Can you imagine the Republicans trying to stand up to a guy from their own party on health care?

McCain is also the foremost leader on "Climate Change" and Shamnesty.

39 posted on 08/23/2009 9:51:03 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: rabscuttle385

Everybody in AZ better vote against McCain even if a pinata is up against him.


40 posted on 08/23/2009 9:51:05 AM PDT by wastedyears (Genesis, Sega CD and Saturn work, and my 360 red rings after 2 and a half years.)
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To: maggief

I’m surprised George could talk with his lips so firmly on Obama’s backside. It’s amazing isn’t it, the lengths the media will go to protect this Marxist ass


41 posted on 08/23/2009 9:51:39 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: KarlInOhio
McCain is and always was 2-faced.

Sarah Palin is and always will be his biggest contribution to the USA!
42 posted on 08/23/2009 9:54:16 AM PDT by AKA Elena (St Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle -- and this is war!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Well, we all know Kennedy isn’t a master swimmer!!

Nor a master driver- especially of Oldsmobiles.


43 posted on 08/23/2009 9:55:30 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Democrats gave us Obama/Clinton; Republicans gave us Bush/McCane: to Hell with them both. Vote conservative of be damned.


44 posted on 08/23/2009 9:57:48 AM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: ridesthemiles

It will be interesting to think of Teddy trying to negotiate his way out of hell.
Doubt that he will have much luck. They will need to put his grave in a private cemetery so I can’t go and pee on it.


45 posted on 08/23/2009 9:59:12 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: rabscuttle385

As much effort Mc Cain expends in trying to convince Conservs he is “one of us”, is completely shown to be BS, with remarks like this.


46 posted on 08/23/2009 10:04:06 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

Sarah is right BTTT


47 posted on 08/23/2009 10:07:52 AM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin's mob minion - Mob Name: Hatman the Hitman)
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To: netmilsmom

We might not survive 4-8 years of Obama. If term limits are still intact.


48 posted on 08/23/2009 10:08:36 AM PDT by wastedyears (Genesis, Sega CD and Saturn work, and my 360 red rings after 2 and a half years.)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain thinks kennedy is a master negotiator. I think he’s a dissolute, unpunished killer.


49 posted on 08/23/2009 10:09:09 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: TigersEye

Yeah, it would have been like having a Democrat but the Republicans would get the blame.
Being a Republican president, he would have pretty much caucused with Pelosi and Reid, but pressured Republicans as “their” president.


50 posted on 08/23/2009 10:09:37 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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